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The cowboys are going to draft sanders. I knew 20 years ago Jerry values the cowboys brand over actual championships. I don't need to have him select shadeur in the 7th round to justify it. Jerry has done this before. For me this is like a slow motion wreck you know is about to happen yet can't look away. Jerry will draft him for the story lines and to put more eyeballs on his team. I think it's inevitable at this point. Brand > winning. 

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2 hours ago, Newy25 said:


I have a friend in the Bears organization that told me the story going around about Sanders is during an interview with a team, he asked them why he should play for their organization. Effectively demanding the team sell him on their franchise. It was do off putting that most teams simply removed him off their draft board entirely. 

The perception on Sanders is that he is so entitled that no one believes he will do the work and be patient enough to be an NFL QB. I’m sure his father retiring his jersey just played into that perception. Someone will take him but only as a flyer to see if he comes is without that entitlement. 

The story I read somewhere last night is that he flat out refused to do the homework of learning the plays Daboll/NYG gave him for the interview. 

Writing in an April 24 pre-draft edition of “The McShay Report,” NFL insider Todd McShay explained why the Giants soured on Sanders during the pre-draft process.

“A few months ago, the idea that Shedeur Sanders could fall out of the top 10 seemed inconceivable,” McShay wrote. “But with just a few hours until the draft kicks off in Green Bay, league sources I’ve spoken to are expecting him to slide. … I’ve heard from two different sources that his visit with head coach Brian Daboll did not go particularly well.

“The friction centered on some frustration between the two regarding Sanders’ preparation of an install package. It seems the interview process as a whole — beginning in Indianapolis, as I reported a few days after the Combine — has negatively affected the leaguewide perception of Sanders during the lead-up to this year’s draft.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/draft-expert-shedeur-sanders-meeting-giants-hc-brian-daboll/

 

So Dallas will draft Sanders to Moss the Giants 2X/ year.

Jerry chess.

1 hour ago, UpperWestside said:

Albert Breer is an access merchant and I am dubious of anything a paid shill says. Same with the Schefters of the world.

That said I am someone that thinks these interviews are ridiculous. We have seen in the past some of the insane questions they ask prospects. I have zero issue with any player that would allegedly tell a team they do not fit with them. If a team doesn’t want to take him they have that right as well. Sanders can play at the NFL level and he’ll find a fit somewhere. I am not a fan of his, but I don’t hate him either. He’s brash like his father and that rubs GM/control freaks the wrong way. We’ll see what team drafts him or failing that which team invites him as a free agent. 


Abdul Carter is also an elite prospect and football player. 

3 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


Abdul Carter is also an elite prospect and football player. 

Yep.  Papa sanders wouldn’t workout for certain teams.  Elite talent.  And also not a qb.  
 

 

not sure why the poster you responded to lashed out at Breer. 

The NFL is doing exactly what they should with a guy that comes with this many red flags.  Draft him low enough to where they can cut their losses cheaply if he winds up being a net negative to the team with entitlement and drama.  Someone like that drafted with a high pick is a coach/GM killer that sets a franchise back 5 years.

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2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yep.  Papa sanders wouldn’t workout for certain teams.  Elite talent.  And also not a qb.  
 

 

not sure why the poster you responded to lashed out at Breer. 

It's not lashing out. I just don't care about what someone says when that someone is a guy teams feed information to like what happens with Schefter. There are reporters and then there are access merchants like Breer. There is a difference.

9 hours ago, MrX said:

One, Shadeur Sanders was a very good and arguably great college QB. Two, from a talent perspective, he is a top 3 QB in this draft

One: He's the CU equivalent of Texas' James Brown, talent-wise; a good college QB who shook things up when a good program was down, surrounded by some talent that made him look better.

Two: Aww hell no. The only QB taken so far where you MIGHT claim he's better than is Milroe, and he's not as good as Ewers (anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football well; Ewers is falling because of his injury history, nothing more).

Just because a bunch of people SAY he's talented over and over doesn't make it true: Look up the Illusory Truth Effect.

5 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

It's not lashing out. I just don't care about what someone says when that someone is a guy teams feed information to like what happens with Schefter. There are reporters and then there are access merchants like Breer. There is a difference.

Who is a reporter?

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

I loved watching Manziel in the nfl

When did NFL owners and GMs get smart enough to avoid toxicity like Sanders?

Yet Johnny 8-ball went in the 1st Round

Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Who is a reporter?

