December 12, 20205 yr Iād pay good money to watch Carthage face Canadian.Ā Carthage would kill them -- they're just waaaay too big. Canadian is like a mini-Carthage. I'd like to see Carthage-Argyle.
December 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, TreatyOak said: I've been watching Westlake for many years and this is one of the best defenses we've ever fielded. We gave up 20 point this regular season and most of the scores were garbage time. Last night, CedarĀ Ridge (who had 6 yards of offense in the middle of the 3rd quarter) scored on a very beautiful long ballĀ against our backups and ran back a QB fumble at the end. I predictĀ weĀ advance through the playoffs up until a meeting w North Shore in the semi's and then lose a close one. If we had been lucky to go D2, it's another state championship. However, Smithson Valley has a good sports program overall and it's the playoffs and anything can happen-Just ask Lake Travis.Ā Ā @NIUHuskies Agree with all this. This may be the best overall Westlake team since we moved out here 6 years ago. Kinda sucks the difference between a state title and no state title is which of the crappy teams in our district get into the playoffs. They should rank all the teams in the state that made the playoffs and the top half to div 1 and lower half to div 2 rather than just ranking the 4 in the district. There were games this year that westlake should have lost on purpose to fall to div 2. That's a bad system.
December 12, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, blacklab said: Agree with all this. This may be the best overall Westlake team since we moved out here 6 years ago. Kinda sucks the difference between a state title and no state title is which of the crappy teams in our district get into the playoffs. They should rank all the teams in the state that made the playoffs and the top half to div 1 and lower half to div 2 rather than just ranking the 4 in the district. There were games this year that westlake should have lost on purpose to fall to div 2. That's a bad system. Donāt see how you do this without implementing a statewide seeding system like for the NCAA tournament and that opens up a massive can of worms. Ā A UIL committee awarding the last number one seed and trying to decide between North Shire and Southlake? We donāt need that discussion. You couldnāt maintain the geography basedĀ regional system.
December 12, 20205 yr Yeah, didn't think about that. Guess they could do it by region without too much disruption.
December 12, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, blacklab said: Agree with all this. This may be the best overall Westlake team since we moved out here 6 years ago. Kinda sucks the difference between a state title and no state title is which of the crappy teams in our district get into the playoffs. They should rank all the teams in the state that made the playoffs and the top half to div 1 and lower half to div 2 rather than just ranking the 4 in the district. There were games this year that westlake should have lost on purpose to fall to div 2. That's a bad system. They don't rank for playoffs though, totally based on enrollment of top four teams in each district. Largest 2 go DI.Ā Much harder to contrive getting larger school in just to drop down.
December 12, 20205 yr Sorry my post wasn't clear This: Quote They should rank all the teams in the state that made the playoffs and the top half to div 1 and lower half to div 2 rather than just ranking the 4 in the district. Should have said rank by enrollment and biggest half go to div 1 and smaller half go to div 2
December 12, 20205 yr 16 hours ago, Scholz said: RR has a big ass team saw them play Yeah, I just watched some of it.Ā RR has a good RB, a very big QB, and a huge OL.Ā LT looked very small, and had two starters out on defense.Ā RR scored TDs on a flea-flicker which was wiiiiide open and a pass to an eligible lineman who was wide open.Ā Ā
December 12, 20205 yr 42 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: A UIL committee awarding the last number one seed and trying to decide between North Shire and Southlake? I don't think Westlake can beat North Shore, but they can definitely take North Shire even if Rudy is still eligible.
