December 29, 20195 yr https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-white-settlement-shooting-at-least-three-shot-inside-texas-church-20191229-nbpczz7j4fdithl7v5boaxxl4u-story.html At least two people were reportedly killed in a shooting inside a crowded church near Fort Worth, Texas, a terrifying scene captured on video Sunday morning. It was not immediately clear what led to the shooting, but footage of the incident shows what appears to be a man shooting at least two people and then getting shot as he tried turning his weapon at the crowd. The shooting took place at West Freeway Church of Christ in the city of White Settlement. Sunday’s service was live streamed on YouTube. The video shows dozens of horrified churchgoers ducking under their seats as several people, including someone who appeared to be a security guard, drew their own weapons toward the gunman. A local CBS affiliate reported that two people were killed and another was in critical condition, but authorities had not released any information as of 1 p.m. The incident comes two years after a madman opened fire inside another Texas church in one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history. The shooter, 26-year-old Devin Kelley, killed 26 people and wounded more than 20 others at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs on Nov. 5, 2017. ---- Video stills (not graphic) of shooter and security responding: Spoiler Edited December 29, 20195 yr by clapclapclap
December 29, 20195 yr Oh, I’m so sick of these deranged fucks. Sounds like this one was ended quickly, thank goodness. Based on the photos, looks like a really senior crowd, or is that representative of who goes to church these days?
December 29, 20195 yr Author 1 minute ago, Vito Andolini said: Based on the photos, looks like a really senior crowd, or is that representative of who goes to church these days? It varies a lot among congregations. The bigger churches will have a younger demographic. Plus this may have been the early service, with many churches having a different type of worship in a later service aimed at a younger crowd. Just depends.
December 29, 20195 yr It's weird that the church has a security guard. I'm glad no more people were killed at the church.
December 29, 20195 yr Those still pics are sad -- people just frozen in confusion. That small, important moment of trying to locate the shooter and find a place to go.
December 29, 20195 yr Terrible. Is there a catchy buzzword/phrase that I am unaware of that I should be using, like “anti-semitic”, to describe these pieces of shit?
December 29, 20195 yr It's weird that the church has a security guard. I'm glad no more people were killed at the church.A lot of churchs have people that are armed and aren’t actual “security”. Stay armed my friends.100% this.
December 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Vito Andolini said: Based on the photos, looks like a really senior crowd, or is that representative of who goes to church these days? I would imagine it's a fair representation of people who go to Church of Christ. Seems like most people I know under 40 who aren't Catholic go to non-denominational churches. Edited December 29, 20195 yr by Tom
December 29, 20195 yr I met one of the victims a few times through a mutual friend who worked with him. Tony was always a nice guy. My buddy is pretty tore up about this.
December 29, 20195 yr Sad. I might guess that the combination of White Settlement, which used to be dependent on Carswell and General Dynamics, so is kind of dying, plus CoC might explain the age of the congregation.
December 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, GotThatFire said: Terrible. Is there a catchy buzzword/phrase that I am unaware of that I should be using, like “anti-semitic”, to describe these pieces of shit? Fucknut
December 29, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, workswithseed said: It's weird that the church has a security guard. My wife's Baptist church, albeit it is large, is in Central Austin, and has a shit-ton of armed security, usually 1-2 off-duty LEOs in uniform, and several armed volunteers (and that's just the ones hovering near the doors with earpieces making themselves out to be obvious, pretty sure there are some we are not seeing). It used to not be this way either, but it's the norm. It's like one of my in-laws is an assistant principal, and they were bragging about how the new school they are working at has all of these new features to deter school shooters, and all I can think was "holy shit dude, think about what you're bragging about???"
December 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Jkwellborn said: A lot of churchs have people that are armed and aren’t actual “security”. 100% this. I’ve said on this board before that I’m on my church security team. I hope I never have to pull, but i know I’d be a deterrent even if I wasn’t on schedule that day. I’d rather go die defending my family and friends rather than begging for my life. That will never happen. I carry even when it’s not my week on security. It might be in my briefcase that week, but I have it.
December 29, 20195 yr My mom grew up at that church. Was married there. My granddad used to be an elder. The average age of those church goers is probably 75.
December 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, GotThatFire said: Terrible. Is there a catchy buzzword/phrase that I am unaware of that I should be using, like “anti-semitic”, to describe these pieces of shit? Gun nut
December 29, 20195 yr Nope. Anti-Christian lunatic will have to suffice I guess. Edited December 29, 20195 yr by GotThatFire
December 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Tom said: I would imagine it's a fair representation of people who go to Church of Christ. Seems like most people I know under 40 who aren't Catholic go to non-denominational churches. I mean, as a member of a Church of Christ, there is still lots of young people in them. Lots of young people go to LTC still.
December 29, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said: Gun nut Is that what you call the guy who thwarted it too? asking for a friend.
December 29, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, GotThatFire said: Nope. Anti-Christian lunatic will have to suffice I guess. Disgruntled Worshipper /Carlin
December 29, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, workswithseed said: I mean, as a member of a Church of Christ, there is still lots of young people in them. Lots of young people go to LTC still. Fair enough. I'm mainly generalizing based on personal observations and experiences in my little corner of the world and the people I know.
December 29, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said: Gun nut Lame. And I say that as someone who 1) owns no guns and 2) isn’t terribly comfortable with armed security (or worshippers) in the assembly of the church.
December 29, 20195 yr Damn that's terrible. I was living in Fort Worth when the church shooting happened at Hulen and that was rough. This is one of those situations where you hope like hell that there wasn't an armed victim shot because others thought they were the criminal. Probably not likely in a small community/congregation but if law enforcement shows up all bets are off.