Not Albert Breer. That much is certain.

Charles Robinson perhaps, but I do not read him enough to know for sure on that. I used to read him more years back. I know he still writes about the NFL for Yahoo. Who knows he could've joined the access merchant fleet as well.

2 hours ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

ESPN might put Mel Kiper out to pasture after this.

Kiper's not being paid to be correct nor level-headed. He's being paid to get people talking about his takes. From a "what ESPN wants" standpoint, he's having a career year. Why would they ditch him?

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

What exactly did Sanders do in the interviews to fuck things up so badly?

I've read 3 things:

  1. "Tell me why I should be a part of your organization..."
  2. General arrogant attitude
  3. Ill-prepared when given situational examples - Brian Daboll reportedly said that

While #1 and #2 are similar, #1 shows more entitlement than arrogance - and, yes, they are related.

edited to add...
I recently completed a job search.  For each and every interview I did, I was prepared, interested, and treated the panel like it was the most important role to me.  I answered all of the questions, did every followup, etc.  You never know when you'll run into these folks again, so always treat them like they are the most important thing for you at that time.  I believe Sanders did not do that and is not yet capable of doing that.

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4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

Not Albert Breer. That much is certain.

Charles Robinson perhaps, but I do not read him enough to know for sure on that. I used to read him more years back. I know he still writes about the NFL for Yahoo. Who knows he could've joined the access merchant fleet as well.

What’s the difference?  Like most media guys, Breers been pretty kind to Sanders.  He also worked with Deion

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Sean Payton says teams will regret not taking Sanders.

And warns them that Sanders will use the snub as motivation.  Another friend of the family shilling for him.  Payton conveniently does not need a QB at this time.

4th rounders earn around $5mm over 4 years and 7th rounders earn around $4mm over 4 years.  These rounds are the low-risk way to take flyers on players.

Giants are at 4.3; Raiders at 4.6; Steelers at 4.21.  Given the financial risk, I can see Sanders being picked in the 4th.  Giants and Steelers will likely pick a QB in the 4th and 5th - Ewers, Howard, Sanders will be picked then, IMO.

Edit - doh!  Giants drafted Dart :/

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2 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

Sean Payton says teams will regret not taking Sanders.

And warns them that Sanders will use the snub as motivation.  Another friend of the family shilling for him.  Payton conveniently does not need a QB at this time.

4th rounders earn around $5mm over 4 years and 7th rounders earn around $4mm over 4 years.  These rounds are the low-risk way to take flyers on players.

Giants are at 4.3; Raiders at 4.6; Steelers at 4.21.  Given the financial risk, I can see Sanders being picked in the 4th.  Giants and Steelers will likely pick a QB in the 4th and 5th - Ewers, Howard, Sanders will be picked then, IMO.

Said coach Payton, “Someone, please, for the love of God, pick him so Deion quits calling me.”

 

32 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

It's not lashing out. I just don't care about what someone says when that someone is a guy teams feed information to like what happens with Schefter. There are reporters and then there are access merchants like Breer. There is a difference.

So basically if you don’t like what they say they’re an access merchant and if you do like it they’re a reporter? Am I doing that right?

10 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

Sean Payton says teams will regret not taking Sanders.

And warns them that Sanders will use the snub as motivation.  Another friend of the family shilling for him.  Payton conveniently does not need a QB at this time.

4th rounders earn around $5mm over 4 years and 7th rounders earn around $4mm over 4 years.  These rounds are the low-risk way to take flyers on players.

Giants are at 4.3; Raiders at 4.6; Steelers at 4.21.  Given the financial risk, I can see Sanders being picked in the 4th.  Giants and Steelers will likely pick a QB in the 4th and 5th - Ewers, Howard, Sanders will be picked then, IMO.

Giants?

27 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

What exactly did Sanders do in the interviews to fuck things up so badly?

Beginning of the article that cactusflinthead posted from pro football network above has a little detail about why everyone hates him.

 

Didn’t throw or run at the combine.

 

giants asked him to learn some plays before an interview and he refused and got testy when called out on it.

 

He apparently refused interviews with some franchises and when he did interview with some teams he asked the GM’s/front offices why he should play for their team and how they fit in with his talent…. Like ha was interviewing them instead of the other way around.

6 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Giants?

DOH!  Despite following the first 2 rounds fairly closely, I forgot they drafted Dart.  That's how impactful the Dart pick is to me :). I'll edit.

