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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

Are we likely to get a verdict today?  I have shit to do but this trial has sucked me in.

At some point, I would expect financial-type experts to come in with some sort of quantification of the numbers, and I'd expect that to take most of a day.  But maybe not.

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm a little unclear here.  So, he produced an entire image of Jones' cell phone?  Assuming that was within the scope of requests for production, there's nothing wrong with that.  Jones may not like it, but there may not be much basis for withholding it.

I could see that the phone image might contain attorney-client privileged info and that could be a big issue.  But, like you said, opposing counsel has some obligation to notify producing counsel that there may be privileged stuff and he may want to move the court to claw it back on the basis of inadvertent production.

And, it's all more or less moot if opposing counsel isn't using it, although what constitutes "using" it may be a debate.  It doesn't just mean introducing it as evidence at trial, it could be used for more subtle purposes, like formulating questions.

I think plaintiff counsel said he notified defense counsel, but defense counsel never got back to him about clawing stuff back.  I think the failure to respond, assuming there was privileged information on the phone, is likely an ethical violation.  But unless he retains Sidney Powell I can't imagine a legal malpractice suit.  We would have won the trial, despite my client's repeated purjuring of himself and calling the jurors names, if only his lawyer kept violating the law by withholding discovery from the other side, isn't a great argument.

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

At some point, I would expect financial-type experts to come in with some sort of quantification of the numbers, and I'd expect that to take most of a day.  But maybe not.

I don’t think so. Judge is reading the charge now, followed by closing.

Just now, lemonlime said:

I think plaintiff counsel said he notified defense counsel, but defense counsel never got back to him about clawing stuff back.  I think the failure to respond, assuming there was privileged information on the phone, is likely an ethical violation.  But unless he retains Sidney Powell I can't imagine a legal malpractice suit.  We would have won the trial, despite my client's repeated purjuring of himself and calling the jurors names, if only his lawyer kept violating the law by withholding discovery from the other side, isn't a great argument.

Yeah, that may be "negligence in the air." 

One of the benefits, for trial types, of criminal practice is that it tends to be far less paper-intensive than civil litigation, and that includes things like producing phone images and privilege logs and things of that nature.

But a corollary to it is that criminal defense lawyers can be lousy with the paperwork.

This might not have even happened under Reynal's watch, though.  

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don’t think so. Judge is reading the charge now, followed by closing.

Oh, alright.  Well then.  Proof of damages for "dignitary" torts like defamation and IIED elude me.

Did they put on evidence of counseling bills or expenditures to correct misinformation?

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh, alright.  Well then.  Proof of damages for "dignitary" torts like defamation and IIED elude me.

In the same boat. I have a commercial practice that usually doesn’t involve tort claims with accompanying punitive damages. I’ve only had to draft one jury charge that included punitives and the trial judge tossed the punitives question on no evidence grounds before submitting the charge to the jury, and that was over a decade ago. 

What an embarrassment to our educational system and species in general that so many people spend so much money falling for Alex Jones.

1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

What an embarrassment to our educational system and species in general that so many people spend so much money falling for Alex Jones.

It ain't a new phenomenon....

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2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Jones failed to turn over text messages, says there weren't any regarding sandy hook.  Plantiff recently received complete image of Jones' phone, it's full of sandy hook texts. 

 

2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Says defense lawyer sent it over by mistake, it wasn't marked "privileged" anywhere. 

Proof of perjury, IMO. 

This is one of the greatest court room gotchas I've seen. Trump's missteps and foot in mouth are legenday but all were in depo.

Jones didn't lose his footing in the 2 minute clipped I watched but he was all over the place. "No I didn't know I gave you that info" and later "see I complied with discovery!"

"Do you recall saying under oath that you had no texts on your phone related to Sandy Hook?" "Uh uh uhhhhh..."

The J6 Committee will be requesting trial evidence from the plaintiff attorney any minute now.

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27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It ain't a new phenomenon....

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Sure, but they didn't know any better. We now have the breadth of human knowledge in our pockets at all times. You can read everything about Alex Jones in 2 minutes if you were in a coma for the last 30 years and you'd know that he's a fraudster. 

The plaintiff closer could be a better speaker with a more efficient presentation. Maybe it's the sound over Zoom, but he seems repetitive and he doesn't know how to pause to punctuate a point.

I doubt this impacts the jury's decision. Just surprising to someone who doesn't see much courtroom argument and oratory.

Plaintiffs’ initial closing was pretty comprehensive and well-organized. Can’t wait to see what Reynal has to say.

59 minutes ago, South Austin said:

In the same boat. I have a commercial practice that usually doesn’t involve tort claims with accompanying punitive damages. I’ve only had to draft one jury charge that included punitives and the trial judge tossed the punitives question on no evidence grounds before submitting the charge to the jury, and that was over a decade ago. 

