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3 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

 


I disagree. Frankie lived a very fast lifestyle. Gambling, porn, organized crime, etc. him being shot down like that, to me makes perfect sense. He was shot down like a dog in the streets. He was a criminal. Most people don’t care about criminals, especially ones like Frankie. You read about it in the news and go about your day.

Todd on the other hand contracts a disease, that at the time was kind of a mystery, and for many people is this long, slow death sentence. Drawing it out like that felt right. He wasn’t a bad person, but contracted a bad disease.

 

Yeah. Todd's death was a slow burn from a disease. Frankie's death was fast and dumb - exactly like Frankie. 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 9:16 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

I’m confused on Tommy and Rudy’s reaction to Frankie’s death. Rudy is a Capo in the Gambino Family. Frankie and Vincent are most certainly with them and protected. The son of a made guy, Pascal kills Frankie. Surely, Rudy would demand a sit down and retribution. Pascal isn’t made and his dad isn’t a Capo or in Gambino upper management. Yet Rudy and Tommy let it slide, and blow Vincent off. Rudy seems to like Vincent, and as a businessman you’d think he’d demand compensation for the loss of an good earner. Just my two cents. 

Tommy wasn't going to say anything because he was working with Frankie to deal coke, which would have got him in huge trouble with Rudy and the other mob bosses that wanted to stay out of the drug game. 

Sad to see Rudy go but it was inevitable. The Maggie G monologue about her dad was some damn fine acting. And no more Big Mike. Just disappears into the city. 

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Sad to see Rudy go but it was inevitable. The Maggie G monologue about her dad was some damn fine acting. And no more Big Mike. Just disappears into the city. 

Losing Big Mike sucks.  He was about to get his club.

I bet Paul ends up being clean and gets the best ending out of the main characters.

Does Vince die?  If not, how the hell does he survive?  Maybe Rudy's last wishes are honored?  Maybe all the mob focus shifts to Longo?

Edited by Don Johnson

Losing Big Mike sucks.  He was about to get his club.
I bet Paul ends up being clean and gets the best ending out of the main characters.
Does Vince die?  If not, how the hell does he survive?  Maybe Rudy's last wishes are honored?  Maybe all the mob focus shifts to Longo?


Yeah, I get the feeling that Paul is clean. Vince doesn’t want this life anymore and neither does Abby (her telling Pilar she used to love the city). I think they might end up moving out of the city and settling down.

Yeah, that monologue scene was some powerful stuff. The acting in this show has been superb. Going to miss it.
3 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I think they might end up moving out of the city and settling down.

I think they may have mapped that out last season when Vincent wound up in that small college town bar and fell in love with the place. Not sure he's gonna survive to get there, though.

On 10/9/2019 at 1:49 AM, RPM said:

Rudy didn't know who did it. He wasn't aware of the coke deals.

Rudy should have known period. Tommy is in his crew and was his driver for a long time. 

23 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

Losing Big Mike sucks.  He was about to get his club.

I bet Paul ends up being clean and gets the best ending out of the main characters.

Does Vince die?  If not, how the hell does he survive?  Maybe Rudy's last wishes are honored?  Maybe all the mob focus shifts to Longo?

Why did Big Mike disappear? 

6 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:


He caught the aids. Knew he didn’t have long.

Big Mike wasn't gay was he? I admittedly have drifted in and out this season.

Just now, lateshow said:

Big Mike wasn't gay was he? I admittedly have drifted in and out this season.

No.  

Big Mike wasn't gay was he? I admittedly have drifted in and out this season.

No.  


Well, I guess that all depends on your view of the world. In season two he was fucking a transvestite regularly.
Just now, Patricio Swayze said:

 

 


Well, I guess that all depends on your view of the world. In season two he was fucking a transvestite regularly.

 

 

Forgot that.  

Forgot that.  

I think it was only one or two episodes. The way the interacted made it seem like it was a regular thing. Her character’s name was Robin (according to the internet).