December 12, 20205 yr 39 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said: They don't rank for playoffs though, totally based on enrollment of top four teams in each district. Largest 2 go DI.Ā Much harder to contrive getting larger school in just to drop down. They only do this in 6AĀ 31 minutes ago, blacklab said: Sorry my post wasn't clear This: Should have said rank by enrollment and biggest half go to div 1 and smaller half go to div 2 5A and below splits division 1 and 2 when realignment occurs every 2 years.Ā This limits the huge enrollment disparities for the most part.Ā Ā Hopefully they will do this for 6A soon.Ā Allen (6959) is literally 3x the enrollment of Little Elm (2269) and they're in the same district which is ridiculous.Ā
December 12, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Dennis Taylor said: They only do this in 6AĀ 5A and below splits division 1 and 2 when realignment occurs every 2 years.Ā This limits the huge enrollment disparities for the most part.Ā Ā Hopefully they will do this for 6A soon.Ā Allen (6959) is literally 3x the enrollment of Little Elm (2269) and they're in the same district which is ridiculous.Ā I was just about to post this. Ā And really the UIL should consider making another class because even with the realignment splits, there are still some disparities. Ā
December 12, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said: I was just about to post this. Ā And really the UIL should consider making another class because even with the realignment splits, there are still some disparities. Ā Allen is 1420 students larger than the 2nd biggest school in the state. That gap is the enrollment of Princeton HS, a 5A Division 2 school.Ā Ā
December 12, 20205 yr Ā But are there enough super schools to make a 7a work? Ā Seems like the real giants are limited to a few dozen around the major metro areas. Ā
December 12, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said: They only do this in 6AĀ 5A and below splits division 1 and 2 when realignment occurs every 2 years.Ā This limits the huge enrollment disparities for the most part.Ā Ā Hopefully they will do this for 6A soon.Ā Allen (6959) is literally 3x the enrollment of Little Elm (2269) and they're in the same district which is ridiculous.Ā Well,Ā Allen is just cheating by not building another high school. TheĀ Plano schools are the only schools in the stateĀ even in the realm of their enrollment and Allen still has 2k more kids than Plano High.
December 12, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: Ā But are there enough super schools to make a 7a work? Ā Seems like the real giants are limited to a few dozen around the major metro areas. Ā Probably not, there arenāt 20 schools in the state with an enrollment over 4k, AndĀ probably around only 30 schools over 3500.
December 12, 20205 yr Seems like an easier solution would be to just createĀ an enrollment cap. You can be put in a district and play a regular season, but youāre not eligible for the playoffs. See how fast a new school opens. Didnāt Judson use to have a red and blue campus? A lot of these schools have all the infrastructure in place, they just donāt want to split. Ā Ā
December 12, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said: Well,Ā Allen is just cheating by not building another high school. TheĀ Plano schools are the only schools in the stateĀ even in the realm of their enrollment and Allen still has 2k more kids than Plano High. Something should be done with Allen but I'm not sure what it is... if their constituency doesn't force a change i guess they'll keep getting larger. Is that area close to being built out at all?Ā Not that something like that would possibly impact football... Edited December 12, 20205 yr by Dennis Taylor
December 12, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said: Something should be done with Allen but I'm not sure what it is... if their constituency doesn't force a change i guess they'll keep getting larger. Is that area close to being built out at all?Ā Not that something like that would possibly impact football... Allen is still growing as far as I know. But I donāt think theyāre going to build another high school unless theyāre forced to.
December 12, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Helobious said: Region 4 thunderdome. Johnson is gonna win it, then lose by 100 to Katy.
December 12, 20205 yr Allen is still growing as far as I know. But I donāt think theyāre going to build another high school unless theyāre forced to.Eventually it will happen. It took Judson a decade or more to realize this and accept the inevitable. During that span Iām sure a few school board members lost their slots suggesting it needed to be done. What will ultimately drive it is once a coalition of parents see their kids not getting a shot at participating in UIL or other school sponsored activities because the limited capacity those endeavors can take will be maxed out . Football will be the last affected, but damn I canāt imagine trying out for baseball or basketball at a school that large. Mine was 1800 when I graduated and it was a challenge to dwindle down those rosters. Have to think a number Allen kids get cut or ride the pine who could start at a number of other schools. I think another thing that helped Judson see the writing is once Rutledge retired, the Rockets lost a little luster which made easier to break up the school. Some thought the run and dominance was over and might as well let the change occur and adjust.
