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Dallas Cowboys 2020 Offseason Thread -- 25th Anniversary of Mediocrity

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1 hour ago, Dr. Beeper said:

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While he didn't actually say this, few people know this passage was actually in an early draft of the Emancipation Proclamation.... Abe was a freak.

 

 

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Seen this question being asked a few times.... I believe we traded away a 6th for Quinn.  Credit where it's due, that's a fantastic transaction.  Cobb a nice 1 year deal too.  Let's go sign Everson Griffen on a 1 year deal and need another LB and safety.

 

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The Cowboys free agent signings are probably going to negate a lot of that.

 

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24 minutes ago, DougO said:

The Cowboys free agent signings are probably going to negate a lot of that.

 

After their signings.... that's the expected white meat now that we're out of the compensatory period.

And we signed this guy coming out of it.... more depth to the CB position.  He's okay.  Someone may shift to safety.

 

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11 hours ago, DougO said:

The Cowboys free agent signings are probably going to negate a lot of that.

 

Several of the Cowboys signings had been players who were cut, thus there won't be compensatory picks given for signing them.   

18 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Seen this question being asked a few times.... I believe we traded away a 6th for Quinn.  Credit where it's due, that's a fantastic transaction.  Cobb a nice 1 year deal too.  Let's go sign Everson Griffen on a 1 year deal and need another LB and safety.

 

How is compensation assigned?  We lose a former first round pick and now highest paid db in football, and get a 3rd round pick as compensation?  Is that to promote retention?  

27 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How is compensation assigned?  We lose a former first round pick and now highest paid db in football, and get a 3rd round pick as compensation?  Is that to promote retention?  

There's some sort of formula using the value of the new contract of lost free agents relative to his position that determines the round for your compensatory pick. 

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3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How is compensation assigned?  We lose a former first round pick and now highest paid db in football, and get a 3rd round pick as compensation?  Is that to promote retention?  

Here's a link to this year and there's some more explanation in the hyperlinks depending on how deep in the weeds you want to go.

https://overthecap.com/2021-compensatory-draft-picks-update-4-29-2020/

And it doesn't promote retention, IMO.  If anything it promotes an active market as teams now can plan for getting something back for losing a high priced FA.

 

Cowboys are signing another corner, Daryl Worley. New defensive scheme probably prefers different types and they may be looking to use a couple of guys for trade bate.

1 hour ago, DougO said:

Cowboys are signing another corner, Daryl Worley. New defensive scheme probably prefers different types and they may be looking to use a couple of guys for trade bate.

I remember his song “a good day to run”

Looks like we're the only team predicted to get 4 comp picks

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34 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

Link to Lamb changing his mind to wear 88?

 

 

26 minutes ago, RexWilson said:

I wouldn't mind Dalton as a qb backup 

Cowboys probably don't have enough salary cap room to sign Andy Dalton...

What does this mean for Dez?  Can the X be thrown up with a different number? 38 maybe?

Dez can be our 4th or 5th WR if need be. Making minimum. About what he brings to the table.

5 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Dez can be our 4th or 5th WR if need be. Making minimum. About what he brings to the table.

It was that kind of thinking that eventually led us to drag Jason Witten's corpse around for 16 games last season. 

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5 hours ago, RexWilson said:

I wouldn't mind Dalton as a qb backup 

I would too, but read Jax and NE are considered a possible landing spots with better paths to starts and probably more money to spend.

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Could have had TJ Watt..... but he wasn't a "scheme fit".  JFC.  Rumors of attitude issues.

 

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6 hours ago, jeevsie said:

Link to Lamb changing his mind to wear 88?

Jerruh told him about the death of his best gloryhole buddy from Arkansas. 

 

Yes... this is actually true. 

Gotta live up to the hype!

Better start doing lots of cocaine
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1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

 

 

Trade but not cut..... no cap savings to cut and 35 million in dead cap but I will say that Roseman does a good job of structuring deals with all sort of options and escalators which protect the organization along the way.

2 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

 

Again, devil is in the details.  Yes, they can "trade", not cut, and it would need to be post June 1st and they'd have to find another team willing to take on his number (For Rodgers, maybe not that hard to imagine), but GB would still have a bigger dead cap number than savings.  Probably makes more sense to trade him after 2020 and designate post June 1st whereby dead cap red  Crazy to think Rodgers salary is technically 1.5 million this season (got a huge signing bonus).  But yea, the takeaway is apt.... if structured correctly, these contracts don't have to kill your org for 4-5 years if they don't pan out.

 

5 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

 

 

What if they cut him?  Obviously trading just makes the money someone else’s debt. 

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What if they cut him?  Obviously trading just makes the money someone else’s debt. 

Can't cut him.  Before June 1st it would be almost 60 million in negative cap savings and 77 million in dead cap.  After June 1st, it would be 25.5 million in negative cap and over 44 million in dead cap.  Realistically, they wouldn't be able to cut him until after the 2021 season as a post-June 1st transaction.

And that’s the thing. If dak signs a big contract and doesn’t perform to it, nobody will be willing to trade for him and the contract. And Dallas won’t be able to cut him for years. If he does perform to it, you don’t want to trade or cut him.  
why should the team be taking all the risk here?

there’s no longer an offer on the table for dak; he will play on the tag.  in 2020 it will be painfully obvious that wentz is far better, and jones will play at least as well while showing immense promise.  and we will again miss the playoffs.  dak won’t end up getting the money his greedy, fraudulent, worthless ass thinks he was entitled to.  

I have won.  eat it. 

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3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

And that’s the thing. If dak signs a big contract and doesn’t perform to it, nobody will be willing to trade for him and the contract. And Dallas won’t be able to cut him for years. If he does perform to it, you don’t want to trade or cut him.  
why should the team be taking all the risk here?

Huh?  How is the team taking all the risk here?  Any contract is a balance or an assessment of risk and reward or production.

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19 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

Really like this signing.  Hopefully he never has to play other than V formation, but a quality QB and supposedly a really solid guy who starts the 2nd stage of his career which will, I would think, propel him into coaching.

In before idiots say “cowboys finally have a good starter QB” or “better than Dak”.

This is a great signing. And from FA through the Draft to this signing this just goes to show you the mentality of this group has changed. Finally a guy you don’t have to worry about if Dak gets hurt.

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Also...... if he has to play, let's hope it's at home.  Gotta think Rush is probably gone and DiNucci to the PS, unless Cooper balls out with little to no preseason.

 

finally a proven starter at qb, a true #1.  better than fucking dak.  if he gets to play this season he isn’t coming out. 

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8 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I would think most qb ratings are better indoors.

You'd be surprised.  Brady is a lot better outside and Rodgers is a little better.  Manning was slightly better indoors while Brees is greatly better.  Dalton's difference is more like Brees.

 

24 minutes ago, Drew said:

In before idiots say “cowboys finally have a good starter QB” or “better than Dak”.

This is a great signing. And from FA through the Draft to this signing this just goes to show you the mentality of this group has changed. Finally a guy you don’t have to worry about if Dak gets hurt.

Not better by any means (again, not a single person other than futureman would say that and he’s just trolling), but I like our backup qb situation as much as anyone’s in the league right now. Plus, the last time dalton had 3 good wrs (green, Marvin Jones, and Sanu) and a running game, he was a pretty decent qb. We can absolutely win games with Dalton if it comes down to it. This is not Brandon Weedon or Matt Cassell. 

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