I had forgotten how fucking terrible the AIDs epidemic was. We sure have come a long way from it being a certain death sentence. 

Edited by MissingInAction

1 hour ago, Don Johnson said:

Forgot that.  

Me too. 

If you want a great HBO movie about the start of the AIDS crisis, watch And The Band Played On. The inaction by various government agencies on the crisis was very real. I believe it's on HBO Now. 

Edited by mdmost

On 10/15/2019 at 11:16 AM, Patricio Swayze said:

 


Yeah, I get the feeling that Paul is clean. Vince doesn’t want this life anymore and neither does Abby (her telling Pilar she used to love the city). I think they might end up moving out of the city and settling down.

Yeah, that monologue scene was some powerful stuff. The acting in this show has been superb. Going to miss it.

 

I predict that Vince moves to out of the city getting a job bartending in a local bar, like when he got spooked in season 2 and drove to Vermont and ended up stopping in a local bar, jumping behind the bar to help out when it got busy, and crashed with the bartender's family. He came back and told Abby he was gonna move away and do that. Whether or not that's with Abby or his ex wife, who knows.

It's fairly obvious Paul is clean. Paul goes into advocacy full time raising money for the AIDS

Laurie joins a band and stops doing porn.

Maggie G's character becomes a respected underground art house erotica filmmaker. 

Vince's brother in law gets arrested for running the brothel and goes to the clink

His dumb shit son gets arrested for drugs.

That's all I got. 

 

7 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

I had forgotten how fucking terrible the AIDs epidemic was. We sure have come a long way from it being a certain death sentence. 

Nobody really cared until people like Ryan White, Magic Johnson and other straight people started getting sick. The dentist in Florida infecting patients was a turning point, too.

I assume Tommy hit Rudy with permission from the Gambino higher ups? It was alluded to in the sit down earlier in the episode, but I wouldn't be surprised if David Simon leaves it up to our interpretations. Tommy agrees to kill Rudy in exchange for making capo, and on and on it goes. I know it's not what Simon wanted to do, but there's a great mob show buried in The Deuce. 

RIP Rudy. Much like his former character Jackie Aprile, Michael Rispoli turns a mobster into a warm and likable character. Terrific actor. 

 

Edited by billfromlaketravis

5 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

What did he do, jizz in their mouths while they were knocked out?

David J. Acer He had the aids and didn't properly sterilize his tools. Killed 6 patients.

 

 

10 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I assume Tommy hit Rudy with permission from the Gambino higher ups? It was alluded to in the sit down earlier in the episode, but I wouldn't be surprised if David Simon leaves it up to our interpretations. Tommy agrees to kill Rudy in exchange for making capo, and on and on it goes. I know it's not what Simon wanted to do, but there's a great mob show buried in The Deuce. 

RIP Rudy. Much like his former character Jackie Aprile, Michael Rispoli turns a mobster into a warm and likable character. Terrific actor. 

 

Absolutely agreed. I've found myself much more interested in the mob angle than the porn/whore angle throughout the show. 

19 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I assume Tommy hit Rudy with permission from the Gambino higher ups? It was alluded to in the sit down earlier in the episode, but I wouldn't be surprised if David Simon leaves it up to our interpretations. Tommy agrees to kill Rudy in exchange for making capo, and on and on it goes. I know it's not what Simon wanted to do, but there's a great mob show buried in The Deuce. 

RIP Rudy. Much like his former character Jackie Aprile, Michael Rispoli turns a mobster into a warm and likable character. Terrific actor. 

 

He'll always be Grama to me.

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Pretty good episode all around.  Rudy was soft and is lucky he lasted so long.  Hope that takes Vince off the hook because Rudy told the Mob guy that it was on him. 

Edited by Mojo Hand

Well that was quite the pick me up. 

On 10/16/2019 at 12:12 PM, mdmost said:

If you want a great HBO movie about the start of the AIDS crisis, watch And The Band Played On. The inaction by various government agencies on the crisis was very real. I believe it's on HBO Now. 

