December 2, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, GTX Horn said: Maybe all the Ash talk is a misdirection? Ass talk always gets me distracted.
December 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, GTX Horn said: Maybe all the Ash talk is a misdirection? Do you believe we are savvy enough for a smoke screen? We disguise our most coveted coaching hires as poorly as we concealed our blitzes this year. It’s like we’re picking a pope or something.
December 2, 20196 yr Popular Post 3 minutes ago, GTX Horn said: Maybe all the Ash talk is a misdirection? He’s Ash my dude.
December 2, 20196 yr Popular Post 8 minutes ago, Cajun said: If it's Ash, then Tom is just a dead man walking who just bought a small stay of execution.
December 2, 20196 yr Weren’t Ohio state fans happy to see ash leave? Their new guy seems to be better than ash was.
December 2, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, Nicole44 said: Do you believe we are savvy enough for a smoke screen? We disguise our most coveted coaching hires as poorly as we concealed our blitzes this year. It’s like we’re picking a pope or something. I think we need to reset our expectations for the AD's office pre/post CDC hire. Del Conte has made some tremendous hires in the other sports including convincing Andrea Hudy to leave Kansas after 15 years and getting long time Michigan asst Luke Yaklich to join Shaka Smart's staff (another HC considered to be on the hot seat).
December 2, 20196 yr I’m not sure he's going to hire an offensive coordinator. My feeling is that he may take over play calling duties to show 1 - that his system works, 2- that there's continuity, and 3- that he does do something here.it makes sense with the Beck reassignment. I got the feeling he may have taken that over during tech as proof to del Conte that the offense can be OK.
December 2, 20196 yr I’m not sure he's going to hire an offensive coordinator. My feeling is that he may take over play calling duties to show 1 - that his system works, 2- that there's continuity, and 3- that he does do something here.it makes sense with the Beck reassignment. I got the feeling he may have taken that over during tech as proof to del Conte that the offense can be OK.How much do you want to bet.
December 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Daichee Bell said: I’m not sure he's going to hire an offensive coordinator. My feeling is that he may take over play calling duties to show 1 - that his system works, 2- that there's continuity, and 3- that he does do something here.it makes sense with the Beck reassignment. I got the feeling he may have taken that over during tech as proof to del Conte that the offense can be OK. no
December 2, 20196 yr 15 hours ago, HtownHorn said: Ash wasn't a failed DC. He failed as a HC. He was a good DC at OSU, and helped them win a National championship. It's hilarious to watch people spin so much shit. Barry Odom was a failed head coach, but it seems everyone would be happy if he was hired as the DC. Alabama consistently hires failed HC's to coordinator positions, including their last 3 OC's. Simple: Saban listens to Red.
December 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Daichee Bell said: I’m not sure he's going to hire an offensive coordinator. My feeling is that he may take over play calling duties to show 1 - that his system works, 2- that there's continuity, and 3- that he does do something here.it makes sense with the Beck reassignment. I got the feeling he may have taken that over during tech as proof to del Conte that the offense can be OK. I don't think he can afford to take over play calling and be the full time OC. it takes away one more card from his deck for next year if things are going poorly and ensures he can't hire another OC that is worth a damn
December 2, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Rockwell Torrey said: He’s Ash my dude. This is no time to be a smart Ash.
December 2, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Daichee Bell said: I’m not sure he's going to hire an offensive coordinator. My feeling is that he may take over play calling duties to show 1 - that his system works, 2- that there's continuity, and 3- that he does do something here.it makes sense with the Beck reassignment. I got the feeling he may have taken that over during tech as proof to del Conte that the offense can be OK. Herman already tried that - this season. Del Conte decided Herman needed to make a change.
December 2, 20196 yr Seeing Graham Harrell at Texas.........It's better than when I saw Kliff Kingsbury at aggy. But it's kind of weird for me. But, GH would be a good hire imo.
December 2, 20196 yr 40 minutes ago, Sock Drawer said: Those three little words come to mind yet again: Bobby. Jack. Wright. GTFOHWTS. He wore white pants and diarrhed himself on the internet then he slept with ugliest gnarliest bitch, liked it, but now has got the aids. He is overrated and Texas scoffs at his shit work.
December 2, 20196 yr I say let's hire Harrell, let the 2008 team come in an throw him a soap party, then all is forgiven.
