November 12, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, henrygandorf said: uh, no. there are 3 interests to take into account: -the team -the player -the fans holding a player down until may keeps the player under team control for another year (of his prime). bringing him up earlier allows the player to become a free agent quicker. what i just described is bad for the player (and his agent) and good for the team, and therefore, good for the fans (as long as your team wants to win, what's good for the team is best for the fans). as a fan, would you rather have springer for april of his rookie year, or the entire 2020 season? it's not even a comparison. anyone (olney, cough) who complains that this is fucking the fans, is referring to fans of other teams, because they're excited to see great rookies on teams they don't care about. the next time i hear about a player not re-signing with a team because of how they treated his service time 7 years earlier will be the first. Oh I agree. Really just meant the immediate gratification of fans, particularly the short-sighted, casual fans. I 100% wanted them to keep Springer down for the first 1/3 of that season because it was always the right thing to do.
November 12, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said: Yeah he was really raw. That wasn’t all on the astros. There was no reason whatsoever to send him to AAA for 67 PA in 2014 other than to hold him down just enough to get another year of control. It was the most blatant and transparent shit ever. Other teams have certainly been guilty of it (Bryant and the Cubs took a lot of heat off of what the Astros did with Springer at the time), but it's not universal. Look at how the Orioles handled Machado, for instance.
November 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, HillaryFan420 said: There was no reason whatsoever to send him to AAA for 67 PA in 2014 other than to hold him down just enough to get another year of control. It was the most blatant and transparent shit ever. Other teams have certainly been guilty of it (Bryant and the Cubs took a lot of heat off of what the Astros did with Springer at the time), but it's not universal. Look at how the Orioles handled Machado, for instance. They brought up Machado in August of 2012 and they were a playoff team. They had incentive to try to make their team better. The 2014 Astros were not going to be contenders. They had incentive to delay Springer's promotion.
November 12, 20205 yr Author 1 hour ago, HillaryFan420 said: There was no reason whatsoever to send him to AAA for 67 PA in 2014 other than to hold him down just enough to get another year of control. It was the most blatant and transparent shit ever. Other teams have certainly been guilty of it (Bryant and the Cubs took a lot of heat off of what the Astros did with Springer at the time), but it's not universal. Look at how the Orioles handled Machado, for instance. I meant prior to 2014 why he didn’t move quicker. Yeah it was transparent. It was also the right move
November 12, 20205 yr I would have been pissed if they didn’t make that move. If you want to blame someone, blame the MLBPA. A bit of irony that the team played by the rules and won.
November 12, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said: Oh I agree. Really just meant the immediate gratification of fans, particularly the short-sighted, casual fans. I 100% wanted them to keep Springer down for the first 1/3 of that season because it was always the right thing to do. yeah, i just get frustrated when people act like the team benefits and everyone else gets screwed. keeping good players in the system is what the fans want. everything else is noise generated from journalists and agents.
November 17, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, HtownHorn said: Not a shock given the messy divorce from Ryan. I guess the Hooks will be next to go.
November 17, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, TonyTexas said: I guess the Hooks will be next to go. Yep, wouldn't be a shock.
November 17, 20205 yr Think corpus is staying AA, I've heard lots of talk about Skeeters going to Astros for a while, hope it works out for everyone involved
November 17, 20205 yr It's gonna suck if they lose Corpus. That park is great. The Ryan's are gonna lose money if they can't get the Ranger back. You have to thinking switch their allegiance back and forth between the Astros and Rangers is eventually going to piss off both teams enough to the point neither one will want anything to do with them. Edited November 17, 20205 yr by kevwun
November 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Horny Bull said: So fucking stupid but Crane has reportedly been fixated on this for awhile. Which would you rather, a link to expand your fan base in central Texas where you are in competition with the Rangers or to cannibalize your existing fan base 30 minutes away?
November 17, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, WBT said: So fucking stupid but Crane has reportedly been fixated on this for awhile. Which would you rather, a link to expand your fan base in central Texas where you are in competition with the Rangers or to cannibalize your existing fan base 30 minutes away? I think you’re overestimating the effect a minor league team has on the big league club’s fan base. Plus , I can understand Crane’s desire to own his minor league affiliates. Also, Crane’s and the Ryan’s relationship is strained to say the least.
November 17, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, TonyTexas said: I guess the Hooks will be next to go. 2 hours ago, HtownHorn said: Yep, wouldn't be a shock. 1 hour ago, Mez2 said: Think corpus is staying AA, I've heard lots of talk about Skeeters going to Astros for a while, hope it works out for everyone involved 1 hour ago, kevwun said: It's gonna suck if they lose Corpus. That park is great. The Ryan's are gonna lose money if they can't get the Ranger back. You have to thinking switch their allegiance back and forth between the Astros and Rangers is eventually going to piss off both teams enough to the point neither one will want anything to do with them. The Astros purchased the Hooks away from the Ryan’s. Corpus will remains Houston’s AA affiliate. The Astros also own their High A affiliate. Crane wants to own all his minor league teams. I don’t know if the expectation is that they will further reduce to only 3 full season affiliates, or Crane will buy the Quad Cities A ball team, or something else. It is likely the Express will become the Rangers AA team, with Frisco moving up to AAA. Really sucks that Houston gave up the Austin market so easily but I understand why they are doing it.
