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Eh, this is nothing. Imagine what the protests at Confederate statues would look like in 2020, if the Confederates had won.

Trump is going to name them all after himself and his family, isn't he? 

26 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Trump is going to name them all after himself and his family, isn't he? 

dude, why did you have to put that out there? now that's exactly what he's going to do.

17 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

Supposedly there is not a single statue of Cortes anywhere in Mexico. Even though a bazillion of the Nahuatl speakers helped him whoop up on the Mexica.

Maximilian, oddly, gets some sympathy. Or maybe not so oddly-- he went to the firing squad because they wouldn't spare his staff officers. That's worthy of a corrido. Obviously fake Maximilian "gold" coins pop up as cool semi-historical keepsakes.

Columbus Day is celebrated in Mexico (or at least, in one Mexican primary school that I walked past after Columbus Day.) No fucks given.

I realize my answer is not clear, therefore it might be accurate.

 

I don't think this is accurate. 

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https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2018/01/29/a-lesson-from-mexico-how-to-forgive-historical-wrongs-to-do-right-in-the-present/

 

43 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Well I'll be hornswoggled-- it's been there since 1982.

Pretty funny they call Coyoacán a "village." It's an artsy-fartsy suburb where the girls grew monobrows.

I just got done reading a couple books on La Conquista, so it was fresh in my mind.  

So these monobrowed girls...were they hot?  You know, except for their monobrows?

2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

I was just commenting on this to a friend - Mexico's approach to its complex past is refreshing in its honesty.  Mexico is a nation of mestizos, of descendants of the conquerors and the conquered (neither of whom was pure evil or squeaky clean).  And at least in various museums and such that we visited a couple of years ago, that was acknowledged, and the approach was much like some of the thoughts quoted in that article:

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he famed Mexican writer Octavio Paz disagreed: “The hatred of Cortés is not hatred of Spain,” he said, “it is hatred of ourselves.” Writer Carlos Fuentes took the matter further: “I want to see Hernán Cortés in a Mexico City plaza so that we rid ourselves of this complex. There is no reason to negate the father, the mother, or the brother. We accept all that we are. I want to see a statue. I would love to. We are children of the prostitute, of the Conquistador, of la Malinche.” 

We are what we are, today.  We are a product of a messy, complex, history, and here we stand.  What matters most is where we go from here.

I think that kind of thinking has some real bearing on how we memorialize and discuss in the historical context the complex figures in our history who were also conquerors, slave-owners, and racist.  They are also our forefathers, and their work helped make us who we are, including many of the good things about us.  I see that as rather different than confederates who are memorialized primarily for their role as confederates -- that action was often purposeful in its aim to remind black people who was really boss, and the thing that is being memorialized is not really redeemable; they led a treasonous revolt for an odious cause.  But there are people who are important, and helped build and make America, who also happened to be confederates.  And they are memorialized for their accomplishments, not because they served the confederacy.

I would have liked us to have an honest and frank conversation about these sorts of things.  But alas, I think we opted out of that long ago.  So, here we are.

18 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So these monobrowed girls...were they hot?  You know, except for their monobrows?

In real life, probably not. When played by Salma, hell yeah.

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40 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

In real life, probably not. When played by Salma, hell yeah.

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Yes, I remember that scene.

Excuse me for a moment.  I'll be right back.

22 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Lol bitches.
 

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Easy fix with Fort Bragg.

 

Just put an "Mc" in front of the name and call it Fort McBragg, after Commander McBragg.

I’m sure Mike Leach will have a totally normal opinion on the matter and not look like a YouTube video from workwithseed.

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Whoa.

 

Trumpkins going to burn their SEC gear?  Going to be a lot of confused simpletons with this one. 

People who think Alabama and Mississippi are exactly alike can learn from this moment -- Bama cares marginally but enough more about football than racism to let the rebel flag and other Confederate iconography to fuck up recruiting. 

3 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Whoa.

 

I won't deny that driving around rural parts of Texas east of I-45 that you'll occasionally see a Confederate flag flying from some trailer park, but even as a white guy it's fucking creepy af to see the Mississippi state flag on poles at places of authority. I can't imagine what it'd be like to be Black and live in a state like that.

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Welp, this was bound to happen.

 

One event isn’t a big deal, but if it keeps up and more of the founding fathers go down, there is going be a popular support backlash 

Fucking Portland just fucking shit up to fuck it up now.

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It is weird it’s in Portland. 

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Lenin is still up in Seattle. That should definitely be on the list.