I would think, although again I'm not in TX so maybe it's different there, but practiced med mal defense, the IIED damages would be (1) bills for psychiatric treatment, therapy, etc., (2) ancillary losses such as lost wages if couldn't work because too upset, maybe for security due to Jones' sycophants harassing them, etc., and then (3) pain and suffering damages, which would be amorphous, and based on what the jury thinks is appropriate based on the plaintiffs' testimony about their suffering.

I'm still confused on the punitives aspect, though, as I've only ever seen that as part of a bifurcated trial, and would need economic expert testimony about Jones' assets, revenues, etc.

What an embarrassment to our educational system and species in general that so many people spend so much money falling for Alex Jones.

I just saw a piece of shit Toyota with a "the media is the virus" bumper sticker with the infowars logo. Go get 'em tiger. Fucking morons
2 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Sure, but they didn't know any better. We now have the breadth of human knowledge in our pockets at all times. You can read everything about Alex Jones in 2 minutes if you were in a coma for the last 30 years and you'd know that he's a fraudster. 

Honestly, that makes the problem worse. because its also much easier to find reams of misinformation and bullshit that backs up whatever crackpot theory people want to believe. It used to be difficult and/or costly to publish books, get published in newspapers, broadcast on TV, etc... The internet has just about completely eliminated those barriers. I can promise you those inclined to follow Alex Jones arent spending time researching why he is a fraud. confirmation bias is real. 

7 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Sure, but they didn't know any better. We now have the breadth of human knowledge in our pockets at all times. You can read everything about Alex Jones in 2 minutes if you were in a coma for the last 30 years and you'd know that he's a fraudster. 

Now do Trump...

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Plaintiffs’ initial closing was pretty comprehensive and well-organized. Can’t wait to see what Reynal has to say.

It will be shit.

Just now, Cousin Strawberry said:

It will be shit.

that is probably the upper bound, could be lower. 

3 minutes ago, Blotto said:

that is probably the upper bound, could be lower. 

I expect him to inadvertently reveal his client’s social security number during closing.

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oh shit

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Can’t wait to see what Reynal has to say.

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45 minutes ago, Chopper said:

 

This is one of the greatest court room gotchas I've seen. Trump's missteps and foot in mouth are legenday but all were in depo.

Jones didn't lose his footing in the 2 minute clipped I watched but he was all over the place. "No I didn't know I gave you that info" and later "see I complied with discovery!"

"Do you recall saying under oath that you had no texts on your phone related to Sandy Hook?" "Uh uh uhhhhh..."

The J6 Committee will be requesting trial evidence from the plaintiff attorney any minute now.

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8 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

oh shit

 

 

 

If they were produced without a privilege claim, Plaintiifs' attorney should just hand them over. 

20 minutes ago, troph said:

he got y'all on the penis enlargement supplement, that tends to turn the brain off pretty reliably.  those ads are worse than a Don Lapre infomercial.

 

If I recall, didn't Jones plead the fifth on many of the committee's questions regarding Jan 6th? Maybe texts will fill in the blanks?

 

Just now, chainsaw said:

Did someone just fart in court

Technically it’s shart.  But yes.  

21 minutes ago, Blotto said:

 I can promise you those inclined to follow Alex Jones arent spending time researching why he is a fraud. confirmation bias is real. 

Oh 100% and that's why it's an indictment of our educational system (culture) or on our species itself. I tend to lead towards species as other countries do have issues with "fake news", but I'm not sure how the country that produces the best research in our native language can fall for this crap at a far higher rate than our peers. That has to be cultural.

2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Fun is only beginning for this MF

Would be hilarious if THIS is what ended up finally sinking the dotard ship.  Ah well, nevertheless...

I’m not saying this is a winner by any means, but Reynal’s closing doesn’t completely suck for what he’s got to work with. Gonna miss the rest because I’m hopping on a conference call.

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Would be hilarious if THIS is what ended up finally sinking the dotard ship.  Ah well, nevertheless...

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This is surprisingly less shitty than I was expecting.  But the idea that Jones talked about other topics more than he talked about SH means it isn’t damaging, is just bad.  “Sure, I raped that chick. But that’s like .01 percent of all the times I had sex.”

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9 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Fun is only beginning for this MF

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39 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Plaintiffs’ initial closing was pretty comprehensive and well-organized. Can’t wait to see what Reynal has to say.

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Reynal is struggling to bring himself to address evidence.  I don't blame him.

2 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Why is this dude getting to argue liability at this stage of trial?

Good. Fucking. Question.

26 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Technically it’s shart.  But yes.  

I OBJECT!

2 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Why is this dude getting to argue liability at this stage of trial?

Seems like it would backfire. He doesn't seem at all what a contrite party would be doing

oh shit
 
 
 

Awwww the Democrats are all grown up now!

Nice to see some more cutthroat hardball from the committee.
1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

What an embarrassment to our educational system 

The educational system ransacked by conservatives for decades, you mean.   Also, it is pretty difficult to educate stupid.

 

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