December 29, 20195 yr 35 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said: Gun nut Probably more like enlightened atheist. Edited December 29, 20195 yr by NotActuallyALonghorn
December 29, 20195 yr 53 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: I’ve said on this board before that I’m on my church security team. I hope I never have to pull, but i know I’d be a deterrent even if I wasn’t on schedule that day. I’d rather go die defending my family and friends rather than begging for my life. That will never happen. I carry even when it’s not my week on security. It might be in my briefcase that week, but I have it. You’re doing it right.
December 29, 20195 yr Anyone have a direct link to the video? That daily news link gave my phone hitler space aids. Edited December 29, 20195 yr by MissingInAction
December 29, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, workswithseed said: It's weird that the church has a security guard. It's weird that I won't attend any church without packing, and try to avoid (sometimes outright ignore if unavoidable) places where I have to disarm before entering. But we're living in one weird, fucked up world, so...
December 29, 20195 yr Not being real familiar with the DFW area, I had no idea there was a town named White Settlement. Sounds diverse.
December 29, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, MissingInAction said: Anyone have a direct link to the video? That daily news link gave my phone hitler space aids. Only place I found it So far was in a tweet ... bet it won’t stay up long
December 29, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, formermav43 said: Lame. And I say that as someone who 1) owns no guns and 2) isn’t terribly comfortable with armed security (or worshippers) in the assembly of the church. I’ll say this about my church: 1) everyone on our security team is either current or former military/LEO, or has been around weapons their entire life and is licensed to carry, but also knows how to read people and deflect situations. 2) Our congregation doesn’t fully know, but expects that some of us are indeed carrying, so they’re not uncomfortable around us but also not fully comfortable/content because they don’t know who is where. we have some as foyer greeters, some spread throughout the congregation, and some in other areas. It works
December 29, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Trey3216 said: I’ll say this about my church: 1) everyone on our security team is either current or former military/LEO, or has been around weapons their entire life and is licensed to carry, but also knows how to read people and deflect situations. 2) Our congregation doesn’t fully know, but expects that some of us are indeed carrying, so they’re not uncomfortable around us but also not fully comfortable/content because they don’t know who is where. we have some as foyer greeters, some spread throughout the congregation, and some in other areas. It works My discomfort with it is for theological reasons, not safety concerns. I recognize that those are deep waters, with a great deal of uncertainty, and most don’t agree with me in the contemporary church. I’m sure you are all qualified and competent. We have some who are armed in our church (the county sheriff is one of our elders, in fact).
December 29, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, Vito Andolini said: Based on the photos, looks like a really senior crowd, or is that representative of who goes to church these days? Studying for the final exam.
December 29, 20195 yr 19 minutes ago, michaelpshayes said: Only place I found it So far was in a tweet ... bet it won’t stay up long holy shit. the guy sitting in the back reaching for his gun had to be one of the deaths...the second death was the shooter?
December 29, 20195 yr ^^^ second guy shot in the corner Is dead. He's a good friend of a buddy of mine, they work together. Met him a few times hanging out. Seemed like a pretty good dude. Edited December 29, 20195 yr by Zepol87 Deleted edit cause I'm high lol
December 29, 20195 yr 25 minutes ago, michaelpshayes said: Only place I found it So far was in a tweet ... bet it won’t stay up long This seems to be factually incorrect given the tragic number of incidents in Texas where the shooter was not quickly neutralized.
December 29, 20195 yr 13 minutes ago, formermav43 said: My discomfort with it is for theological reasons, not safety concerns. I recognize that those are deep waters, with a great deal of uncertainty, and most don’t agree with me in the contemporary church. I’m sure you are all qualified and competent. We have some who are armed in our church (the county sheriff is one of our elders, in fact). We are a fairly traditional church tbh. We mulled over it for a long while, then Sutherland Springs happened. Our pastor said, “I just want to know who’s on ‘the team’ because I already know where you all sit.” we also have a full Spanish service in a Chapel in our church simultaneously as our service, as well as a Korean church utilizing space until they can move to their own. after the WallyWorld events in El Paso, we doubled down on our efforts. It was an emotional, Godly conversation between the team, our Pastor, and quite a few very scholarly men of The Book. It still feels odd sometimes, but I don’t believe The Lord would be upset with the flock taking care of themselves.
December 29, 20195 yr There were at least 7 weapons pulled, at least five from parishioners and the rest from the security tram, including what looked like a 60+ year old woman.
December 29, 20195 yr Supposedly the church member who shot the aggressor was a former FBI agent and part of a member based security team.
December 30, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: There were at least 7 weapons pulled, at least five from parishioners and the rest from the security tram, including what looked like a 60+ year old woman. Murica.
December 30, 20195 yr Apparently the entire church security team had their eyes on him from the moment he walked in, because he looked and dressed suspicious. A few minutes later he got up and started shooting. First guy shot took too long to draw his gun, second guy shot was just frozen in shock it seemed. Gunman made the mistake of advancing to the front instead of putting fire on the rest of the security team at the back. Got absolutely dropped by the 2nd security guy to pull his gun. Impressive shot. Sucks an innocent guy died, but thankfully this seemed like a uniquely inept mass shooter running into an armed & able good guy quickly.
December 30, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, chesthair said: go fuck yourself. goddamn troll. You gonna be OK, pumpkin?
December 30, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, David Dennison said: You gonna be OK, pumpkin? im good, cockgobbling fuckstain.
December 30, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, BigHorn'13 said: sometimes outright ignore if unavoidable) So you ignore lawfully posted 30.06/07 signs?
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