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in 2016 and 17, the Nationals were ranked 15th and 12th in MLB in number of shifts. Dusty is not a total dinosaur. 

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  • Here's the thing that makes me absolutely livid about this... Cheating happens all the time in baseball. At all levels. All levels. The MLB itself cheats the game by juicing the ball. Players juiced t

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    It's not the end, I agree. The Astros are still sacks of giant shit, though.  Shame on them.

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    Very sad to see that the Astros are basically dipshit cheaters from the top down. Hey, at least the Black Sox are happy that someone else is wearing their crown of infamy.    

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10 hours ago, MAROON said:

his data files are available to download on that site.  I think what you need to do is say any at bat with a bang is a cheating at bat since no bang could be a fastball.  Then see how those at bats turned out.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say it didn't help.

Everyone was wondering why Bregman would continuously look at meatball sliders right down the middle on a 2-0 count. He new the slider was coming wanted to wait for the fastball.

wasn't it springer that didn't even like the advanced scouting?  he just liked to see ball hit ball?

can't imagine the trash can getting in his head was a good thing.

19 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m mostly of the mind that it didn’t help, but then I see Cam Maybin get a third of his season RBIs in his first two weeks with the Astros.  So I don’t know that it didn’t help.   And that’s what sucks about this whole deal.   

The Maybin stuff intrigues me.  We've been led to believe that what the Astros were doing is an affront to the game of baseball and players across the league are appalled by what we were doing, yet veteran Cameron Maybin strolls in mid-season and immediately becomes one of the most prolific "bang"ers?  Just like that?  

Click would be a great GM to complement Putila.  He was director of pro scouting for Tampa so he is an expert on free agency and trades, whereas Putila is an expert in drafting and developing prospects.

On 1/28/2020 at 2:36 PM, Huckleberry said:

Maybe if the Astros had hired Rayner Noble.

Rayner's a great dude. 

9 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

wasn't it springer that didn't even like the advanced scouting?  he just liked to see ball hit ball?

can't imagine the trash can getting in his head was a good thing.

I am guessing he was locked in enough it likely didn't even register with him.  I know there is zero shot I would have been able to hear any of it as I would get so focused on the pitcher I didn't hear anything, not even my manager yelling at me.  once I stepped in the box I had no room for distraction.  it was all about trying to pick up the pitch and determine backspin or sidespin in a few hundredths of a second.  

20 minutes ago, pepper brooks said:

I am guessing he was locked in enough it likely didn't even register with him.  I know there is zero shot I would have been able to hear any of it as I would get so focused on the pitcher I didn't hear anything, not even my manager yelling at me.  once I stepped in the box I had no room for distraction.  it was all about trying to pick up the pitch and determine backspin or sidespin in a few hundredths of a second.  

The mental aspect of it is probably why it didn't even work. Doesn't change the fact it was an attempt at cheating, but as soon as teams suspected something the efficacy was shot. Imagine being a professional hitter who's using this system. First few times it works, every signal is correct. But what happens the very first time the trash can bangs (or doesn't bang) and the signal is incorrect? From that moment forward the only thing the system is doing is introducing more doubt a half second before the pitcher starts his delivery. That's a very bad thing for a hitter.

Same thing happened to the 1951 Giants during their comeback. They cheated basically the exact same way but their home splits were worse after their system started, not better, that season.

20 hours ago, Scraps said:
20 hours ago, MAROON said:
his data files are available to download on that site.  I think what you need to do is say any at bat with a bang is a cheating at bat since no bang could be a fastball.  Then see how those at bats turned out.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say it didn't help.

I bet it helped Marwin. He used it alot and had career numbers

There was a bang in the 9th inning when he faced Janzen. But maybe that was just the crack of the bat. 

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The Maybin stuff intrigues me.  We've been led to believe that what the Astros were doing is an affront to the game of baseball and players across the league are appalled by what we were doing, yet veteran Cameron Maybin strolls in mid-season and immediately becomes one of the most prolific "bang"ers?  Just like that?  

Maybin's best offensive season was last year with the Yankee's with special assistant to the GM Beltran in the organization.

26 minutes ago, runthebone said:

So I assume the 2020 motto is going to be #BangGang?

 

I think that redirects to Baylor. 

3 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Maybin's best offensive season was last year with the Yankee's with special assistant to the GM Beltran in the organization.

no way wow GIF

1 hour ago, runthebone said:

So I assume the 2020 motto is going to be #BangGang?

 

Slow loud and bangin

9 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Slow loud and bangin

I thought it was "Swangin and Bangin"?

