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I thought it might be helpful to have a separate topic related to the vaccine.  If this is too much duplication, mods please delete this thread.  I thought it would be good to talk about who can get the vaccine, where they can get it, what side effects people are seeing, and in general what is going on with distribution.

The CDC has published vaccine distribution guidelines, and if you care, they are worth reading.  They are dividing the timeline into:

  • Phase 1 - Potentially limited supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses available
  • Phase 2 - Large number of vaccine doses available
  • Phase 3 - Sufficient supply of vaccine doses for entire population

Who you are will determine if you are eligible for a vaccine in the various phases.

Phase 1 is divided into a Phase 1a and a Phase 1b:

  • Phase 1a - Mostly healthcare workers
  • Phase 1b - Other essential workers, people with higher risks, people over 65

If you are eligible to get the vaccine and they have in in stock and you want to get it, it is important to go get it.  Both of the first two vaccines can spoil, so if a dose is sitting there and you aren't there to get it, they might have to throw it away.

Both vaccines require two shots.  It is important to go get that second shot.

Who fits in phase 1b and who has to wait until phase 2 might be a sticking point.  The "people in higher risks" category includes a lot of folks, maybe more than you would think might be in that category.  Hopefully we can quickly get to phase 2 so that we don't spend too long arguing about who is or is not in Phase 1b.

Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's experience with the vaccine and especially getting the word out for those that can go get it, so that every dose ends up in an arm rather than in the trash.

 

 

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midtown

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3,000 less cases yesterday than the day before per Bill McBride 

Storm the Field

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On 8/19/2021 at 12:57 PM, Storm the Field said:

As of today, 199.88M Americans have received at least one dose (72.5% of adults). We'll finally pass the 200M mark tomorrow. 169.6M are fully vaccinated (62.1%)

Top 5 (1+ dose over age 18): HI 86.4%, VT 86.1%, MA 85.9%, CT 84.1%, NJ 81.6%

Texas: 68.3%

Bottom 5: WY 54.1%, MS 54.8%, WV 55.4%, ID 56.9%, AL 57.7%

Yep.

 

Sawbonz

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20 hours ago, Telegraph_it said:

Fucking dammit. I have to travel to Stillwater for work next week. I guess I’ll get my third and fourth shot tomorrow just to be safe. 
 

@Sbbruin, possibly save me a spot on the floating pyre. 

Get some penicillin and Valtrex while you're at it. Can't be too careful

Anastasis

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1 hour ago, Storm the Field said:

Yep.

 

This is good.  Too late to really help, but better than nothing. 

FORTY NINE TO ZERO

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Just got my booster. 
 

after, I looked a the card and realized it’s only been seven months since the 2nd shot.  Am I going to get the 5G??

F250

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So has Delta peaked?

 

atomheartbevo

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1 minute ago, F250 said:

So has Delta peaked?

Around September 3rd, give or take a day.

JesusSweatDuck

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22 minutes ago, Xian said:

Just got my booster. 
 

after, I looked a the card and realized it’s only been seven months since the 2nd shot.  Am I going to get the 5G??

6G

Guest Lobo

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Guests

This is all too experimental, it was too rushed, too hasty...call me when the shot boosts up to 11G.

Brisketexan

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9 minutes ago, Lobo said:

This is all too experimental, it was too rushed, too hasty...call me when the shot boosts up to 11G.

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Guest Lobo

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Guests

Well yeah, but why don't you just take the 10G shot and have it be stronger, and have that be the top number?  

dcbc

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1 hour ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

6G

The G stands for gonads

Sawbonz

Certifiably Surly
2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Around September 3rd, give or take a day.

They’ve been dead on so far

 

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Murfdogg21

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Not reading 1000 pages…

If someone got their first two shots through some county deal like APH where they don’t inquire about your insurance or take any personal information outside of your name, DOB, and look at your drivers license, could you roll into H‑E‑B or CVS with your insurance and get #3 and #4 as if they were #1 and #2?

lmao

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10 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Not reading 1000 pages…

If someone got their first two shots through some county deal like APH where they don’t inquire about your insurance or take any personal information outside of your name, DOB, and look at your drivers license, could you roll into H‑E‑B or CVS with your insurance and get #3 and #4 as if they were #1 and #2?

Is this legal?

Sawbonz

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59 minutes ago, lmao said:

Is this legal?

