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23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Stone and Manafort are the poster boys for “swamp creature” in politics 

You have to admire the GOP’s genius for creating a problem, profiting from it, then selling their guy as the solution to the problem they created, all while said guy does nothing but exacerbate the problem.  

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Suspect confesses to crime on national television.

two years later...

Still investigating...

 

At what point do we ask ourselves if we’re being played? 

11 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Yeah I can only take Rachel in small doses. Countdown was must see for a while. He made that network. Rachel is thorough and hard working but she wears me out. GET TO THE GOT DAM POINT 

She is the master of the penalty kill. In between commercials you might get one salient point surrounded by 50000 words. 

Related to the question of the purpose of superseding indictments from a page or two back, here's another example highly relevant in this case to making sure you bag ALL of the co-conspirators:

 

Mueller's report IS the story the sequence of indictments tells.  The 12 indicted Russian military intelligence are directly linked to Roger Stone's case, and within Stone's case Mueller reveals they have evidence that a senior campaign official was ‘directed’ in July 2016 to contact Mr. Stone about additional Wikileaks releases.  Who would be directing a 'senior' campaign official to contact Stone, a man referred to by Manafort as indistinguishable from Trump?  It's Trump.

18 U.S. Code § 371  - Conspiracy to defraud the US.

Yeah, I have a feeling conspiracy indictments will be the last thing Mueller does from a criminal procedure standpoint, and they'll all come at the same time.

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Seems like a lot of obstruction charges are due too since all these motherfuckers have been lying about Russia for years.

That’s a real consequential crime now because Trump wouldn’t be able to run out the clock unless everyone was obstructing on his behalf. 

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Of course there are pix
 

He paid men to fuck his wife? How hideous is she?

 

48 minutes ago, Nivek said:


He paid men to fuck his wife? How hideous is she?

they were special men.  they all looked like him, and he kept telling her he was coming back for more.

59 minutes ago, Hot Chick said:

Why are all these Repubs sniveling spanked bitch made bottoms.

Something about absolute power corrupting.  Or attracting corrupt people.  

No joke:

 

Stupid Watergate = thinking your encrypted WhatsApp comms are secure.

The volume of signals intelligence, both foreign and domestic implicating conspirators will be staggering.  

Because the Russian election conspiracy has now penetrated Trump's inner circle with associated indictments of Roger Stone, I expect things to accelerate with Mueller.  They don't need anyone else to flip.  They've got the goods on Trump and his family, and then some.  I still think the thing to watch for that would lead to Trump leaving office imminently will be Mueller making the move on RUS/NRA/RNC ---> Mitch.

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I hope they don’t try to offer Stone a deal.  

As far as reliable and credible cooperating witnesses go, Roger Stone is the worst case scenario.

He should only get a deal if he has a safe of smoking guns.

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Suspect confesses to crime on national television.

two years later...

Still investigating...

 

At what point do we ask ourselves if we’re being played? 

Skepticism is fine, but whom do you suggest is playing us and for what purpose?

As you know, the Trump-Russia-GOP-NRA-FOX-Social Networking-Hacking-Organized Crime-Campaign Finance investigation is multifaceted.  Shit takes time.  You've seen the graphics: Mueller's ahead of schedule on indictments compared to historical norms. 

I dare say that there's been no American criminal conspiracy of comparable scope.  Complicating that is the American peoples' and moreover the world's collective need for the case to be airtight and not allow conspirators to wriggle free.  Stone was indicted Friday.  Patience.

The wait is excruciating.  Stakes and emotions are very high.  I get it. 

Try not to catastrophize.

 

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3 hours ago, triplehorn said:

Related to the question of the purpose of superseding indictments from a page or two back, here's another example highly relevant in this case to making sure you bag ALL of the co-conspirators:

 

Mueller's report IS the story the sequence of indictments tells.  The 12 indicted Russian military intelligence are directly linked to Roger Stone's case, and within Stone's case Mueller reveals they have evidence that a senior campaign official was ‘directed’ in July 2016 to contact Mr. Stone about additional Wikileaks releases.  Who would be directing a 'senior' campaign official to contact Stone, a man referred to by Manafort as indistinguishable from Trump?  It's Trump.