 

Dusty mentioned Too Short in his press conference,  he's not Fat Pat but I'll allow it

4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Watching this press conference, I would bet $1000 that Dusty can't name 5 current Astros players.

Maybe he’ll refer to them by position like Tom does with kickers 

9 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Watching this press conference, I would bet $1000 that Dusty can't name 5 current Astros players.

Espada is the de facto manager. Dusty is a figurehead. 

Just now, TonyTexas said:

Espada is the de facto manager. Dusty is a figurehead. 

I got that vibe as well.  Love it.

16 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

Edited by TonyTexas

3 hours ago, runthebone said:

So I assume the 2020 motto is going to be #BangGang?

 

It's a little long, but I proposed #WeBangEmYouHangEmWeBangEm

Edited by WBT
the extra bang is for the trash can

He nailed that press conference, he had zero issues naming all the Astro greats and even answered the last question In ‘Spanish’. Full hard on. 

all in. My minimum expectations are back to back World Series Championships !

#teamdusty 

 

I might get a dusty baker tattoo this weekend !

 

4 hours ago, runthebone said:

So I assume the 2020 motto is going to be #BangGang?

 

Only thing we'll be banging is some Maze on Sundays

6 hours ago, Mez2 said:

I thought it was "Swangin and Bangin"?

 

Dusty mentioned Too Short in his press conference,  he's not Fat Pat but I'll allow it

Shouldn’t it be bangin’ then swangin’?

bagwell is pretty fired up about the hiring. loves the bake / espada combo

6 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

Espada is the de facto manager. Dusty is a figurehead. 

Dusty is our own Coach Eastland from Bad News Bears Breaking Training. 

Joe Espada is our Mike Leake

13 hours ago, Mez2 said:

I thought it was "Swangin and Bangin"?

 

Dusty mentioned Too Short in his press conference,  he's not Fat Pat but I'll allow it

 

17 hours ago, Mez2 said:

I thought it was "Swangin and Bangin"?

 

Dusty mentioned Too Short in his press conference,  he's not Fat Pat but I'll allow it

 

 Slow Loud And Bangin', all in my trunk 
Trunk full of funk, I ain't never been a punk 
I blow on skunk, I blow on doja 
Military minded, I'm a motherfucking soldier

-Mo City Don

"Out the streets of the ridgemont 4.."

I lived there for almost 8 years so we're basically best friends 

11 hours ago, Mez2 said:

Dusty is our own Coach Eastland from Bad News Bears Breaking Training. 

Joe Espada is our Mike Leake

Bregman is our Kelly Leake.

Tyler White was a good Englebert.

Crane sent out an email to all corporate partners this morning touting Dusty’s integrity and reinforcing the “right person at the right time” nature of the hire
Included a “thank you” video from Dusty as well.

Where has this spin/PR/crisis machine been all this time?

Also Ausmus was not considered anything close to an analytics guy.  Just had to correct that from earlier.  You would think he would be but no.

Maybe when they get to Houston they can get Kelly Leak's dad to take over the team.

Also Ausmus was not considered anything close to an analytics guy.  Just had to correct that from earlier.  You would think he would be but no.
He wasn't with Detroit, but he basically spent all last season with the Angels working with the analytics department.
Bregman is our Kelly Leake.
Tyler White was a good Englebert.
Two hands Englebert two hands.
4 hours ago, huge said:

Also Ausmus was not considered anything close to an analytics guy.  Just had to correct that from earlier.  You would think he would be but no.

Dude let Daniel Norris throw a 54 pitch FIRST INNING! once...

3 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Dude let Daniel Norris throw a 54 pitch FIRST INNING! once...

Is he related to Chud Norris?

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Hard pass on asmus 

It's true if only because every time the Astros had a runner on first base and fewer than two outs if they show Ausmus on TV then you know there's about to be a GIDP.

At least it sure seemed that way when he played for Houston.

Uncle Mike says hold my beer Ausmus and watch me gidp.

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10 hours ago, kevwun said:

Uncle Mike says hold my beer Ausmus and watch me gidp.

Not even close.  Brantley had 21 in 637 PA last year.  In 2002, Ausmus led the majors with 30 in 496 PA.

I won't quip with the voters for choosing Larry Walker with the year he had in 1997, but Biggio easily could have been the MVP that year and only finished 5th in the voting. Bagwell finished 4th, which probably stole some votes from Biggio.

Fun fact: Biggio hit into a double play in the first game of the 1998 season after going all of 1997 without a GIDP.

2 hours ago, runthebone said:

Biggio's HoF plaque should say: 1997 162 games, 0 GIDP

8 year old me probably knew that, 30 year old me is impressed.

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