July 12, 20187 yr Author Unless a miracle happens, the birds finish 3rd at best in the division and don't sniff the post season. Has to end t-balls time as manager. Who do they hire?
July 13, 20187 yr On 7/12/2018 at 8:52 AM, pops said: Unless a miracle happens, the birds finish 3rd at best in the division and don't sniff the post season. Has to end t-balls time as manager. Who do they hire? Probably just swap Mabry and Matheny. That sounds about right.
July 14, 20187 yr Author Can we just fire him now. This is a fucking joke. Worst fucking team in baseball mud holing you at your own place. Fuck me.
July 15, 20187 yr On 7/13/2018 at 9:58 PM, pops said: Can we just fire him now. This is a fucking joke. Worst fucking team in baseball mud holing you at your own place. Fuck me. Wish granted.
July 15, 20187 yr 2 minutes ago, pops said: Curlybill.gif Just saw it. About fucking time. Too bad Mabry wasn’t sent with him. Well, I stand corrected. Mabry gone too. Edited July 15, 20187 yr by You don't know me
July 15, 20187 yr I intentionally didn't say I thought we needed to take 4 of these 5 games before the break, but that's what I thought was necessary, just based on the level of competition. So far they're 1-3. Christ. See ya', Matheny. Thanks for the World Series title, it was magical, but you just couldn't sustain.
July 15, 20187 yr Author 2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: I intentionally didn't say I thought we needed to take 4 of these 5 games before the break, but that's what I thought was necessary, just based on the level of competition. So far they're 1-3. Christ. See ya', Matheny. Thanks for the World Series title, it was magical, but you just couldn't sustain. Don't give that fraud more credit than he deserves. LaRussa won in 11. Matheny got them there in 13 but couldn't handle Boston.
July 15, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, pops said: Don't give that fraud more credit than he deserves. LaRussa won in 11. Matheny got them there in 13 but couldn't handle Boston. Eh, I'm just a softie.
July 15, 20187 yr 13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Eh, I'm just a softie. Then be happy that he has millions in the bank and can get back to coaching at a more appropriate level. I am sure there is some t-ball team that would have him.
July 16, 20187 yr I've had the weekend to digest this and have really only got myself pissed off even more. It was time for Matheny and his BFF to go, that's for sure. The blame for the sorry state of this franchise should not be laid entirely at Matheny's feet, though. This is the first time that this ownership group has fired a manager mid-season. Think about that for a second. I think that this is Mo and possibly Girsch going into preservation mode. If the firing had waited until the end of the season, then Mo and Girsch would have likely been fired too. However, since they did it now and named in interim manager, the people that are responsible for this clusterfuck of a roster have bought themselves at least another year. If Shildt is somehow able to put the dumpster fire out (finish above .500 for the second half would be deemed a success by an interim manager), they they can say "see, the roster that we put together was good enough". They will then look for a new manager and possibly make a run at Girardi. If Shildt is not successful, then they'll simply point at him and say "he just wasn't ready". If Shildt pulls a rabbit out of his hat, then they still retain their jobs and Shildt gets the interim tag pulled. Mo at a minimum and possibly Girsch should have been shitcanned along with Matheny and his BFF. The timing of this just reeks of self-preservation.
July 16, 20187 yr I tend to agree that the front office is showing signs of dementia. I fear this is the end of the run for this franchise. (I know, it's not like they've been getting to the postseason or anything.) The type of change needed at this point is nearly wholesale, top down. Just look at some of the statements made by the front office regarding the alleged feud between Hicks and Norris. "Ineffectual leadership" doesn't begin to describe it.
July 16, 20187 yr I'm getting that awful "end of the 60's" smell when Bing Devine had a fire sale and got rid of almost all of the stars. And we know how the 70's went...
July 16, 20187 yr I don't think that we're looking at anything quite as bad as the 70s. The farm system is actually very solid. They are stacked with arms. I think that they just need to build a team for defense and pitching rather than going out and trying to get a bunch of hitters. The problem is that they have shitty defense. Hell, what do I know. Maybe we are heading into a 70s type run.
July 16, 20187 yr 41 minutes ago, You don't know me said: I don't think that we're looking at anything quite as bad as the 70s. The farm system is actually very solid. They are stacked with arms. I think that they just need to build a team for defense and pitching rather than going out and trying to get a bunch of hitters. The problem is that they have shitty defense. Hell, what do I know. Maybe we are heading into a 70s type run. Yeah agreed. The farm system is very solid and there is too much talent/assets to get like a 70s type swoon or even like a late 80s/early 90s swoon when the Buschs stopped caring before DeWitt took over and hired TLR. The very fact that they are getting rid of a manager that has a better winning % as a Cardinal than either TLR or Whitey (true!) shows that ownership/management is engaged and knows the team/organization is capable of more. Hell it's not like the wheels have completely come off... look at the Mets this year or like the Giants last year... the situation isn't anywhere near something like that. Matheny is a good manager... he's just not a championship manager.
July 17, 20187 yr Author They fucked up when they didn't hire maddon when they hired matheny. It would have taken a cold beer and a shiny nickle to get him out of Tampa to come home to his childhood team. I don't think we are looking at a 70s or 90s malaise because there is talent in the pipeline but DeWitt needs to decide if he wants another ring or if he's happy just making gobs of money off one of the most loyal fanbases in the game.