18 U.S. Code § 371  - Conspiracy to defraud the US.

Yeah but Trump is going to try and pin it on Kushner. 

You can already see their play developing. I think Kushner is genuinely ignorant that he’s going to be the scapegoat.

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1 minute ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Played by whom and for what purpose?

As you know, the Trump-Russia-GOP-NRA-FOX-Social Networking-Hacking-Organized Crime-Campaign Finance investigation is multifaceted.  Shit takes time.  You've seen the graphics: Mueller's ahead of schedule on indictments compared to historical norms. 

I dare say that there's been no American criminal conspiracy of comparable scope.  Complicating that is the American peoples' and moreover the world's collective need for the case to be airtight and not allow conspirators to wiggle free.  Stone was indicted Friday.  Patience.

The wait is excruciating.  Stakes and emotions are very high.  I get it. 

Skepticism is fine.  Hysteria is not.  Try not to catastrophize.

 

I get that but we’ve seen so many efforts at obstruction and nothing has stopped Trump from continuing to obstruct.  Eventually, obstructing will win or lose for Trump.

I think the obstruction investigation of two years ago should be complete by now, right?  

But oh yeah, we have to wait for the completion of the most complex international criminal conspiracy of all time while the guy guilty of obstruction continues to obstruct. 

Seems like this isn’t going to end well or any time soon.

On 1/25/2019 at 5:28 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

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Thats actually Ivanka's neighbor

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On Saturday night, hundreds of people danced outside of Ivanka Trump's Washington home to call attention to the Trump administration's climate policies. As the music turned up and the dancers twirled, Ivanka's well-to-do neighbors came outside to take in the sights, which included a guy in booty shorts twerking on top of an SUV. One particularly chic neighbor, who lives across the street from the Trump-Kushners, has become a viral sensation: A Daily Mail photo of her clutching a glass of white wine, enjoying the scene while wrapped in a luxe fur coat, has the internet ablaze.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a9230192/ivanka-trump-neighbor-watches-protest-interview/

She’s going to have PETA dancing outside her house on Monday night...

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

No joke:

 

Stupid Watergate = thinking your encrypted WhatsApp comms are secure.

The volume of signals intelligence, both foreign and domestic implicating conspirators will be staggering.  

Because the Russian election conspiracy has now penetrated Trump's inner circle with associated indictments of Roger Stone, I expect things to accelerate with Mueller.  They don't need anyone else to flip.  They've got the goods on Trump and his family, and then some.  I still think the thing to watch for that would lead to Trump leaving office imminently will be Mueller making the move on RUS/NRA/RNC ---> Mitch.

That would be interesting.  Trump may be unimpeachable because of McConnell and some other Republicans in the Senate.  But if they are complicit in conspiracy or obstruction, why not take them down first and remove that umbrella of protection they are giving the President?

7 minutes ago, Goredho said:

That would be interesting.  Trump may be unimpeachable because of McConnell and some other Republicans in the Senate.  But if they are complicit in conspiracy or obstruction, why not take them down first and remove that umbrella of protection they are giving the President?

It’s a prerequisite, I believe.  Once the Senate firewall falls, there will be a rapid collapse of Trump’s ability to remain in office.

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Even if Mitch is indicted, he still remains Senate majority leader. 

However, a deal could be struck where charges are reduced/dropped if he resigns.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I hope they don’t try to offer Stone a deal.  

As far as reliable and credible cooperating witnesses go, Roger Stone is the worst case scenario.

He should only get a deal if he has a safe of smoking guns.