December 12, 20205 yr Well,Ā Allen is just cheating by not building another high school. TheĀ Plano schools are the only schools in the stateĀ even in the realm of their enrollment and Allen still has 2k more kids than Plano High.Meanwhile in Frisco High School #12 is being built, and attendance zones revised for the 14th time in the last 16 years.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
December 12, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said: Eventually it will happen. It took Judson a decade or more to realize this and accept the inevitable. During that span Iām sure a few school board members lost their slots suggesting it needed to be done. What will ultimately drive it is once a coalition of parents see their kids not getting a shot at participating in UIL or other school sponsored activities because the limited capacity those endeavors can take will be maxed out . Football will be the last affected, but damn I canāt imagine trying out for baseball or basketball at a school that large. Mine was 1800 when I graduated and it was a challenge to dwindle down those rosters. Have to think a number Allen kids get cut or ride the pine who could start at a number of other schools. I think another thing that helped Judson see the writing is once Rutledge retired, the Rockets lost a little luster which made easier to break up the school. Some thought the run and dominance was over and might as well let the change occur and adjust. I don't know if the school breakup is why MacAuliffe left but he probably should have done more homework on the Cy Ranch/CFISD situation.Ā Johnson left Ranch because Bridgeland changed the zones so much and Ranch got bounced by Klein Oak last night in the first round after doing it in the second last year. Parents aren't happy about that.Ā CFISD hasn't cared in the past about building new school and changing attendance zones the way Katy ISD never cuts into Big Red. Cy Fair HS went 1-19 the first 2 years after Cy Woods opened.Ā
December 13, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said: Seems like an easier solution would be to just createĀ an enrollment cap. You can be put in a district and play a regular season, but youāre not eligible for the playoffs. See how fast a new school opens. Didnāt Judson use to have a red and blue campus? A lot of these schools have all the infrastructure in place, they just donāt want to split. Ā Ā I like this.Ā Ā Of course your community can either go the Frisco route, adding schools with the mad population growth and keeping them within reason at the 5A level... or go mega school bigger than some colleges.Ā Should you go mega school, however, you're fucked when it comes to athletics. Ā Gets kind of dicey there, to be honest, dictating what a community can and cannot do in that realm..Ā As a guy who played both 5A( now 6A) level and 2A level football, I have a hard time feeling sorry for any school with 2100 kids crying about talent levels.Ā Throw in the Lufkin/ Longview type programs from East Texas who seemingly find a way to be competitive, and it adds to my reluctance to be sympathetic.
December 13, 20205 yr I think they should make a rule that any school over XĀ enrollment needs to have 2 football teams, and split the team by even/odd social security numbers or A-L and M-Z last names. X should probably be around 1.5-2 times the 6a cutoff. I'd also be fine if X =Ā (Allen's enrollment - 1) The two teams I follow are Westlake and Lampasas. Westlake has around 2500 kids and Lampasas around 1000. The difference in talent is immense. But in a few weeks Westlake will probably play North Shore with 4500 kids.Ā
December 13, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, blacklab said: I think they should make a rule that any school over XĀ enrollment needs to have 2 football teams, and split the team by even/odd social security numbers or A-L and M-Z last names. X should probably be around 1.5-2 times the 6a cutoff. I'd also be fine if X =Ā (Allen's enrollment - 1) The two teams I follow are Westlake and Lampasas. Westlake has around 2500 kids and Lampasas around 1000. The difference in talent is immense. But in a few weeks Westlake will probably play North Shore with 4500 kids.Ā I like this. Ā I was thinking about how to implement it without schools making an A/B team and under resourcing the B team but your solution would work.Ā
December 13, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, slorch said: I like this.Ā Ā Of course your community can either go the Frisco route, adding schools with the mad population growth and keeping them within reason at the 5A level... or go mega school bigger than some colleges.Ā Should you go mega school, however, you're fucked when it comes to athletics. Ā Gets kind of dicey there, to be honest, dictating what a community can and cannot do in that realm..Ā As a guy who played both 5A( now 6A) level and 2A level football, I have a hard time feeling sorry for any school with 2100 kids crying about talent levels.Ā Throw in the Lufkin/ Longview type programs from East Texas who seemingly find a way to be competitive, and it adds to my reluctance to be sympathetic. I donāt think youāre telling a community what they can and canāt do in that realm. Ā We have an upper and lower attendance figure in every class except 6A, Ā no one says itās not fair that Judson canāt choose to play in 5A. You would just be saying āthis is the size of school eligible for the 6A championship. You want to play, we will find you games. But if you go bigger than number X, unfortunately there are not enough schools in that size range to create a championship series.ā
December 13, 20205 yr The two teams I follow are Westlake and Lampasas. Westlake has around 2500 kids and Lampasas around 1000. The difference in talent is immense. But in a few weeks Westlake will probably play North Shore with 4500 kids.Ā Out of curiosity what's your tie to Lampasas?
December 13, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Had Enough said: Out of curiosity what's your tie to Lampasas? He said he summers there iirc.
