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13 minutes ago, 3adays said:

Nationalities  of those on the flight:

82 Iranian citizens.
63 Canadian citizens.
11 Ukrainian citizens (two passengers and nine crew).
10 Swedish citizens.
Four Afghan citizens.
Three British citizens.
Three German citizens.

got a source?

4 minutes ago, futureman said:

got a source?

Ukraine Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko

CNN now reporting that Iran has officially stated that they will not release the black box to the US and Boeing.

I'm leaning towards accidental shoot-down.

22 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

CNN now reporting that Iran has officially stated that they will not release the black box to the US and Boeing.

I'm leaning towards accidental shoot-down.

Smart money

Shrapnel damage?

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2 hours ago, Eastwood said:

CNN now reporting that Iran has officially stated that they will not release the black box to the US and Boeing.

I'm leaning towards accidental shoot-down.

or they were carrying explosive cargo that ignited. 

 

9 hours ago, clapclapclap said:

 

Alternate theory (unconfirmed):  

Amazon Fire Cube   "Oopsie!"

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There will be cockpit transmissions to ATC broadcast in the open air with a fire and descent like that. Open pan-pan and mayday calls with a discussion of what happened. That should already be known by international authorities.

Interesting. Interesting.

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2 hours ago, Digdogger said:

Sean Connery is looking good 

Needs more bullets...

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58 minutes ago, Pasken said:

or they were carrying explosive cargo that ignited. 

 

Drummer for Spinal Tap?

Lotta signs point to a shoot down.

And Ukraine International flies all relatively new 737-800s.  Now, the flights are a shitshow, with people getting up and walking around like it's a lounge car, kids raising hell, all that.  Really hot Ukrainian FAs, though.  I know this because my family and I flew that carrier from Kyiv to Yerevan.  Really crappy flight, and baggage handlers in Kyiv rifled through and stole shit outta my daughter's bag.  But shit, this is bad news.  Particularly as it was a westerner-heavy flight.  

Definitely looks like it was shot down. Assuming this was an accident it is kind of surprising. The last ping FlightRadar received had the plane at ~7,000 ft. where it had just begun to turn right from runway heading. This plane had just taken off. Did they think a US military plane was taking off from inside Iran? 

The Canadian contingent most likely Iranian immigrants / naturalized Canadian citizens. I’d be surprised if there were any maple syrup / molson drinkers on the plane. 
 

probably Zoroastrians. J/k about that part. 

24 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

The Canadian contingent most likely Iranian immigrants / naturalized Canadian citizens. I’d be surprised if there were any maple syrup / molson drinkers on the plane. 
 

probably Zoroastrians. J/k about that part. 

You must be unfamiliar with the ayatollah of rocknrolla 

53 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Needs more bullets...

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Most things in here don't react too well to bullets.

28 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

The Canadian contingent most likely Iranian immigrants / naturalized Canadian citizens. I’d be surprised if there were any maple syrup / molson drinkers on the plane. 
 

probably Zoroastrians. J/k about that part. 

Freddie Mercury’s cousins?

On a related note, do not forget the US Navy had an itchy trigger finger 30+ years ago when one of our missile ships in the Gulf shot down an Iranian passenger airliner during the Reagan administration. The US admitted fault, apologized, then paid the families a settlement.

7 minutes ago, Iowa Horn said:

Most things in here don't react too well to bullets.

You parle ruski.

Did they think it was a drone attack from us responding to their attack on our US base in Iraq? 

Who did they have commanding the AA unit, the same Russian who shot down that plane in Ukraine?

5 hours ago, Lat22 said:


Snowbirds in Iran.

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3 hours ago, CHEF DIESEL said:

There will be cockpit transmissions to ATC broadcast in the open air with a fire and descent like that. Open pan-pan and mayday calls with a discussion of what happened. That should already be known by international authorities.

Interesting. Interesting.

Per NY Times:

Mr. Abedzadeh said the airliner had not contacted the control tower about an emergency.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-boeing-ukraine.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

The more I'm hearing from these FAA types on the news channels the more this sounds like a shoot down.

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You must be unfamiliar with the ayatollah of rocknrolla 

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12 hours ago, Digdogger said:

Sean Connery is looking good 

"Your mom's magic carpet ride looked good last night, Trebek."

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Absolutely shot down

Yes. If there ends up being any evidence that it was due to plane/pilot error, Iran will release it.

Yeah so Iran instantly knew it was an engine malfunction yet they never talked to ATC once the event started?  The debris field looks a little too scattered for an engine failure and pancake crash.  And of course the timing.  And no release of CVR/Black box.  And what looks like holes in the rudder.  
 

I’m assuming if it was a short range, heat seeking, blast fragmentation warhead then it’d likely take out an engine and start a massive fire on the way down along with peppering the control surfaces which pictures seem to support...MH17 was knocked down by a preformed blast warhead as well: https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/media/attachment/2018/7/10/3ae49217f73breport_mh17_crash_appendix_nlr.pdf

Or maybe South Austin’s mom gets her lithium ion dildo batteries from Iran and her options to get them home are limited.  

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1 hour ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Allegedly SA-15 pieces have been found in the suburbs of Tehran. They probably shot it down. 

where you getting this from?

13 hours ago, Iowa Horn said:

Most things in here don't react too well to bulletsesch.

fify

Politics aside, it always is very disturbing to reflect on how terrifying it must have been for all the unfortunate people on doomed airplanes. Extremely scary.

RIP to all.

The TOR II AA missile debris would likely be miles from the crash site as the aircraft flew a considerable distance in miles before crashing.

3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:
10 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Honestly, IMO not a real news site. Still rumors IMO.

Two things:

1. I never said it was anything more than rumors. 

2.  There aren’t a lot of real news sites anymore. 

14 hours ago, Homercles said:

Yeah so Iran instantly knew it was an engine malfunction yet they never talked to ATC once the event started?  The debris field looks a little too scattered for an engine failure and pancake crash.  And of course the timing.  And no release of CVR/Black box.  And what looks like holes in the rudder.  
 

I’m assuming if it was a short range, heat seeking, blast fragmentation warhead then it’d likely take out an engine and start a massive fire on the way down along with peppering the control surfaces which pictures seem to support...MH17 was knocked down by a preformed blast warhead as well: https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/media/attachment/2018/7/10/3ae49217f73breport_mh17_crash_appendix_nlr.pdf

Or maybe South Austin’s mom gets her lithium ion dildo batteries from Iran and her options to get them home are limited.  

There's a very small chance this was an IR missile. 

11 minutes ago, Assman said:

There's a very small chance this was an IR missile. 

Well you’d certainly know more than me, so can you elaborate?

10 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Well you’d certainly know more than me, so can you elaborate?

Just knowing the region, country in question, and the early reports, this is probably going to be a short or medium range radar-guided system (SA-6/8/11/13/14/15 etc) or it could be one of their house-made systems.  Iran has a pretty robust IADS so there's really no telling but the chances of it being a run of the mill MANPAD are low I'd say.

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