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#3455

Whipped by Rice’s front (UT OL) during the first half didn’t allow Texas to establish the running or passing game. It’s like they were going through the motions and “practice” was tougher than what they’d expect from Rice. That’s how teams lose to lower “caliber” teams, but look great vs good teams!

OL needs a kick in the ass prior to next weekend! If it weren’t for the Defense, this game would be more close than we want, as if it isn’t already!

Hook’em!!!

#3456

Really awful performance by this unit today. You do not go anywhere as a team if this unit continues to play like today.

#3457
47 minutes ago, Capn81 said:

Really awful performance by this unit today. You do not go anywhere as a team if this unit continues to play like today.

Yeah, I expected a lot better results from our o-line with Flood coaching.

Today was a real shitshow from OL

#3458
Yeah, I expected a lot better results from our o-line with Flood coaching.
Today was a real shitshow from OL

Same. Plenty of time to fix it before conference games start, but today was not good.
#3459
1 hour ago, Capn81 said:

Really awful performance by this unit today. You do not go anywhere as a team if this unit continues to play like today.

 

 

Yes it was, I don't know what the answer is but Rice was in our backfield from the start. I want to say 3 hurries, 1 tfl and a pressure on the first 2 drives?

#3460
1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, I expected a lot better results from our o-line with Flood coaching.

Today was a real shitshow from OL

OL seemed to change when Neto came in for Campbell. It is a small sample size, but he needs some more time on the field. 

#3461
4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

OL seemed to change when Neto came in for Campbell. It is a small sample size, but he needs some more time on the field. 

Yup. Campbell looked completely lost out there. Neto should starts

#3463

Posted elsewhere, but this is the first Texas OL that's gotten much positive preseason press, see above, in I don't know how long, 15 years?

Seems quite possible they had begun to believe their own bullshit.  Seemed to turn it up in the second some.

#3464

Rice came to play and they showed a lot of psuedo pressure. Lots of mental tricks from their front that gave our guys fits early and often. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Neto get even more run next week. Hopefully Campbell is healthy and understands how to pass protect better by next week. They absolutely must protect Quinn better than they did for much of today's game.

Edited by Atticus

#3465

Tough day. Campbell was getting pushed back in pass pro enough for me to notice. Wasn't expecting that. 

If this unit can't impose its will on Rice, it doesn't bode well for Tuscaloosa next Saturday. Hope they get their shit together. 

#3466
35 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Rice came to play and they showed a lot of psuedo pressure. Lots of mental tricks from their front that gave our guys fits early and often. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Neto get even more run next week. Hopefully Campbell is healthy and understands how to pass protect better by next week. They absolutely must protect Quinn better than they did for much of today's game.

Feel like everyone is going to borrow that Aranda game plan, until the prove they handle it 

#3468

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

#3469
11 hours ago, Coach pop a bitch said:

I know its one start in his young career but damn did Campbell look awful.  I have big hopes for him but it was bad. Hell even banks looked lost

Yeah I was surprised by the mistakes of Banks on a few plays.

#3470
On 9/1/2023 at 8:07 PM, Coach pop a bitch said:

Vs bama last year the rb pass blocking was superb.  Dont think these rbs are half the pass blockers Bijan and RJ were.

Baxter has been mentioned as a decent blocker in pass pro... hated to see him get injured yesterday.  

#3471
6 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

Sark and adjust in the same sentence? Wasting 1st down against Bama is going to get Quinn's head taken off. Then all those wanting Murphy may get it sooner than anticipated.

#3472
On 7/20/2023 at 6:15 AM, LTtxfan said:

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  1. michigan
  2. jawja
  3. beavers (oregonSt)
  4. bama
  5. trojans
  6. fightin' irish
  7. Texas
  8. geaux tigers
  9. aggy
  10. florida state

 

7. TEXAS LONGHORNS

Texas is the only school on this list that returns all five starters from a year ago. However, it was a unit that finished just 73rd in the country last season in PFF grade (61.6), so improvements are needed.

There are bright spots, though, particularly at offensive tackle. Kelvin Banks Jr. is a top-10 tackle in the country and was stellar as a true freshman in 2022. His 3.5% pressure rate allowed on true pass sets ranked sixth among Power Five tackles. Christian Jones will once again start on the right side and finished third among Big 12 tackles last year with a 2.7% pressure rate allowed.