Yeah, Stone is an habitual liar on the same level as Trump.  And he has a history of working against his employers’ interests.  Ask Pat Buchanan how trustworthy Roger Stone is.  Fuck letting him anywhere near a witness stand.

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WITCH HUNT!!!

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He paid men to fuck his wife? How hideous is she?
40DD-24-36 apparently, if you believe the ads.
4 minutes ago, woohorn said:
5 hours ago, Nivek said:

He paid men to fuck his wife? How hideous is she?

40DD-24-36 apparently, if you believe the ads.

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The last thing I care about are his sexual habits. It's just a distraction. The only reason I care about Trumps sexcapades are because he lied about them and tried to cover it up in a fraudulent way.

Stone, Manafort, and Atwater are/were throbbing tumors on our cancer-ridden election and governing processes. Their firm led the way in turning election campaigning into lobbying after the election. They're filth. I didn't lament Atwater's brain cancer. I won't lament these other two vile crooks spending their golden years behind bars.

If I were to go after something trivial on Stone, it'd be the shape of his head. I think he's missing a lobe up front.

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Must be a mountain of kompromat between the Pecker vault, the Cohen phones, and the Stone hard drives 

55 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

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Does he HAVE to be in the room? Otherwise...

I'm glad she didn't turn on Ben Richards at the end of Running Man.  

Manafort did this also, right? And his wife is specia needsl and there were gang bangs?

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Trump’s buddies sure do seem to like watching black dudes gang bang their wives. 

They don’t call him the “salty sailor” for nothin. 

8 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Trump’s buddies sure do seem to like watching black dudes gang bang their wives. 

These fucking guys.  Every accusation is an admission, and “cuck” is no exception to that rule.

edit: RF beat me to it 

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7 hours ago, triplehorn said:

Related to the question of the purpose of superseding indictments from a page or two back, here's another example highly relevant in this case to making sure you bag ALL of the co-conspirators:

 

Mueller's report IS the story the sequence of indictments tells.  The 12 indicted Russian military intelligence are directly linked to Roger Stone's case, and within Stone's case Mueller reveals they have evidence that a senior campaign official was ‘directed’ in July 2016 to contact Mr. Stone about additional Wikileaks releases.  Who would be directing a 'senior' campaign official to contact Stone, a man referred to by Manafort as indistinguishable from Trump?  It's Trump.

18 U.S. Code § 371  - Conspiracy to defraud the US.

What is the fascination with "conspiracy" charges, besides the whole black helicopters/evil sound of it.

Conspiracy itself isn't a crime, it is just a way to convict people who cooperated to commit a crime, but didn't actually personally commit the crime.

The criminality of a conspiracy is determined by the crime that was allegedly committed by the conspiracy.  There are a relatively few instances in 18 USC where a conspiracy crime is defined separately and carries a greater penalty than the basic crime that may or may not be committed by individuals acting alone, or by a conspiracy.

371, 1001, and 1505 all carry the same maximum penalty of five years.

Conspiracy typically is harder to prove than the crime itself so there's no mystery why Mueller would avoid conspiracy charges wherever possible.

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No way Melania is into other guys.

So other girls then? Go on...

55 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No way Melania is into other guys.

rat cheese.

29 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

What is the fascination with "conspiracy" charges, besides the whole black helicopters/evil sound of it.

Conspiracy itself isn't a crime, it is just a way to convict people who cooperated to commit a crime, but didn't actually personally commit the crime.

The criminality of a conspiracy is determined by the crime that was allegedly committed by the conspiracy.  There are a relatively few instances in 18 USC where a conspiracy crime is defined separately and carries a greater penalty than the basic crime that may or may not be committed by individuals acting alone, or by a conspiracy.

371, 1001, and 1505 all carry the same maximum penalty of five years.

Conspiracy typically is harder to prove than the crime itself so there's no mystery why Mueller would avoid conspiracy charges wherever possible.

