May 7May 7 Tex Schram was a legendary cheapskate. In 1970, when Duane Thomas played for the Dallas Cowboys, his salary was $20,000. No wonder he was pissed off. Thats like $150k in 2025
May 8May 8 1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said: Thats like $150k in 2025 That's a good salary today for a normal person, but if we are using today's metrics, the 2025 average NFL salary is $3.2 million, so $150K is far below that number.
May 8May 8 That's a good salary today for a normal person, but if we are using today's metrics, the 2025 average NFL salary is $3.2 million, so $150K is far below that number. $20k was about the average salary back then before free agency and collective bargaining was a thing.So, if a player bitched about only getting $20k a year for playing a game, the fans would not have much sympathy as that was more than double the median income.
May 8May 8 2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said: $20k was about the average salary back then before free agency and collective bargaining was a thing. So, if a player bitched about only getting $20k a year for playing a game, the fans would not have much sympathy as that was more than double the median income. Just crazy how things have changed. A comedian does a very funny rant about his parents saying they owned a house at his age and asked why he doesn't buy a house today. His answer was, 'cause your downpayment will get me a Wendy's at the airport today.'
May 8May 8 12 hours ago, TreatyOak said: That's a good salary today for a normal person, but if we are using today's metrics, the 2025 average NFL salary is $3.2 million, so $150K is far below that number.
May 8May 8 The average NFL salary is close to $2 million, but players were not always so well compensated. In fact, for much of football's history, players often worked secondary jobs in steel mills, on ranches or as salesmen to make ends meet. The only time a player takes a "second" job now is on TV in the hopes of getting a career once he has hung up his cleats. The high salaries were won through decades of battles with owners as well as due to football's ascension to the status of America's favorite sport. Red Grange While paid players predate the formation of the NFL in 1920 by several decades, most players were paid on a per-game basis. In 1926, Red Grange changed that when he signed a 19-game deal with the Chicago Bears that earned him roughly $100,000. That was the first large NFL contract. Changing Times During the next few decades, player salaries depended on their star quality and the teams they played for. Some teams were stingy with money, while others paid in other ways--in the late 1950s, Baltimore Colts often got free beer after games. Starting around the late 1950s, players demanded a league minimum, but that fell on deaf ears. The average player at the time was getting less than $6,000 per season. The Financial Breakthrough The Players Association finally won recognition in 1970, and the owners agreed to a $9,000 minimum salary for rookies and $10,000 for veterans. The minimum salary crept higher through the 1970s. Salary Wars Rival leagues often helped escalate salaries. In the 1960s, it was the AFL, followed by the WFL in the 1970s and the USFL in the 1980s. Salaries jumped due to bidding, including the famous John Brodie case where he was offered close to $750,000 to go to the AFL. He had been making $35,000 in the NFL. The Big Money The NFL strikes in 1982 and 1987 led to an explosion in salaries because the players won the rights to get more team revenues as well as the ability to bargain collectively. That helped average salaries go from $198,000 in 1986 to almost $800,000 by the start of the 1993 season. Tuesday, March 4 Updated: March 24, 12:36 PM ET USFL made an impact in three-year run By Greg Garber ESPN.com "Every NFL player that's getting paid right now ought to thank the USFL," said Irv Eatman, an offensive tackle for the Philadelphia Stars and today a Kansas City Chiefs assistant coach. "That's where it started to proliferate." Bart Oates, a Stars teammate of Eatman's and later a Pro Bowl center for the New York Giants, agreed. "Track the league's average salary and see what happens in 1984," Oates said. "Put it on a chart and watch it spike." Done. The NFL's average salary in 1983 was $152,800. A year later, after the USFL began paying fat salaries and creating a bidding war with the NFL, the average salary was $225,600, an increase of 47.6 percent -- the largest jump in the league's history.
May 10May 10 On 5/5/2025 at 7:57 PM, DougO said: Shedeur was all like..."TLDR." Probably more like he couldn't read it.
May 10May 10 Tim Couch is only 7 years older than Joe Flacco. under "things I didn't know" Couch is married to Heather Kozar...still.
May 10May 10 31 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: This question and follow up question is why you didn’t want to draft Shedeur. Go ahead and have your agent call other teams Gabriel. You’re done
May 10May 10 56 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: This question and follow up question is why you didn’t want to draft Shedeur. The dumb reporters will only accelerate. Stefanski handled that really well. It'll be 3 months of this kind of idiocy and will crescendo once the season starts. The fundamental reality is that it's likely Shedeur will move the chains a little more efficiently than Gabriel. And, for now, none of that will mean anything except you'll have to discuss every meaningless nuance with a moron like this reporter.
May 10May 10 5 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: Go ahead and have your agent call other teams Gabriel. You’re done I didn't know Lucci had a cousin work in the media in Cleveland.
May 10May 10 8 minutes ago, PGFrog said: I didn't know Lucci had a cousin work in the media in Cleveland. Manziel cocaine connection
May 10May 10 On 5/5/2025 at 4:28 PM, immamac said: maybe he did do that. I get that Deion and his spawn are polarizing male entertainers. That doesn't mean that Deion and Shadeur don't actually take shit seriously. I would be very surprised if Deion was under the illusion that Shadeur would be able to walk into the NFL and not have a super high football IQ and not have a matching work ethic. We will see what happens through camp, but I don't think it'll be weird when it comes out that Shadeur isn't actually that shitty of a teammate and helps at minimum bring up the level of competition that is going on for QB1. Assuming Watson is out he is by far the most physically talented qb in Cleveland.