Jake Majors is entering his third season as the Longhorns’ starting center and was seventh among Power Five ones last year with an 81.9 pass-blocking grade. The weakness of this group is at guard, as both Hayden Conner and Cole Hutson earned sub-55.0 grades in 2022. Hutson was just a true freshman, to be fair. If he and Conner don’t take a leap, though, Texas could turn to DJ Campbell, a five-star recruit in the 2022 class who earned an 83.1 pass-blocking grade on limited snaps last season.

 

So impressed by what I saw from Kelvin Banks Jr. this season. The 5️⃣⭐️ freshman looked ready-made as a pass-protector from Day 1. Here were a couple reps I liked from when he went against Will Anderson Jr. in his second-ever(!) collegiate game.pic.twitter.com/Ms58EtnkUH

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-top-10-offensive-lines-2023

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#3473
18 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

I agree with a lot of your points, but

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#3475
3 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

QE needs a clean pocket to run through progressions; as posted by someone else (take credit if you're reading) the 4th dimension unlocked for McCoy between 08 and 09 and he was accurate on the move and in a dirty pocket while reading his options.

QE is not there yet, or has not shown he is there yet, as he still lacks accuracy deep on throws that have to be placed, even when stationary with a clean pocket.

Sorry of the QE diversion, for me watching from home the game was won by the OL in the 3rd quarter when clearly there was a dramatic 100% improvement in the OL and QE was able to matriculate 3 TDs in a row.

 

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#3476
According to @PFF_College, Kelvin Banks’ pass blocking grade was 89.2 while Christian Jones posted a mark of 86.1.

 

#3479
5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

QE needs a clean pocket to run through progressions; as posted by someone else (take credit if you're reading) the 4th dimension unlocked for McCoy between 08 and 09 and he was accurate on the move and in a dirty pocket while reading his options.

QE is not there yet, or has not shown he is there yet, as he still lacks accuracy deep on throws that have to be placed, even when stationary with a clean pocket.

Sorry of the QE diversion, for me watching from home the game was won by the OL in the 3rd quarter when clearly there was a dramatic 100% improvement in the OL and QE was able to matriculate 3 TDs in a row.

 

QE also has to work on converting some off-script plays with WRs.  Evade rush and make some good throws.  This offense needs Quinn to sustain more drives.

Colorado and usc QBs are great at making plays to move the chains, when the original play breaks down.   

#3480
Cole Hutson was out with a minor injury.
 
Lineup should now be Neto to LG. DJ, Connor, Hutson to duke out for RG.

So Connor goes from starter to duking it out at a different position whereas the backup goes to starter without question?
Anyone have the PFF grades from this game?

Ask @HenryJames
#3481
59 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

QE also has to work on converting some off-script plays with WRs.  Evade rush and make some good throws.  This offense needs Quinn to sustain more drives.

Colorado and usc QBs are great at making plays to move the chains, when the original play breaks down.   

I watched that Colorado game. I think the RB had over 100 yards of YAC alone. They didn’t hit a lot of balls down the field. Colorado shredded TCU underneath. The offense mostly stayed on schedule. Like to see Sark emphasize efficiency over explosive in the passing game, until Quinn and the OL grow up 

#3482
50 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I watched that Colorado game. I think the RB had over 100 yards of YAC alone. They didn’t hit a lot of balls down the field. Colorado shredded TCU underneath. The offense mostly stayed on schedule. Like to see Sark emphasize efficiency over explosive in the passing game, until Quinn and the OL grow up 

Agree... gotta get the guards playing better.

 

Such bullshit... C'mon Flood !!!

#3483

Scipio Tex

Offensive Line

Interior OL play remains a work in progress and parts of this unit certainly didn’t exhibit the motor, cohesion and decisiveness expected. Here’s a compilation of Jaydon Blue runs. Watch No. 76 Hayden Conner (he plays both LG and some RG at the end when we bring in Neto Umeozulu).