I suppose there's a range wherein prosecutors draw lines for inclusion in a criminal conspiracy.  But certain crimes require multiple individual roles operating in coordination for the crime to be executed as conceived.  It's more than just knowing about it.  That's what we're seeing w Trump, Stone, Assange, agents of Russian military intelligence, etc.  Together they appear to have defrauded the American people through violation of laws related to their participation in a US election.

 

Re: "Conspiracy typically is harder to prove than the crime itself so there's no mystery why Mueller would avoid conspiracy charges wherever possible."  

Mueller has already charged both Gates and Manafort with "Conspiracy against the United States."  Conspiracy gets harder to prove as the size and complexity increase.  However, I haven't seen any indication Mueller is avoiding it for anyone.  If anything, it's the opposite - Mueller's forming body of indictments complement and overlap with each other.  The conspiracy is being laid out in plain view.  Withholding full conspiracy charges allows discovery to be limited as they advance in what is the most sensitive legal takedown our country has ever faced.  Most importantly for conspiracy, I believe he's got all the evidence.  all of it.

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Just another piece of evidence for the obstruction case, if true.

Trump is used to playing checkers. Chess is not his game

2 minutes ago, JimmyHoffa said:

Trump is used to playing checkers. Chess is not his game

Please.  He's used to playing tic-tac-toe where daddy/leverage spots him the first two moves.  And even then, he's lost (bankruptcy) a shitload more than any of us would have.

8 minutes ago, JimmyHoffa said:

Trump is used to playing checkers. Chess is not his game

Not sure if I read this here or on Twitter, but I recall someone saying something along the lines of people like to claim that trump is playing chess while others are playing checkers when in reality, he's more often than not just eating the pieces. 

8 minutes ago, JimmyHoffa said:

Trump is used to playing checkers. Chess is not his game

His game is Liar's Poker and he carries a counterfeit bill. 

16 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

So other girls then? Go on...

There's photographic evidence of this already.

15 hours ago, triplehorn said:

I suppose there's a range wherein prosecutors draw lines for inclusion in a criminal conspiracy.  But certain crimes require multiple individual roles operating in coordination for the crime to be executed as conceived.  It's more than just knowing about it.  That's what we're seeing w Trump, Stone, Assange, agents of Russian military intelligence, etc.  Together they appear to have defrauded the American people through violation of laws related to their participation in a US election.

 

Re: "Conspiracy typically is harder to prove than the crime itself so there's no mystery why Mueller would avoid conspiracy charges wherever possible."  

Mueller has already charged both Gates and Manafort with "Conspiracy against the United States."  Conspiracy gets harder to prove as the size and complexity increase.  However, I haven't seen any indication Mueller is avoiding it for anyone.  If anything, it's the opposite - Mueller's forming body of indictments complement and overlap with each other.  The conspiracy is being laid out in plain view.  Withholding full conspiracy charges allows discovery to be limited as they advance in what is the most sensitive legal takedown our country has ever faced.  Most importantly for conspiracy, I believe he's got all the evidence.  all of it.

If there was an indictment against Trump, I would probably expect conspiracy to ___________________ charges.  I'm not sure I expect them in the case of any of the others, really.  371 is kind of a special case because it actually makes non-criminal acts into crimes if they are the subject of a conspiracy to do them, plus, it's the lowest type of federal felony (five year max).  It doesn't add much to most of these prosecutions.  It might if the sentences in federal court were routinely "stacked," but they aren't if you are white.

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Country 1 steals toxic material from the United States for an upcoming attack.

Country 1 then uses organization 1 as the delivery system to disseminate the toxic material on the target population.

Individual 1 intentionally disseminates the stole toxic material with the help of country 1 and organization 1 on the target population.

Individual 1 did this with full knowledge that country 1 stole the the material with the intention of using on the target population.

What is the criminal liability for individual 1?

 

Edited by Hugo Stiglitz

Signs pointing to the end of Mueller investigation

maybe Rosenstein is staying on through the end and still leaving early Feb? 

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