May 10May 10 12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said: Assuming Watson is out he is by far the most physically talented qb in Cleveland. Watson is being cut.
May 10May 10 On 5/6/2025 at 4:45 PM, Beau Vine said: This has definitely got to worry the NFL... Can I sue Tom Herman and Chuckles for PTSD?
May 11May 11 They both look like wasted draft picks. Shedeur holds the ball too low and always does that clutch/pump before he throws. I'm here for the entertainment...
May 11May 11 7 minutes ago, boilerhorn said: They both look like wasted draft picks. Shedeur holds the ball too low and always does that clutch/pump before he throws. I'm here for the entertainment... Welcome to the Surly - Sanders Telenova Fans page! We're here for the drama including race baiting, tons of misguided narcissistic social media efforts, soy boy media supporters, inevitable crashes and dumpster fires. Its been a fun ride so far and I fully anticipate its going to amp up now that the Game Master grifter commonly know as Deion is no longer in control of the day to day narrative. Bulk up!
May 11May 11 3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: They both look like shit to me. But, then the Browns drafted Johnny 8-Ball in the 1st Round, so......
May 11May 11 11 hours ago, Tex Long said: PM Justin Tucker Nah it's Sunday. He's busy at church pretending not to be a PoS.
May 11May 11 Popular Post 3 minutes ago, Pancho said: If you've ever watched his twitch streams you know this isn't a contrived or made up story. He is super down to earth and a refreshingly cool guy.
May 11May 11 1 hour ago, Chooky said: Are you guys analyzing light drills? We’re analyzing everything.
May 11May 11 1 hour ago, Kennythetiger said: We’re analyzing everything. I look forward to your thorough assessment of pre game warmups.
May 11May 11 47 minutes ago, Chooky said: I look forward to your thorough assessment of pre game warmups. What about half time locker room chat? Who's covering those aspects. In fun amusement, I wonder if Deion is going to become upset with the Bill and his um... PR manager's shannigans drawning all the spot lights to Raleigh. The Telenovela grows!!! And yeah, Hunter seems like a genuinely good human that's also an amazing athlete. Glad he found a place to just do his thing without the tomfoolery.
May 12May 12 Popular Post No idea if this is true or not, but for the sake of the human experience, I pray that the interview footage is released so we can evaluate it.
May 12May 12 8 minutes ago, TreatyOak said: No idea if this is true or not, but for the sake of the human experience, I pray that the interview footage is released so we can evaluate it. I would imagine it's true. They've recorded this type of stuff for years now and you generally see it posted when a player retires, about to retire, or gets inducted to Hall of Fame/Honors so that they can show you their "greatness" early.
May 12May 12 22 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: I would imagine it's true. They've recorded this type of stuff for years now and you generally see it posted when a player retires, about to retire, or gets inducted to Hall of Fame/Honors so that they can show you their "greatness" early. I sure hope so. What's interesting is that both the Sanders family AND the Cleveland Browns are referenced. Both would have a vested interest in suppressing it. If it exists, you can bet it will somehow get leaked, haha. Unfortunately, the New York Giants are privately owned, so it's not like getting a FOI order to release the Joe Mixon footage. We need some patriotic American who believes in making a quick buck to sneak it out. Edited May 12May 12 by TreatyOak
May 12May 12 1 minute ago, TreatyOak said: I sure hope so. What's interesting is that both the Sanders family AND the Cleveland Browns are referenced. Both would have a vested interest in suppressing it. If it exists, you can bet it will somehow get leaked, haha. Come on TMZ, do your thang!
May 14May 14 On 5/9/2025 at 8:01 PM, demos said: "Great" is being so fucking stretched here. But I'll allow it for the shot at Johnny. On 5/10/2025 at 8:13 AM, BurntOrange&White said: This question and follow up question is why you didn’t want to draft Shedeur. Whole Summer plus of this.
May 14May 14 12 minutes ago, Drew said: "Great" is being so fucking stretched here. But I'll allow it for the shot at Johnny. Whole Summer plus of this. I am going to be doing other things this summer besides following Stefanski press conferences, but for now… I simply shrug before leaving this thread again for a week or 3.
May 14May 14 On 5/12/2025 at 3:46 PM, TreatyOak said: No idea if this is true or not, but for the sake of the human experience, I pray that the interview footage is released so we can evaluate it.
May 14May 14 On 5/12/2025 at 5:06 PM, BurntOrange&White said: Come on TMZ, do your thang! I would happily pay a scumbag a few bucks to see it. Would be bigger than One Night in Paris.
May 15May 15 On 5/11/2025 at 7:41 AM, Pancho said: He's is pretty cool and if young football players are looking to emulate someone Hunter would be a really good choice. He made that woman's day just by being kind and well mannered. I read a story about his background recently and this is exactly who he is all of the time according to those who know him the best. I have no team in the NFL so I'll just watch his games and hope he does well playing both ways.
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