Some of the draftniks are displeased all of this "anonymous" info is coming out about Shadeur Sanders.  Are they mad theylost control of the message or that it is innacurate about Sanders?
People also aren't necessarily putting their name on it, because they know daddy Sanders is a thin-skinned mofo who still wields a certain amount of influence.

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Man, this is just a brutal look

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Sanders admitted that during his team visits, he was interviewing executives just as much as they were interviewing him, and that didn’t sit well with everyone.

“When I go visit these coaches and when I go to all these different franchises, I ask them truly what I think and how I feel,” Sanders said. “Some get offended, some like it, some don’t. make some people uncomfortable, some people invite that.”

3 hours ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

ESPN might put Mel Kiper out to pasture after this.

Inshallah

All this crying about racism on social media is  probably another reason teams don’t want to take him. Especially if their starter is white. Teams don’t want to hear from Shedeurs online fan base being called racist because they’re not playing him

10 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Man, this is just a brutal look

Couple that attitude with only wanting to do interviews with limited teams it’s no wonder he’s falling in addition to just not being good. 

2 hours ago, Iceman said:

VY had multiple chances, albeit after he was drafted by a putz who probably killed every ounce of good football nature Vince ever had.

Kap did that shit to himself, with some little sweet thang whispering in his ear how big of a fucking hero he'd be.

Sanders has a massive  daddy-ball influence on his situation, and maybe it's his doing, maybe it ain't. Never mind his results on the field ain't all that.   He probably should have prepped for team interactions more seriously; but it seems like the game film is a bigger indictment than anything.  I thought the hype mught get him drafted early, but felt he was 3rd/4th round pick at best from the jump, but WTF do I know?

And VY's situation ain't even remotely similar to Sanders. VY had mega- results on the field and was a generational talent.  He just got fucked by what team drafted him.

Sanders skipped, straight passed on a lot of NFL team interviews because he didn't want to play for them.

I have a pretty good resume, better than Sanders football resume.

If there was job draft for my career, and I told 10 of the 32 companies I wasn't interviewing because I'm too talent for them... and that was known by the remaining 22 companies.... my resume ain't fucking good enough to overcome that poison.

If you're gonna do that, you better have a legendary, record breaking, multiple national championship appearance sort of career as a QB. 

Sanders doesn't not even fucking have a good resume/career.

And he's bring his dad with him.

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All this crying about racism on social media is  probably another reason teams don’t want to take him. Especially if their starter is white. Teams don’t want to hear from Shedeurs online fan base being called racist because they’re not playing him

Couple that attitude with only wanting to do interviews with limited teams it’s no wonder he’s falling in addition to just not being good. 

Oh, the race baiting by Deion is 100% gonna be in play no matter where SS ends up, even if he doesn't get drafted know that's coming.

36 minutes ago, bEastTexas said:

So basically if you don’t like what they say they’re an access merchant and if you do like it they’re a reporter? Am I doing that right?

You are not doing that right. 

Cam Ward and Jalen Milroe ain't black enough, I suppose.

The race card is some weakass shit, not only because of the QBs drafted, but also because of dominant QBs in the league right now.  Lamar, Mahomes, Hurts, et al.  The hesitance on Sanders has fuckall to do with race.

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2 hours ago, Gidnik said:

Nsiap

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Regardless of your feelings on Sanders, this is fucked up. Literal criminals are routinely drafted, Sanders' only 'crime' is being a cocky asshat.

59 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

What’s the difference?  Like most media guys, Breers been pretty kind to Sanders.  He also worked with Deion

I don’t care if he is kind or not. That is not the point. I do not care what any of the access merchants put out there in this sport or any other sport. That is as clear as I can say it. 

35 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

DOH!  Despite following the first 2 rounds fairly closely, I forgot they drafted Dart.  That's how impactful the Dart pick is to me :). I'll edit.

The Panthers and Miami should also be considered possibilities. Tua is a play away from brain damage and B Young kind of sucks.  They can kick the tires on Sanders for cheap and still be in the mix for a QB next draft if it all falls apart. 
 

The Rams and Arizona also fit in the low risk high reward category for Sanders

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

One: He's the CU equivalent of Texas' James Brown, talent-wise; a good college QB who shook things up when a good program was down, surrounded by some talent that made him look better.

Two: Aww hell no. The only QB taken so far where you MIGHT claim he's better than is Milroe, and he's not as good as Ewers (anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football well; Ewers is falling because of his injury history, nothing more).

