My old cowboy/rancher dad is the toughest sob I have ever seen. It's like he experiences pain differently than anyone else. He was in a helicopter crash that left the pilot dead and him stranded on a 10,000 acre ranch on foot some 45 miles to the closest ER in San Angelo. When he finally made it to the highway and then the hospital he calmly told the ER doctor that he had a concussion, broken collar bone and 3rd degree burns on the top of his head and hand where the avgas dripped on him after the crash and before the helicopter went up in flames. The dr confirmed his injuries and mused that he had never seen a patient diagnose himself and to be in such bad shape who was seemingly in no pain. This was in the late 70s and the treatment for the burns was to go in every few days to place pig skin over the burn wounds that would have to be scraped off next visit with a q-tip until the wound healed enough for skin grafts. This was the only time I have ever seen him really show pain, teeth gritted and shaking but still not crying out or anything. He did say that on his leg where they removed the skin for skin grafts was the most painful part, especially when he first stood up and the blood rushed to the areas. He said he nearly fainted from that. Do not want. Hell I saw him lose the top half of his thumb in a cattle squeeze chute when a cow swung her horn and mashed it against a pipe and even then he just kind of winced and then pulled off the rest of his dangling thumb off and finished working 50 more head of cattle. Burns are no joke.
He didn't mention the Shag but he did refer to him as the rock thrower and that he had like 200 911 calls reporting the "accidents". Jeff said he never opens his mail at work because it probably has ricin it it lol. He said Ed Clements brought it to him so he opened it for once and it was crazy txtow's screed.
I have an actual Kiowa buddy who grew up on a reservation. He tells me that half of the white dudes he has met claim to be 1/16th (not 1/4 as I said earlier) Cherokee. He assumes because they were deemed one of the most civilized (alphabet etc).