Jaydon Blue every rush to hold you off until the full game video gets done processing.@Jaydonblue23 was slept on and IS THAT MAN! 🤧

How would you describe #76’s pad level on these run plays? Overall effort level? Is he delivering blows or receiving the defender on run blocks? How many times does he make initial contact and then either pull up or have the defender slide off immediately? How many blocks did he finish? How many plays end with him watching the RB or on the ground? How did he look on the pull? When covered up by a DL, does he get push or hope to stalemate? Is this player improved from last year? That’s just a representative sample across multiple runs, not lowlights per se. For what’s it’s worth, he pass blocked pretty well except for one miscue. You can also expand your view beyond guard and note overall line play. Who is moving defenders and trying to impose their will? Who is stalemating and hoping the runner does something great?

DJ Campbell too often played with indecision that robbed him of aggression and rendered him less than effective on passing downs. He gave up multiple pressures and a sack. He was better on run downs, though the promised road grading didn’t show up. As I’ve cautioned every time he has been brought up in the offseason, interior offensive linemen who give up free runs at the QB can’t be played long term, no matter their 5 star status. DJ is very inexperienced, so some time must be given for him to level up before moving him out.

On the interior OL, the coaches also have to choose from the best of imperfect options and try to coach ’em up. There is no panacea. Kelvin Banks and Christian Jones played well overall. While I can call out some individual player gaffes, the larger responsibility for the line being able to handle stunts, show technique and killer instinct and exhibit pad levels lower than the upper deck rests on Kyle Flood.   I hope his pupils show better coordination in Tuscaloosa, aided by the game plan. As an aside, Rice’s #55 De’Braylon Carroll is a 5-11, 285 pound baller and they had a few guys up front who were relatively capable and played hard.

#3484
1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Scipio Tex

Offensive Line

Interior OL play remains a work in progress and parts of this unit certainly didn’t exhibit the motor, cohesion and decisiveness expected. Here’s a compilation of Jaydon Blue runs. Watch No. 76 Hayden Conner (he plays both LG and some RG at the end when we bring in Neto Umeozulu).

Jaydon Blue every rush to hold you off until the full game video gets done processing.@Jaydonblue23 was slept on and IS THAT MAN! 🤧

How would you describe #76’s pad level on these run plays? Overall effort level? Is he delivering blows or receiving the defender on run blocks? How many times does he make initial contact and then either pull up or have the defender slide off immediately? How many blocks did he finish? How many plays end with him watching the RB or on the ground? How did he look on the pull? When covered up by a DL, does he get push or hope to stalemate? Is this player improved from last year? That’s just a representative sample across multiple runs, not lowlights per se. For what’s it’s worth, he pass blocked pretty well except for one miscue. You can also expand your view beyond guard and note overall line play. Who is moving defenders and trying to impose their will? Who is stalemating and hoping the runner does something great?

DJ Campbell too often played with indecision that robbed him of aggression and rendered him less than effective on passing downs. He gave up multiple pressures and a sack. He was better on run downs, though the promised road grading didn’t show up. As I’ve cautioned every time he has been brought up in the offseason, interior offensive linemen who give up free runs at the QB can’t be played long term, no matter their 5 star status. DJ is very inexperienced, so some time must be given for him to level up before moving him out.

On the interior OL, the coaches also have to choose from the best of imperfect options and try to coach ’em up. There is no panacea. Kelvin Banks and Christian Jones played well overall. While I can call out some individual player gaffes, the larger responsibility for the line being able to handle stunts, show technique and killer instinct and exhibit pad levels lower than the upper deck rests on Kyle Flood.   I hope his pupils show better coordination in Tuscaloosa, aided by the game plan. As an aside, Rice’s #55 De’Braylon Carroll is a 5-11, 285 pound baller and they had a few guys up front who were relatively capable and played hard.

The last play for Campbell in that video was at the :39 mark (3Q 3:33 3rd and 3…had fun typing this). He gets rolled up. Was he injured, or did he get pulled for suckage?

Edited by ImissWallyPryor
Lots of 3s

#3485
12 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

The last play for Campbell in that video was at the :39 mark (3Q 3:33 3rd and 3…had fun typing this). He gets rolled up. Was he injured, or did he get pulled for suckage?

He was laying on the field for a few minutes and then hobbled off.  Gerry said he was limping after the game. 

#3487
45 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

He was laying on the field for a few minutes and then hobbled off.  Gerry said he was limping after the game. 