December 2, 20196 yr It seems like everyone (for the most part) is in agreement when it comes to the OC - but outside of the Utah lifer being mentioned as a top candidate (and Chris Ash sucking shit through a very tiny straw) there appears to be no consensus on DC's. Jimmy Lake has to be at the top of everyones list - right? I realize he's likely never leaving the PNW unless its for a top tier HC job - but we at least have to waive the 2.5 million dollr check at him, no? Then another lifer in Utah's Morgan Scalley? Kevin Steele? David Reeves? How many names do we go through before Chris Ash becomes a legitimate option?
December 2, 20196 yr Just now catching up.... why is that Chris Ash is a no-go on here? Is he a bad defensive coordinator, or is it just because Herman knows him? Scheme fit not there for the Big 12 (well, anywhere these days, really)?
December 2, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said: Weren’t Ohio state fans happy to see ash leave? Their new guy seems to be better than ash was. Nah, Ash has had a good amount of success as a DC. The biggest drawback is his history with Herman. There are also the questions of how much of his success was because of him and is it enough to overcome his below average recruiting.
December 2, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, Atticus said: and is it enough to overcome his below average recruiting Oh... another Orlando?
December 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, UncleBuck said: Just now catching up.... why is that Chris Ash is a no-go on here? Is he a bad defensive coordinator, or is it just because Herman knows him? Scheme fit not there for the Big 12 (well, anywhere these days, really)? His Quarters defense was a big part of OSU's dominance in the title year. Fickell and Withers were struggling before then
December 2, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, NoName said: DFEI Rankings: 2009 (Clemson): 17 2010: 14 2011: 57 2015 (LSU): 18 2016 (Auburn): 10 2017: 1 2018: 15 2019: 3 You are seriously underrating how good his defenses have been going back almost 10 years. Dude has had very good defenses for a while... as to if he is a good match because of cultural reasons, conference reasons or anything else - that is one thing. but he has a book of work as a DC that is pretty damn good... And that's fair.
December 2, 20196 yr How much do you want to bet. $2You down for it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
December 2, 20196 yr People keep mentioning Orlando as one of Herman's 'buddy' hires (like Mehringer and Naivar) - as far as I know Herman had never even met Orlando before he was recommended to him as a possible DC hire at Houston.
December 2, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, Michael Knight said: LSU doesn't have money The school is broke. The athletic department is not.
December 2, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, RollLeft said: GTFOHWTS. He wore white pants and diarrhed himself on the internet then he slept with ugliest gnarliest bitch, liked it, but now has got the aids. He is overrated and Texas scoffs at his shit work. Yeah, well did he take pics of himself romancing a shark in a boat? Because all that sounds amateurish in comparison.
December 2, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said: People keep mentioning Orlando as one of Herman's 'buddy' hires (like Mehringer and Naivar) - as far as I know Herman had never even met Orlando before he was recommended to him as a possible DC hire at Houston. If I remember correctly, Orlando made some comments after Herman left Houston which made us question Orlando’s loyalty to Herman.
December 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said: The State of Louisiana is broke. The athletic department is not. fixed
December 2, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, UncleBuck said: Just now catching up.... why is that Chris Ash is a no-go on here? Is he a bad defensive coordinator, or is it just because Herman knows him? Scheme fit not there for the Big 12 (well, anywhere these days, really)? No clue, Ash seems worthy of a good look. He's a DB coach at heart and I think that type DC is what the Big XII currently needs. I think he could turn around our defense quickly.
December 2, 20196 yr 31 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said: Weren’t Ohio state fans happy to see ash leave? Their new guy seems to be better than ash was. No. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2596467
December 2, 20196 yr 29 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said: I think we need to reset our expectations for the AD's office pre/post CDC hire. Del Conte has made some tremendous hires in the other sports including convincing Andrea Hudy to leave Kansas after 15 years and getting long time Michigan asst Luke Yaklich to join Shaka Smart's staff (another HC considered to be on the hot seat). I like CDC! I sent him an email re:Herman and fears for the program blah blah blah and he actually called me as other posters have mentioned and we talked for about seven minutes. I came away very impressed
December 2, 20196 yr 19 minutes ago, UncleBuck said: Just now catching up.... why is that Chris Ash is a no-go on here? Is he a bad defensive coordinator, or is it just because Herman knows him? Scheme fit not there for the Big 12 (well, anywhere these days, really)? Because people are fucking idiots. Nevermind that OSU's defense improved immensely between 2013 and 2014 when he came in and turned the secondary around in one offseason.
December 2, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, Atticus said: Nah, Ash has had a good amount of success as a DC. The biggest drawback is his history with Herman. There are also the questions of how much of his success was because of him and is it enough to overcome his below average recruiting. History with Herman, they coached together for 1 fucking season and won a championship.