November 17, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, TonyTexas said: I guess the Hooks will be next to go. The Astros own the hooks
November 17, 20205 yr Mf this blows. Waited ~10 years to get Round Rock back under the Astros. Get one season. And then a fucking pandemic I stepped foot in Dell Diamond for the first all year this past Friday... for bullriding
November 17, 20205 yr AAA affiliate between Round Rock and Sugar Land doesn’t make a shit other than individual convenience.
November 17, 20205 yr Being an Astros fan who lives in Austin and is an avid follower of the minor leagues, having the Astros AAA team in Round Rock was a big deal to me. I got one year, and because I have small kids and live in SW Austin I only made it to 3 games. It totally sucks that they are gonna go back to the Rangers.
November 17, 20205 yr Minor league baseball(& hockey) is awesome. Hell, our team up here is with the Padres, but I still enjoy going. Of course, when the Hooks are in town, that’s even mo betta. 2020 sucked without the minor league season.
November 17, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Snake Diggity said: Being an Astros fan who lives in Austin and is an avid follower of the minor leagues, having the Astros AAA team in Round Rock was a big deal to me. I got one year, and because I have small kids and live in SW Austin I only made it to 3 games. It totally sucks that they are gonna go back to the Rangers. Brother? I live in central-ish Austin but otherwise this is me to a T. my 6 yo is going to hate hearing this news....at least until he realizes they’ll still sell hot dogs regardless of team affiliation.
November 17, 20205 yr 13 hours ago, TonyTexas said: I think you’re overestimating the effect a minor league team has on the big league club’s fan base. Plus , I can understand Crane’s desire to own his minor league affiliates. Also, Crane’s and the Ryan’s relationship is strained to say the least. we’ve met several astros fans @laa games who know and liked the team from their lancaster involvement. it’s not nothing.
November 17, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, UTexasFight said: Mf this blows. Waited ~10 years to get Round Rock back under the Astros. Get one season. And then a fucking pandemic I stepped foot in Dell Diamond for the first all year this past Friday... for bullriding Yeah this is a real blow for me personally. I'm just a couple of minutes north of Dell Diamond and purchased a mini season ticket package this year only for covid to scrap it. I was looking forward to applying that package to next season and now it looks like it's Rangers turf AGAIN. I absolutely hate this. Fuck you Jim Crane.
November 17, 20205 yr So when the Express/Astros affiliation was announced, it was a 4 year deal. those last 2 years just vanish? or like all things, everything has a price?
November 17, 20205 yr 30 minutes ago, UTexasFight said: So when the Express/Astros affiliation was announced, it was a 4 year deal. those last 2 years just vanish? or like all things, everything has a price? Basically yes. MLB's power move over MiLB franchises rendered every minor league team a FA so those affiliates are free to hook up with a different parent organization.
November 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Scraps said: So....fake drums or real drums by then? Edited November 19, 20205 yr by WBT
November 20, 20205 yr I mean he HAS to get in the HOF just for the induction speech lulz alone (aka shortest speech of all time: “Thanks.”) Edited November 20, 20205 yr by UTexasFight
November 20, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, UTexasFight said: I mean he HAS to get in the HOF just for the induction speech lulz alone (aka shortest speech of all time: “Thanks.”) I don't think there is any doubt Greinke is as close to a 1st ballot HOF guy currently in the MLB.
November 20, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, HtownHorn said: I don't think there is any doubt Greinke is as close to a 1st ballot HOF guy currently in the MLB. I think Greinke gets in, but not sure he is first ballot. Might depend on who else is on the ballot. 208 wins (and counting) will keep him off some of the old timer's ballots in the first year. JV likely has a better shot at making it in on first ballot. The surest first ballot guy currently on a roster, imo, is Brad's friend Albert. Edited November 20, 20205 yr by Jacob McCandles
November 20, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, HtownHorn said: I don't think there is any doubt Greinke is as close to a 1st ballot HOF guy currently in the MLB. he won't be first ballot. JV and Puljos will though
November 20, 20205 yr 39 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: he won't be first ballot. JV and Puljos will though Cabrera, Trout, Kershaw and Scherzer are also more likely than Greinke
November 21, 20205 yr Author 43 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: I’m amazed someone claimed mayfield He can play a passable short stop. It makes sense in that regard I guess. Definition of replacement level player (which is to say a very below average major leaguer).
November 21, 20205 yr On 11/19/2020 at 1:53 PM, clapclapclap said: * Free milk carton for first 10,000 fans That should take care of everyone who shows up for Oakland's first two home games.
November 21, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, Scraps said: buh bye Super Jack our long national nightmare is over 1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said: I’m amazed someone claimed mayfield no shit, was mez not available?
November 21, 20205 yr I’m amazed that they couldn’t find a trade to get something back for Armenteros.
November 21, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: I’m amazed someone claimed mayfield Perhaps it’s a motivational play. for the pitchers: “hey, we can have a better batting average than a position player!” and for the hitters to stay above Mayfield’s spot in order: “dude, you’re batting below the Mayfield line tonight. May want to take some extra bp this week.”
November 21, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Mack Tripper said: I’m amazed that they couldn’t find a trade to get something back for Armenteros. Was my first thought too, but he's 26 and has thrown 18 total big league innings (none in 2020). He also wasn't particularly good in AAA in '18 or '19 - especially '19 (though the PCL is a hitters league). Edited November 21, 20205 yr by Hank Chinaski
November 23, 20205 yr Our lilshep won his first tournament today. Kid played like Biggio at second. No errors all weekend. Our 5th tournament together. First banner. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
November 24, 20205 yr https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919588-carlos-correa-trade-rumors-astros-star-floated-in-talks-ahead-of-contract-year
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