Why wouldn’t it be

DDD Dad

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3,000 less cases yesterday than the day before per Bill McBride 

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DDD Dad

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Around September 3rd, give or take a day.

Delta peaked a week ago Wednesday. Did you not get the memo?

atomheartbevo

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15 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Delta peaked a week ago Wednesday. Did you not get the memo?

You said Wednesday and I said on a Friday.  We are both wrong, because it's always on a Tuesday.

 

dcar00

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1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Not reading 1000 pages…

If someone got their first two shots through some county deal like APH where they don’t inquire about your insurance or take any personal information outside of your name, DOB, and look at your drivers license, could you roll into H‑E‑B or CVS with your insurance and get #3 and #4 as if they were #1 and #2?

probably.  maybe you could just ask them for a drip you can take home.

Surly Bevo

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Delta will peak on Tuesday, it's always Tuesday.  Now which Tuesday you ask?  Ahh there's the rub.  

kevwun

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The first Tuesday in October according to the graph Sawbonz posted.

UTexasFight

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Around September 3rd, give or take a day.

Excellent.

I’m taking my first flight since September 2019 that day 

Liquor and Poker

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

If they read it’s safe and believe it, why call poison control?

It’s the apple flavor that gets you

Schulz2.0

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41 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

It’s the apple flavor that gets you

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Captainant

Burnt Ends
2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

You said Wednesday and I said on a Friday.  We are both wrong, because it's always on a Tuesday.

 

Tfw September 3 is in...

TWO WEEKS! 

ahhhh GIF

CleverNickname

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Pfizer full FDA approval Monday.  

Off label x to age 11 on Tuesday? Commercials starring Trumo family?

CooterBrown

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Off label x to age 11 on Tuesday?


Do you mean we may get under 12s approved on Tuesday?

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fluff

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Booster shot received. 

Jeffrey

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Been following this thread and enjoying the stupidity from some...unfortunately it's bled into my own circle.

Unvaxxed extended family update:

Cousins husband: died Tuesday. Was extremely overweight. 34 yrs old. Wife was vaccinated and is fine.

Wife's cousin: been in hospital 6 wks. Intubated currently. Not looking good.

Wife's other cousin: got covid, dealing with it at home. Taking ivermectin. Can't wait to see how this turns out.



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Loch Ness Monster

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4 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

Pfizer full FDA approval Monday.  

Off label x to age 11 on Tuesday? Commercials starring Trumo family?

New line from the anti-vax crowd is the government rushed the FDA approval. "Do you know most FDA approvals take five years?"

Pato del Muerto

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4 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

New line from the anti-vax crowd is the government rushed the FDA approval. "Do you know most FDA approvals take five years?"

Well do you know how much of that time is the documentation sitting in line?

WBT

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So they let the covid vaccines jump the line?  Huh, weird, I wonder why?

dcbc

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20 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Well do you know how much of that time is the documentation sitting in line?

as-stupid-as-they-appear-theyre-actually

Wulaw Horn

Burnt Ends
33 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Well do you know how much of that time is the documentation sitting in line?

I don’t but I’m curious. Do you know?  

Gatorubet

Certifiably Surly
New line from the anti-vax crowd is the government rushed the FDA approval. "Do you know most FDA approvals take five years?"

If only there was real life data from people who took the actual covid vaccine, and not a just a thousand people in some blind study…..

Brisketexan

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If only there was real life data from people who took the actual covid vaccine, and not a just a thousand people in some blind study…..

Man, we can dream I guess…

Actually, I understand the story is that all of us vaxxed people “will be dead within a year.” Guess the vaccine’s gonna make our heads explode or something.

Pato del Muerto

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(edited)
31 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I don’t but I’m curious. Do you know?  

This doesn’t exactly answer that, but it does give some interesting timeline data. 
 

https://www.fda.gov/media/97229/download

 

I will direct attention to the slide that shows drug discovery at several years and then clinicals at several more, as the vast majority of the timeline. We know that drug discovery was shortened considerably from both the technology available to sequence the virus and the focus on it. 
 

the IND and NDA review which is the fda’s role in all of this seems to be right in line with their expedited timelines. The only time compression I’m not sure on is the clinicals- I think they were allowed to either jump right to stage 3 or have very abbreviated stage 1 and 2. 

