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Fort Bend County Sherriff's Deputy Kills Deputy Constable

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1 hour ago, WBT said:

Call comes in about a suspicious person running down the street (guess I shouldn't be jogging at night?).  For some reason they broke into a vacant house and one accidentally shot the other.  

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/29/fort-bend-county-sheriffs-office-deputy-accidentally-shoots-another-deputy-in-missouri-city-fbcso/

Karen strikes again 

Strange ending to the story linked above

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Statements are being taken by the deputies on the scene. Deputies said two Texas Rangers and deputies at the scene will be placed on administrative leave pending further investigation.

 

damn, 5 kids w/o dad now.  

maybe have some protocol in place where not every random deputy in the county responds to a jogger.

Maybe its just semantics, but the word accidental seems to be used incorrectly in this case. Didn't the one deputy purposefully pull the trigger? Shooting his fellow law enforcement officer is a mistake not an accident.

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Maybe its just semantics, but the word accidental seems to be used incorrectly in this case. Didn't the one deputy purposefully pull the trigger? Shooting his fellow law enforcement officer is a mistake not an accident.

Not sure its entirely semantic.  Accident is a pretty broad term that encompasses any unintended consequence.  Generally, it has no significance in the law.  There is something in the law called an "unavoidable accident," and that means an unintended consequence where fault cannot be assigned because of a very unusual set of circumstances.

There is a recurring question in the law as to whether "intentional" means intended to engage in the act or intended the act to result in the outcome.  Most of the time, it's the former.

So, it's not an accidental discharge.  He intentionally pulled the trigger.  He did not intend to shoot an "innocent" person.  He was reckless or negligent in ascertaining his target before intentionally pulling the trigger.  It's fair to call it an accident overall, but that has no legal significance.

Fun with mental states!

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7 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Strange ending to the story linked above

 

The live news report said that 2 Texas Rangers were on scene leading the investigation and taking statements.  It seems like that message got garbled in the write-up for the website.

hmmm...weird. i just keep thinking about the hpd shoot-out where 2 innocent people lost their lives. carry on.

5 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

which one was fucking the other's wife?

If you're ruling out this scenario, you are doing so WAY too soon.

Now we are getting somewhere. Let dumbass LEO's shoot each other and leave citizens out of it. 

Constables are worthless anyway 

Some details from the officers via the link, that make this seem like just a really crappy situation due to lack communication between responding departments.

 

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Officials said they received a call for a vacant property check-in at Sienna Plantation after a neighbor called and said she saw someone running down the street, though it was suspicious. Officials said three deputies responded, as well as a deputy with Pct 4.

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the deputy with Fort Bend Sheriff’s Office and a deputy with the Fort Bend Precinct 4 Constable’s Office were clearing a house together when the FBCSO deputy accidentally shot the deputy from the constable’s office.

 

So let me get this straight. Possible suspects in a vacant house are shot on sight? 8 out of 10 times its gonna be some local kids just getting into mischief. If you are that scared and jumpy, maybe law enforcement isn't for you.

CHIEF

1 hour ago, UT_OB1 said:

Some details from the officers via the link, that make this seem like just a really crappy situation due to lack communication between responding departments.

 

 

Accident my ass. That was a warning for the constables to leave the FBCSO territory alone. Just a good ole fashioned gangland turf battle.

1 hour ago, CHIEF said:

So let me get this straight. Possible suspects in a vacant house are shot on sight? 8 out of 10 times its gonna be some local kids just getting into mischief. If you are that scared and jumpy, maybe law enforcement isn't for you.

CHIEF

Yes, shooting someone without ID'ing them is concerning, but sadly to be expected when they are training that everyone is potentially an enemy and the situation is like clearing homes in a war zone as opposed to a residential neighborhood.  

For those that actually care, he was a good man with a kind heart. He never met a stranger and was exactly the kind of guy you'd want to show up in uniform if you were in need. Lots of people on this site have problems with the current state of policing, but officers like him are part of the solution, not the problem. He will be dearly missed, and I'm hurting incredibly for his family right now.

9 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, it's not an accidental discharge.  He intentionally pulled the trigger.  He did not intend to shoot an "innocent" person.  He was reckless or negligent in ascertaining his target before intentionally pulling the trigger.  It's fair to call it an accident overall, but that has no legal significance.

You sure it was a “he”? My money is on the other side. 

4 minutes ago, Lat22 said:

You sure it was a “he”? My money is on the other side. 

Just ASSumed.  You have a valid point.

Seems a bit extreme but I guess it's one way to get more funding for training in the county.

1 hour ago, UT_OB1 said:

Yes, shooting someone without ID'ing them is concerning, but sadly to be expected when they are training that everyone is potentially an enemy and the situation is like clearing homes in a war zone as opposed to a residential neighborhood.  

When even nice suburban Ft. Bend county is "FALLUJAH!  IT'S A WAR ON COPS OUT THERE!," yes, this crap is inevitable.  Show up treating every single moment of the day as a potential gunfight.....well, you'll end up in a gunfight right soon.

He went from being a detective with seniority to a deputy constable? There's more to that story.

3 hours ago, CHIEF said:

So let me get this straight. Possible suspects in a vacant house are shot on sight? 8 out of 10 times its gonna be some local kids just getting into mischief. If you are that scared and jumpy, maybe law enforcement isn't for you.

CHIEF

Do you even war on cops, bro?

Maybe it's the cynic in me but my first thought is that deputy wanted him dead for a reason and it wasn't an accident.

6 hours ago, CHIEF said:

So let me get this straight. Possible suspects in a vacant house are shot on sight? 8 out of 10 times its gonna be some local kids just getting into mischief. If you are that scared and jumpy, maybe law enforcement isn't for you.

CHIEF

 

4 fucking cops responding to a karen's call about 'someone' running down the street ???

 

wtf ????

3 hours ago, RPM said:

He went from being a detective with seniority to a deputy constable? There's more to that story.

Good point that something must have happened in his last job but that doesn’t mean the shooting had anything to do with it.

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Good point that something must have happened in his last job but that doesn’t mean the shooting had anything to do with it.

Just an unusual career move and it was within the county. Like I said, there's more to that story.

also, the call was a 'person' walking around a construction site and running down the street ?

why the fuck were the cops walking around wanting to shoot someone ?

4 hours ago, RPM said:

He went from being a detective with seniority to a deputy constable? There's more to that story.

Maybe he got demoted for constantly getting shot.

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

why the fuck were the cops walking around wanting to shoot someone ?

because they're cops?

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