Just because a bunch of people SAY he's talented over and over doesn't make it true: Look up the Illusory Truth Effect.

I’d argue that if Milroe is willing to do more than play QB, he potentially has substantially more value Sanders as a wildcat/rb/h back Swiss Army knife (ala Taysom Hill), especially if you are going to wear him out and not worry about a second contract as a mid round pick. 
 

If I was going to take a flyer on Sanders, I would definitely draft him in a late round so his salary slots and you don’t have to deal with the clown show that will be Deon trying to milk the UDFA process for clicks.

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4 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Regardless of your feelings on Sanders, this is fucked up. Literal criminals are routinely drafted, Sanders' only 'crime' is being a cocky asshat.

That's a major felony in most places. In fact, it's a capital offense in 22 countries--no, 24; I overlooked South Sudan and Cameroon. Ironically, it's perfectly legal in Bristol, Connecticut and Washington, DC., where, not coincidentally, Stephen A. Smith spends most of his time. 

9 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I don’t care if he is kind or not. That is not the point. I do not care what any of the access merchants put out there in this sport or any other sport. That is as clear as I can say it. 

Given what I understand your high school upbringing to be, I find “access merchants” quite amusing.

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26 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Sanders doesn't not even fucking a good resume/career.

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22 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I don’t care if he is kind or not. That is not the point. I do not care what any of the access merchants put out there in this sport or any other sport. That is as clear as I can say it. 

What’s the difference between he and a real reporter

19 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

The Panthers and Miami should also be considered possibilities. Tua is a play away from brain damage and B Young kind of sucks.  They can kick the tires on Sanders for cheap and still be in the mix for a QB next draft if it all falls apart. 
 

The Rams and Arizona also fit in the low risk high reward category for Sanders

Tua is also immobile with a rag arm

6 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

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Did you know what I meant? You did! 

But I fixed it anyway. Feel free to follow me around, I could use an editor for sure.

Regards-

BE

IMHO, the risk only grows the more he slides. People keep making the point that teams can now take a flyer on him with no risk because he can now be cut with no exposure.

I think it’s precisely the opposite. If someone takes a flyer now, they get all the circus, and if they cut him they’re immediately trumpeted as racists.
 

I now think it’s entirely conceivable he goes undrafted. This is amazing, and I’m here for it. 

53 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Man, this is just a brutal look


This is exactly what I was told. And if he is doing that before he is drafted, imagine the trouble he will be when he is under contract. He’s simply not worth drafting. 

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Re: the Diboll interview I watched the Hard Knocks deal on NY Giants when they were looking at QB last years draft. 
 

Jaden Daniels is sitting by whiteboard and Diboll gives him some uber verbose play call. Daniels repeats it verbatim, draws it on the board and answers a few questions about what everyone does. He sits down and Diboll chats him up about his family etc for a few minutes. Then he asks him to repeat the play call and Daniels does so flawlessly. It was damn impressive. 
 

And besides the obvious talent difference there’s your contrast with Sanders. 

Someone earlier mentioned that no credible draft analysts had him going before the 3rd or 4th round. I believe that, because it makes a lot of sense & I never thought Sanders was anything more than a middling college talent with a lot of unwarranted hype, but I don't follow these draft analysts too closely.

Anyone remember any of the analysts who had him lower in the draft? (I could use that info to shut someone up)

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

One: He's the CU equivalent of Texas' James Brown, talent-wise; a good college QB who shook things up when a good program was down, surrounded by some talent that made him look better.

Two: Aww hell no. The only QB taken so far where you MIGHT claim he's better than is Milroe, and he's not as good as Ewers (anyone who says otherwise doesn't know football well; Ewers is falling because of his injury history, nothing more).

Just because a bunch of people SAY he's talented over and over doesn't make it true: Look up the Illusory Truth Effect.

The bolded isn't true, or at the very least isn't true the way you think it is true.

Sanders’ potential floor is a lot lower than just his measurables and production points to, because if he does struggle at all it is almost a guaranteed media shitshow led by his father. That is scaring teams off and his ceiling is not near high enough to justify the role of the dice.

Going in later rounds to a place like Pittsburg with a strong FO that can weather storms and criticism is a best case for him as opposed to being anointed off the bat.  But even that likely won’t be enough. He’d need to commit to STFU and work the process and he won’t. 

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