Edited by Pato del Muerto

ChuckNorrisActionJeans

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posted this in the wrong thread, sorry about the double post:

 

How should I balance the risk of my May-birthday 11-yr old boy growing a second head from getting a too "high" for his age dose of the Covid vaccine now, versus outcome from Covid due to waiting with thumbs up our asses for approval for under-12s? 

Sick of being sitting ducks here and spouse with J&J gimp shot getting no guidance from CDC or doctor other than to wait and see about booster.  

Liquor and Poker

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21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Man, we can dream I guess…

Actually, I understand the story is that all of us vaxxed people “will be dead within a year.” Guess the vaccine’s gonna make our heads explode or something.

Looks like that gives us 8-10 more months than the non vaxxed. 

Pato del Muerto

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(edited)

Here’s a link to a paper about non human primate studies, so that was done. 
 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2024671

 

and here’s mice. 
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-moderna-investigational-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promise-mouse-studies

mouse study finished in august 2020, nonhuman primate finished October 2020, then we started the human trials and had the EA a couple of months later. 
 

shit just went fast because we wanted it to. There were no financial driven delays, and no sitting in line. Nothing seems to have been skipped. 

Edited by Pato del Muerto

Neonmoon

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Why do drug studies and approval take a lot of time? It costs a shit ton of money, resources, and you do the steps sequentially. And yes, there is a long ass line for the FDA. Covid erased all those obstacles and they did all the steps concurrently. Saves a shit ton of time. Oh, we have unlimited resources, and every scientist in the world can help work on the solution. Yeah. Might speed things up. 

JesusSweatDuck

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Cross posting this, but a free antibody study ongoing through UT. They're studying vaccines and antibody levels. Testing locations all over.

 

I got the gimp J&J 5 moths ago but had a really strong reaction. I'll share my numbers when I get them

 

 

https://sph.uth.edu/projects/texascares/

CleverNickname

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(edited)
1 hour ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

posted this in the wrong thread, sorry about the double post:

 

 

How should I balance the risk of my May-birthday 11-yr old boy growing a second head from getting a too "high" for his age dose of the Covid vaccine now, versus outcome from Covid due to waiting with thumbs up our asses for approval for under-12s? 

Sick of being sitting ducks here and spouse with J&J gimp shot getting no guidance from CDC or doctor other than to wait and see about booster.  

One thought, and this relates to FDA approval... once there is adult pfizer approval, a doc can do "off label" use of a drug. I.e. perhaps give an adult 30ug shot to a child. Will many pediatricians do that? I have no idea. Liability concerns, naturally.  If you have 2 kids, maybe they could split a single 30ug dose (so 15 units, the 5-11 cohort study is 10ug) each. But my understanding is that could happen, completely legally, as soon as next week. 

Now, as someone who may know someone who had a 6th grader who is the same size and development as many other kids in the same grade technically a few months older... I bet there are tens of thousands of folks who have already done it. Maybe one of those folks would come clean to their pediatrician and see if they would provide a reduced child size dosage for the second shot. That's all theoretical mind you. I have heard, sample size of 1, no ill effects were noted after 1 shot.

Additionally, with FDA approval off-label use would let doc give a J&J based person get a pfizer or moderna.

Edited by CleverNickname

Txzen

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55 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Here’s a link to a paper about non human primate studies, so that was done. 
 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2024671

 

and here’s mice. 
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-moderna-investigational-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promise-mouse-studies

mouse study finished in august 2020, nonhuman primate finished October 2020, then we started the human trials and had the EA a couple of months later. 
 

shit just went fast because we wanted it to. There were no financial driven delays, and no sitting in line. Nothing seems to have been skipped. 

Mice are not normally considered a 'tox species'. Part of the preclinical data package in many instances, yes, but at least in oncology they are not used to show toxicity.

That said, according to the Pfizer EAU memo the non-clinical tox studies were repeat dose studies in rats. Additional studies 'to support safety and efficacy' were in rhesus macaques and mice (so what do I know).

fluff

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59 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Cross posting this, but a free antibody study ongoing through UT. They're studying vaccines and antibody levels. Testing locations all over.

 

I got the gimp J&J 5 moths ago but had a really strong reaction. I'll share my numbers when I get them

 

 

https://sph.uth.edu/projects/texascares/

I got mine, would be interested in comparing numbers with anyone else that got tested..

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