56 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It is weird it’s in Portland. 

When woke is too woke.

1 minute ago, maninblack said:

Lenin is still up in Seattle. That should definitely be on the list.

That wasn't put up as some kind memeorial.  Some dude bought it when statues started coming down in Russia.  It was always my understanding that its considered more a piece of art than a nod to Lenin. 

Maybe we should bring things full circle and sell our statues to the Russians.

15 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

That wasn't put up as some kind memeorial.  Some dude bought it when statues started coming down in Russia.  It was always my understanding that its considered more a piece of art than a nod to Lenin. 

Looked it up. That's amazing. The irony is so delicious. So the Russian people had to endure a century of famine and death largely in part to Lenin and they removed it and junked it. 

Now it's on display in Seattle. Maybe a Russian art dealer should display the Confederate statues.

43 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Looked it up. That's amazing. The irony is so delicious. So the Russian people had to endure a century of famine and death largely in part to Lenin and they removed it and junked it. 

Now it's on display in Seattle. Maybe a Russian art dealer should display the Confederate statues.

And here we are fretting about a group of people who have had to endure centuries of forced labor and racial discrimination in a country that likes to pat itself on the back for promoting liberty and equality.

Dude I'm not a statue protector. The only person that deserves a statue is the guy that invented yoga pants.

The irony is funny.

12 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Whoa.

 

idle threat. no championships go through mississippi

12 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Whoa.

 

My imagination is running wild with the idea of putting a change in flag up to a vote in that state. Would people vote to remove if it had college football implications? I think so.

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Welp, this was bound to happen.

 

There's a non-zero chance that "Fuck America and all it stands for" will be part of the 2020 Democratic platform.

3 hours ago, maninblack said:

Looked it up. That's amazing. The irony is so delicious. So the Russian people had to endure a century of famine and death largely in part to Lenin and they removed it and junked it. 

Now it's on display in Seattle. Maybe a Russian art dealer should display the Confederate statues.

Hungarians have been there, done that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_Park

16 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

There's a non-zero chance that "Fuck America and all it stands for" will be part of the 2020 Democratic platform.

I'll take that bet.

29 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

There's a non-zero chance that "Fuck America and all it stands for" will be part of the 2020 Democratic platform.

This is funny both because the GOP is just recycling the 2016 platform, which was basically "Fuck Obama," and also, they're actually doing the "Fuck American and all it stands for" stuff.

 

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I’d like to point out that supporting a racist piece of shit like Donald Trump is far worse than wanting to remove statues of literally anyone. 

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It is weird it’s in Portland. 

Portland can't even come up with its own deal, had to take it from Austin.

21 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Whoa.

 

I Would love to see Mississippi say "Fuck You" to the SEC.

Not because I like their flag. Their flag sucks. But just because that ultimatum was written, with no sense of irony, in the SEC offices in the middle of downtown Bombingham. In the same state which flies a cute "Not Confederate, it's the Saltire of Burgundy!" flag. Yeah, find me Burgundy on a map without using your phone, you chinless propped-up-by-mommydaddy drool-wipe KA. The same conference where, up until yesterday, Yee-haw perpetual choke-asses Georgia had they own Rebel Flag.

And yeah, Florida/Sakalina/Tennsee/Tucky/All the rest suck too. How much time you got? But at least we're not Ohio. Nor did we reintroduce slavery to Mexican territory. That'd be fucking degenerate. Neg me. I drink your negs like pickle juice. mmm, electrolytes.

Anyway, the only path of honor would be for Mississippi to change their flag, AND leave the SEC. It's actually pretty low-risk; who knows if football will ever make a dime again. If it does, they'd still suck in the SEC. Why not join some other conference where they become the world's tallest midget?

 

tldr: some asshole in Birmingham Alabama was giving lectures on racism.

10 hours ago, Message Board User said:

 

https://www-nbcbayarea-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/demonstrators-topple-statues-in-san-franciscos-golden-gate-park/2312839/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15926416062251&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcbayarea.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fsan-francisco%2Fdemonstrators-topple-statues-in-san-franciscos-golden-gate-park%2F2312839%2F

 

Several videos surfaced on social media Friday of statues of St. Junípero Serra, Ulysses S. Grant and Francis Scott Key being torn down in San Francisco’s Golden Gate Park.

Police say about 400 protesters arrived around 8:30 p.m. Police say they did not engage with them.

5 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

 

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Sure it wasn’t Louisiana?

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