Off topic, but Larry Kramer's "The Normal Heart" is a raw and gritty look at the AIDS crisis in New York in the 80s.  I saw it on Broadway when it re-debuted in 2011.  It's intense and heartbreaking, and I just felt like I had seen something really important.  HBO picked it up and did a movie several years later that is extremely graphic, but it captures the terror, uncertainty, and the helplessness that whole community was experiencing. It's not an emotional pick-me-up either.

Edited by Saint Tacky

Goddamn it, Lori!

Pretty bleak penultimate episode, but there appears to be sunshine on the horizon. Simon usually gives some of his sympathetic characters a happy ending. 

I'm sad to see Lori go, but it's consistent with Simon's message on the industry. 

Vincent is really, really bad at hiding guns. 

I wonder if we'll get the quintessential Simon ending where he shows everything repeating, just with new players. Mob guys changing over. New prostitutes getting off at the Port Authority. His finales always had that bit of history repeating to make you feel uneasy that nothing's changed, it's just shifted around. 

On 10/22/2019 at 6:18 AM, Patricio Swayze said:


No kidding. Didn’t see that coming. Zero hesitation.

I was literally in my mind saying "damn, nice move Lori, you just got a room for the ni.....ah shit"

15 hours ago, mulletpelini said:

I was literally in my mind saying "damn, nice move Lori, you just got a room for the ni.....ah shit"

Same. Took me totally by surprise. I thought she was finally going to turn things around and take control of her scene. Guess she thought that was the only thing she could control.

I did not think she was going to turn it around but I did not see her blowing her brains out. I figured she got the room to purposely OD.

4 hours ago, RPM said:

Same. Took me totally by surprise. I thought she was finally going to turn things around and take control of her scene. Guess she thought that was the only thing she could control.

She couldn’t do anything other than porn or being a prostitute. Like she said to Eileen, she didn’t have a family or kids. She had reached the end of her rope. 

What I meant by take control of her scene was no more pimp.

Of course Black Frankie has a cousin from Lex Terrace who may or may not have been an inspiration for The Wire. One last callback for Simon.

I hated the ending, and didn’t care for the finale. Simon could have tacked 10 minutes on to the last episode and it would have been just as effective. 
 

New York City has changed a lot. We get it. 
 

Give me Treme all day long as Simon’s second best show. 

The only way I noticed Abby, the attorney, at the very, very end is because I had CC turned on. 

I loved the ending. Bittersweet. Vincent lives but everything he knew was gone and he was haunted by the people who he didn't help/watched die off. The look Lori gave him was pretty devastating. And it had the typical Simon theme of you didn't change anything, you just moved it somewhere else. Worked for me. 

That ending was fucking stupid. No resolution for Paul. I guess because he’s walking with a cane in the last episode we know he has AIDS now? After spending the whole season hunting that he doesn’t. Abby is an attorney? Cool? Vince is old and in town and hallucinates encounters with all his friends. How innovative.

 

Lame.

 

And this goes for the rest of this thread after this post. I dont think you realize how much nyc and times square changed from the mad men days to the late 80 until now. I will leave the cr out of this but this last season is what lead to or already was rudy time. Not saying he caused it but the difference is night and day.

Liked the series, hated the finale.

So I'll be the first to start the theories about the end, which I liked. A bit slow but I think it was and important end to Vince's character arc.

So was Vincent dying and on his way to hell where his brother was waiting to escort him down? 

I took it that everyone he sees from his past is dead. Paul, Tommy, and even the short order cook. 

Nobody gonna say anything about the 3 way penetration scene they did with MG?

Can't believe they showed that on HBO

Nobody gonna say anything about the 3 way penetration scene they did with MG?
Can't believe they showed that on HBO

It’s not as if they actually showed penetration.

Speaking of MG, I liked her story arc the best. She went from a whore to a legit art house director. 
 

Abby scissoring her way through college/ law school would have been a fun watch. Oh well. 

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