December 13, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, Had Enough said: Out of curiosity what's your tie to Lampasas? We don't need no stinkin badgers
December 14, 20205 yr On 12/12/2020 at 3:06 PM, 956 Worldwide said: Seems like an easier solution would be to just createĀ an enrollment cap. You can be put in a district and play a regular season, but youāre not eligible for the playoffs. See how fast a new school opens. Didnāt Judson use to have a red and blue campus? A lot of these schools have all the infrastructure in place, they just donāt want to split. Ā Ā Red and gray,Ā 9th and 10th one campus, 11th and 12th the other campus.
December 14, 20205 yr Allen will never build another high school. They just built a 36 mil STEAM center. When that was built any and all rumors of a second high school were shut down. They are committed to this system. We toured the HS a few years ago and the programs they offer kids are insane, it operates likeĀ a college and rivals some of the best with their academic and extra circular facilities.Ā Lovejoy wanted to be annexed into Allen ISD, but the community voted against it in the early 2000s. So lovejoy passed a bond and built their own high school in 2006. Allen peopleĀ say Lovejoy is their second high school.Ā
December 14, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said: Red and gray,Ā 9th and 10th one campus, 11th and 12th the other campus. I think they still had to count both in their total high school numbers?Ā Ā
December 14, 20205 yr Just now, Nueces River Rat said: I think they still had to count both in their total high school numbers?Ā Ā Yes they do. A lot of big schools have this model. Or they have freshman campus's.Ā
December 14, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, CoachEmUp64 said: Yes they do. A lot of big schools have this model. Or they have freshman campus's.Ā Freshmen campuses used to be more common back in my day, even in smaller ISD's.Ā Ā Ā
December 14, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said: I think they still had to count both in their total high school numbers?Ā Ā yes, it's all feeders 9th grade and above.Ā The actual campus set-up is irrelevant.
December 14, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, CoachEmUp64 said: Allen will never build another high school. They just built a 36 mil STEAM center. When that was built any and all rumors of a second high school were shut down. They are committed to this system. We toured the HS a few years ago and the programs they offer kids are insane, it operates likeĀ a college and rivals some of the best with their academic and extra circular facilities.Ā Lovejoy wanted to be annexed into Allen ISD, but the community voted against it in the early 2000s. So lovejoy passed a bond and built their own high school in 2006. Allen peopleĀ say Lovejoy is their second high school.Ā I've heard it's pretty remarkable and one of it's kind.Ā Ā If they can keep going, more power to them.Ā I just think sometime down the road (10 or 20+ years) the numbers and changing attitudes will eventually require further examination and at that time it will be interesting to see how community reacts.Ā Ā What occurred in the Judson ISD did not occur overnight and was really a decade or more overdue and like I noted, it cost some their jobs while advocation the inevitable.Ā Ā Had they done what Allen did, they still might be a one high school ISD.Ā But then again, Allen has done something that is a first of it's kind in Texas if not the nation.Ā Ā It will be interesting if the next big growth area with an ISD with one high school right now will take the playbook from Allen and run with it.Ā Ā
December 14, 20205 yr 27 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said: I've heard it's pretty remarkable and one of it's kind.Ā Ā If they can keep going, more power to them.Ā I just think sometime down the road (10 or 20+ years) the numbers and changing attitudes will eventually require further examination and at that time it will be interesting to see how community reacts.Ā Ā What occurred in the Judson ISD did not occur overnight and was really a decade or more overdue and like I noted, it cost some their jobs while advocation the inevitable.Ā Ā Had they done what Allen did, they still might be a one high school ISD.Ā But then again, Allen has done something that is a first of it's kind in Texas if not the nation.Ā Ā It will be interesting if the next big growth area with an ISD with one high school right now will take the playbook from Allen and run with it.Ā Ā Allen is pretty much built out. That's not to say it's not still growing because it is. It also has the smallest district lines in DFW.Ā If there's one school in the area that I can see go the Allen Model it's Celina. Because of their history and the importance they put on sports, specifically football. But Celina ISD is massive. It's one of the biggest in NTX. So that would be a challenge. At Celina's growth rate I guess we'll see what route they goĀ in the next 5-10 years.Ā
December 14, 20205 yr 53 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said: I think they still had to count both in their total high school numbers?Ā Ā I can't remember how it worked now, but think part of it wasn't on the up and up.
December 14, 20205 yr That's a real shame.Ā I watched some of the Jim Ned game, and it really looked to me like Art's nutritional supplementation program was really starting to work on his team.Ā Ā
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