July 18, 20187 yr On 7/16/2018 at 11:04 PM, pops said: They fucked up when they didn't hire maddon when they hired matheny. It would have taken a cold beer and a shiny nickle to get him out of Tampa to come home to his childhood team. I don't think we are looking at a 70s or 90s malaise because there is talent in the pipeline but DeWitt needs to decide if he wants another ring or if he's happy just making gobs of money off one of the most loyal fanbases in the game. Actually I think the fuck up was not hiring Terry Francona. IIRC, he actually did interview for the job, and it came down to him and Matheny and they chose Matheny. I don't recall Maddon ever being in the running/being considered, although in hindsight he certainly should have been.
July 20, 20187 yr I thought they should have gone after Manny. They haven’t been among the last choices for high profile guys in the last few years. For a while it seemed as though it was NYY, Sox and Cards are in the discussions.
July 21, 20187 yr Author 6 hours ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said: Used up at least 10 games worth of runs today. But couldn't be better.
July 24, 20187 yr Author I don't think you take away a guy's shot at a no hitter through seven. Pitch count be damned. Deserve to lose.
July 25, 20187 yr I don't think you take away a guy's shot at a no hitter through seven. Pitch count be damned. Deserve to lose. Yeah, I am pretty much with you. I also would add that a major league debut only happens one time for a player. I would have left him in. That being said, I wasn't watching the game so I don't know how he was looking at that point. I did hear this morning that he was laboring in the 6th and 7th innings.
July 25, 20187 yr Gomber was in the same position last night and they kept him in too long. Well, that and the "malfunctioning" fire alarm.
July 28, 20187 yr It was a good move to DFA Holland and Lyons. I hated seeing them trade Tuivailala, but the move makes sense.
August 1, 20187 yr I am not sure that I understand the moves yesterday. It seems like we got a lot of average minor leaguers yesterday, so I am not sure how this bolstered us today or in the future.
August 1, 20187 yr Author 2 hours ago, Capn81 said: I am not sure that I understand the moves yesterday. It seems like we got a lot of average minor leaguers yesterday, so I am not sure how this bolstered us today or in the future. Scary thing is, I don't think Mo knows either. It's like they just made a move to make a move. Really feels like DeWitt is just printing money and until things get really bad he doesn't give a shit.
August 1, 20187 yr I totally get the Pham move. He's 30 and heading into an arbitration year next off season. He was really the only outfielder with any trade value at all besides Bader and O'Neill, and I wouldn't want to get rid of either of them. I think they have like 5 rookies that they brought up into the bullpen, so they had to replenish the minor pitching staffs. So, Pham leaving gets some pitchers that they need in the minors and it gets O'Neill up to STL. Makes sense to me.
August 13, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said: What are we doing here? Are we making a WC run under new management? LOL. It's a head fake.
August 13, 20187 yr Making a run would be nice. Good to see the youth getting some reps, but I am not sure our staring pitching can get us to the last Wild Card spot over the last 6 weeks or so. Big series starting for us.
August 14, 20187 yr Huge win last night. Good to see the boys battle back, and then not fold at the end.
August 14, 20187 yr Historically, 87 wins is the minimum needed to get a WC berth (expanded format). That would imply going 23 of 43 from here out, which is essentially status quo. (Of course, "status quo" benefits greatly from this 6 game winning streak.) I remain skeptical.
August 18, 20187 yr Author Mind bottling how much better essentially the same group of guys are playing since the manager switch. Fuck you matheny.
August 21, 20187 yr On 8/18/2018 at 11:01 AM, pops said: Mind bottling how much better essentially the same group of guys are playing since the manager switch. Fuck you matheny. Yep. Best record in baseball since the switch. It's funny how having a consistent lineup and playing the best players instead of the ones that you personally like the most can make a team better. Oh and also understanding how to actually use a bullpen.
August 21, 20187 yr Author 10 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said: Yep. Best record in baseball since the switch. It's funny how having a consistent lineup and playing the best players instead of the ones that you personally like the most can make a team better. Oh and also understanding how to actually use a bullpen. Last night was a perfect example. Matheny would have fucked up the bellpen so badly in that situation. No way he manages the team to a win.
August 21, 20187 yr Yep, seems like my giving up on them earlier this year could be a healthy serving of crow. I'm ready to wolf some down. Nice to see them play like this, even if odds are long that they would get too far in the playoffs. But they're hot now, so who knows? Edited August 21, 20187 yr by phdhorn
August 21, 20187 yr It is odd that I actually enjoy watching the team now. It has been a few years since I sat down to catch this many games in a row.
August 21, 20187 yr The Cards claimed Matt Adams on the waiver wire. Big City back in the 'Lou. Hope he gets a chance to destroy Clayton Kershaw's soul again. I do really like this move... a nice LH power bat to come off the bench.
August 21, 20187 yr Author I'm probably biased because I couldn't stand matheny, but it sure looks like the guys are just having more fun out there. Obviously winning feels better than losing, but still.
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