Glad I was paying attention! 

#3488
17 hours ago, Had Enough said:


So Connor goes from starter to duking it out at a different position whereas the backup goes to starter without question?

Yes.

#3490
18 hours ago, Had Enough said:


So Connor goes from starter to duking it out at a different position whereas the backup goes to starter without question?
Ask @HenryJames

It’s going to be interesting to see the depth chart for Bama at Guard. Neto was the best on the day, with the caveat he came in later vs a more tired defense.  Connor and Campbell were straight up poor. Campbell is in a boot. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2 new starters for Bama, health permitting on Hutson. 

#3492
Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

For starting as many games as he has Jake Majors looked like shit Saturday.

He can turn people but he can't push anybody.  He had a few good plays in the run game where he turned people.  But he also had his usual handful of plays where he got shoved into the backfield.   It's just always going to be a limitation of the run game with him at center.  

#3493
5 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

He can turn people but he can't push anybody.  He had a few good plays in the run game where he turned people.  But he also had his usual handful of plays where he got shoved into the backfield.   It's just always going to be a limitation of the run game with him at center.  

Connor is in that group also. He doesn’t move people. Campbell struggled also, but I think that was more about him playing his 1st game. We have seen him move people before. Majors is never going to be a road grader. He can be adequate, but his weakness is magnified when you put a guard next him with the same struggles. 

#3494
2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Connor is in that group also. He doesn’t move people. Campbell struggled also, but I think that was more about him playing his 1st game. We have seen him move people before. Majors is never going to be a road grader. He can be adequate, but his weakness is magnified when you put a guard next him with the same struggles. 

I notice when Connor pulls a lot he just gets stonewalled like half the time.

Depending on how hurt Hutson is the move for Bama may be Banks - Neto - Majors - Campbell/Conner - Jones

Edited by BurntOrange&White

#3495

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Talkin' Ball: Offensive Line | Evaluating OL Against Alabama | On Texas Football | Brandon Baker

#3499

It is beyond ridiculous we can't have a competent OLine.  how the fuck does Kyle Flood still have a job if this is what his coaching gives us?

#3500
11 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Scipio Tex

Offensive Line

Interior OL play remains a work in progress and parts of this unit certainly didn’t exhibit the motor, cohesion and decisiveness expected. Here’s a compilation of Jaydon Blue runs. Watch No. 76 Hayden Conner (he plays both LG and some RG at the end when we bring in Neto Umeozulu).

Jaydon Blue every rush to hold you off until the full game video gets done processing.@Jaydonblue23 was slept on and IS THAT MAN! 🤧

How would you describe #76’s pad level on these run plays? Overall effort level? Is he delivering blows or receiving the defender on run blocks? How many times does he make initial contact and then either pull up or have the defender slide off immediately? How many blocks did he finish? How many plays end with him watching the RB or on the ground? How did he look on the pull? When covered up by a DL, does he get push or hope to stalemate? Is this player improved from last year? That’s just a representative sample across multiple runs, not lowlights per se. For what’s it’s worth, he pass blocked pretty well except for one miscue. You can also expand your view beyond guard and note overall line play. Who is moving defenders and trying to impose their will? Who is stalemating and hoping the runner does something great?

DJ Campbell too often played with indecision that robbed him of aggression and rendered him less than effective on passing downs. He gave up multiple pressures and a sack. He was better on run downs, though the promised road grading didn’t show up. As I’ve cautioned every time he has been brought up in the offseason, interior offensive linemen who give up free runs at the QB can’t be played long term, no matter their 5 star status. DJ is very inexperienced, so some time must be given for him to level up before moving him out.

On the interior OL, the coaches also have to choose from the best of imperfect options and try to coach ’em up. There is no panacea. Kelvin Banks and Christian Jones played well overall. While I can call out some individual player gaffes, the larger responsibility for the line being able to handle stunts, show technique and killer instinct and exhibit pad levels lower than the upper deck rests on Kyle Flood.   I hope his pupils show better coordination in Tuscaloosa, aided by the game plan. As an aside, Rice’s #55 De’Braylon Carroll is a 5-11, 285 pound baller and they had a few guys up front who were relatively capable and played hard.

just watch the guards on the 3rd play, then throw up and try to watch anymore

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