December 2, 20196 yr Ash would be a good DB coach but Lincoln Riley and others are probably salivating at the chance to go up against him as a DC.
December 2, 20196 yr 12 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said: I rewound it just to make sure I didn't mis-hear it. VHS lives!
December 2, 20196 yr 31 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said: but outside of the Utah lifer (and Chris Ash sucking shit through a very tiny straw ) there appears to be no consensus on DC's. Jimmy Lake has to be at the top of everyones list - right? I realize he's likely never leaving the PNW unless its for a top tier HC job - but we at least have to waive the 2.5 million dollr check at him, no? Then another lifer in Utah's Morgan Scalley? Kevin Steele? David Reeves? How many names do we go through before Chris Ash becomes a legitimate option? Jimmy Lake has owned Leach and his Air Raid offense... 😂 Edited December 2, 20196 yr by LTtxfan
December 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, 6th Street said: Ash would be a good DB coach but Lincoln Riley and others are probably salivating at the chance to go up against him as a DC. Lulz. Nice hot take.
December 2, 20196 yr I just looked up defenses that Ash has coordinated. Numbers are for total defense from S&P then FEI. Wiscy: (34, 46 in 2010 before he arrived) 2011: 36, 48 2012: 12, 18 11/8 the year after he left Arkansas: (80/64 in 2012 before he arrived) 2013: 80, 99 ranked 20/12 the year after he left OSU: (44/57 the year before he arrived) 2014: 24, 14 2015: 6, 7 8/3 in 2016 after he left I don't know what to make of his one year in Arkansas. His teams improved at Wiscy and OSU. That said, there was no drop off after he left and significant improvement at Arkansas. Without knowing more about each situation, it seems like Ash is a competent DC but doesn't seem like a defensive wizard.
December 2, 20196 yr Author Just now, HtownHorn said: Lulz. Nice hot take. does Ash have a proven track record of defending spread offenses?
December 2, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, 6th Street said: Ash would be a good DB coach but Lincoln Riley and others are probably salivating at the chance to go up against him as a DC. How so? Last time as a DC he was pretty good. Sucking at Rutgers is not really An indicator of anything other than they need to be in a mid-major conference.
December 2, 20196 yr Mehringer sucked from Day 1 and it took Herman 3 years to get around to firing him. That he would be friends with a douche like that in the first place is a pretty good hint as to why he has rubbed so many people the wrong way already. Assholes tend to surround themselves with other assholes. Edited December 2, 20196 yr by kevwun
December 2, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, HtownHorn said: History with Herman, they coached together for 1 fucking season and won a championship. And that is bad in your eyes?
December 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said: does Ash have a proven track record of defending spread offenses? Urban hired him because he shut down his offense when he was at Wisconsin. Ash's defense held Oregon to 20 points in the championship game despite being -3 in TOs. Frankly I'm not concerned with a guy that schemes to shut down spread offenses. I want a guy that teaches solid fundamentals and tackling, the rest will take care of itself.
December 2, 20196 yr Are people just now finding out that Herman is an abrasive guy? This is impressive.
December 2, 20196 yr 25 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said: It seems like everyone (for the most part) is in agreement when it comes to the OC - but outside of the Utah lifer being mentioned as a top candidate (and Chris Ash sucking shit through a very tiny straw) there appears to be no consensus on DC's. Jimmy Lake has to be at the top of everyones list - right? I realize he's likely never leaving the PNW unless its for a top tier HC job - but we at least have to waive the 2.5 million dollr check at him, no? Then another lifer in Utah's Morgan Scalley? Kevin Steele? David Reeves? How many names do we go through before Chris Ash becomes a legitimate option? I agree there doesn't seem to be a likely home run for DC. Scalley and Lake have to be the top two candidates, but both seem very unlikely. Even if we were able to pull Scalley away from his alma mater where he's been coaching since ~2008, there are questions as to whether that is really Whittingham's defense (I think Scalley has only been the coordinator for two years). Kevin Steele? Ok, I guess I could get on board. Like most on here, my aversion to Chris Ash is primarily tied to his preexisting relationship with Herman. But, if he is hired, I'm sure I'll circle the wagons this offseason like the idiot I am.
December 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, HtownHorn said: Urban hired him because he shut down his offense when he was at Wisconsin. Ash's defense held Oregon to 20 points in the championship game despite being -3 in TOs. Frankly I'm not concerned with a guy that schemes to shut down spread offenses. I want a guy that teaches solid fundamentals and tackling, the rest will take care of itself. This right here. I don't give a shit what conference our DC comes from - so long as he can develop recruits and teach the fundamentals his defense is going to stop people enough times for this team to win.
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