May 12, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, G650 said: That would definitely be pertinent to my interests Like you want me to link the song in its current incarnation?
May 12, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Goredho said: Like you want me to link the song in its current incarnation?
May 12, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, G650 said: Production is crude, and this was before I had acquired keyboards, so its a bunch of guitars and a bass competing with each other for your attention. If I revisit it, I would probably swap out some of the guitar tracks for keyboards.
May 12, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Goredho said: Production is crude, and this was before I had acquired keyboards, so its a bunch of guitars and a bass competing with each other for your attention. If I revisit it, I would probably swap out some of the guitar tracks for keyboards. I'll give a listen later once I'm through family time, but I have to say the title alone has me onboard
May 12, 20232 yr I've been using SoundCloud for awhile now, and while its great for quickly sharing a song online, and it will embed a player widget on all the things, it doesn't offer much else. I'm starting to look at other platforms that might offer more to an independent music creator. Some I know about: ReverbNation: Allows song direct sales, streaming distribution to platforms like apple music & spotify, discovery tools, artist website, widgets for sharing/playback, social media outreach (connect your accounts), song reviewing (with songs receiving an 8.0 being featured on their home page) and so on. It looks like its good for building a following, and mostly targets the artists for revenue. Like, the freemium plan gets you very little, and the more you want, the more you have to spend. Its probably bad for the starving artist, but that's not really me. BandCamp: Seems to be the one that's most trying to help artists. Artist accounts are free, and they don't have all the add on charges. They make their money skimming off the top of music and merchandise sales you make through their platform. They provide similar tools as ReverbNation, but the goal is to get people to buy your shit. They take 10% from merch sales and 15% from music sales, the remainder goes to the artist, which is a lot better cut than you get elsewhere. This seems to really suit gigging bands that are building their following through live performances, and are looking for the platform to handle sales & generate money. Patreon: Not music specific, but a way for creators to humbly (or not) ask for patronage and financial support. I see it used a lot by podcasters and the like, who give access to bonus episodes for your monthly patronage subscription. Basically onlyfans without the ass and titties. I don't see it as a way of attracting listeners, and since its not music focused, there are less music-specific tools. If you have built an audience elsewhere, you can probably monetize it a bit with patreon. There are probably more, but I was curious if anyone here has experience with these platforms and/or if people here are interested in my experience with whichever one I decide on? At this point, I don't really have aspirations of making dough, I'm more interested in seeing if I can better get my music in front of more people who might enjoy it. Right now, its between ReverbNation and BandCamp. Edited May 12, 20232 yr by Goredho
May 12, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, G650 said: I'll give a listen later once I'm through family time, but I have to say the title alone has me onboard It's better than I remembered Not sure I can still play at that pace.
May 12, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Goredho said: Production is crude, and this was before I had acquired keyboards, so its a bunch of guitars and a bass competing with each other for your attention. If I revisit it, I would probably swap out some of the guitar tracks for keyboards. Man that is super fun. I listened through my Spark so I could jam along. 1 hour ago, Goredho said: I've been using SoundCloud for awhile now, and while its great for quickly sharing a song online, and it will embed a player widget on all the things, it doesn't offer much else. I'm starting to look at other platforms that might offer more to an independent music creator. Some I know about: ReverbNation: Allows song direct sales, streaming distribution to platforms like apple music & spotify, discovery tools, artist website, widgets for sharing/playback, social media outreach (connect your accounts), song reviewing (with songs receiving an 8.0 being featured on their home page) and so on. It looks like its good for building a following, and mostly targets the artists for revenue. Like, the freemium plan gets you very little, and the more you want, the more you have to spend. Its probably bad for the starving artist, but that's not really me. BandCamp: Seems to be the one that's most trying to help artists. Artist accounts are free, and they don't have all the add on charges. They make their money skimming off the top of music and merchandise sales you make through their platform. They provide similar tools as ReverbNation, but the goal is to get people to buy your shit. They take 10% from merch sales and 15% from music sales, the remainder goes to the artist, which is a lot better cut than you get elsewhere. This seems to really suit gigging bands that are building their following through live performances, and are looking for the platform to handle sales & generate money. Patreon: Not music specific, but a way for creators to humbly (or not) ask for patronage and financial support. I see it used a lot by podcasters and the like, who give access to bonus episodes for your monthly patronage subscription. Basically onlyfans without the ass and titties. I don't see it as a way of attracting listeners, and since its not music focused, there are less music-specific tools. If you have built an audience elsewhere, you can probably monetize it a bit with patreon. There are probably more, but I was curious if anyone here has experience with these platforms and/or if people here are interested in my experience with whichever one I decide on? At this point, I don't really have aspirations of making dough, I'm more interested in seeing if I can better get my music in front of more people who might enjoy it. Right now, its between ReverbNation and BandCamp. I have the most familiarity with Bandcamp, but that isn't saying much
May 12, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, G650 said: Man that is super fun. I listened through my Spark so I could jam along. I have the most familiarity with Bandcamp, but that isn't saying much Cool, yeah, it a fun one. So what are your thoughts on bandcamp, either fro the standpoint as a creator, or as someone consuming music?
May 13, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, G650 said: Man that is super fun. I listened through my Spark so I could jam along. Volume swells are very Alex Lifeson. Good job!
May 13, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Volume swells are very Alex Lifeson. Good job! Appreciate it, and I love Rush/Lifeson. If you got time to listen to this one, I'd be curious about your thoughts/feedback? Part of the intent of this song is to make some more accessible music that might appeal to more than guitar nerds.
May 13, 20232 yr Man, I like that a lot. The vocals are totally cool. Who is that singing? Personally, I'd dial up the low end to emphasize the groove more, but I'm not exactly listening on great monitors, so who knows? I wish I could do keys and synths like that, I can play piano just fine, probably a lot better than fine, but I just never learned that production layering technique. Love the break, too. Make this thing slam more! (There's my criticism.)
May 13, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said: Man, I like that a lot. The vocals are totally cool. Who is that singing? Personally, I'd dial up the low end to emphasize the groove more, but I'm not exactly listening on great monitors, so who knows? I wish I could do keys and synths like that, I can play piano just fine, probably a lot better than fine, but I just never learned that production layering technique. Love the break, too. Make this thing slam more! (There's my criticism.) Thanks, appreciate that feedback, I'll see about tweaking the low end a bit. As for the singing...
May 13, 20232 yr Just now, jimmyjazz said: Oh, I didn't realize you had sampled her. Sounds really good (as it should). Yeah, found an acapella version on youtube and ripped it. Audio Hijack is a pretty cool tool for grabbing audio from anything. I have a session set up where I can capture the audio from my browser, so I can capture the audio of youtube videos, another for spotify to grab any of that, etc...
May 13, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Goredho said: Yeah, found an acapella version on youtube and ripped it. Audio Hijack is a pretty cool tool for grabbing audio from anything. I have a session set up where I can capture the audio from my browser, so I can capture the audio of youtube videos, another for spotify to grab any of that, etc... Maybe mix in a little David Lee Roth? (Just kidding.)
May 13, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Maybe mix in a little David Lee Roth? (Just kidding.) Maybe some Barry White over the piano break Edited May 13, 20232 yr by Goredho
May 13, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Goredho said: Thanks, appreciate that feedback, I'll see about tweaking the low end a bit. As for the singing... Got damn I love ke some Linda Ronstadt. 10 hours ago, Goredho said: Cool, yeah, it a fun one. So what are your thoughts on bandcamp, either fro the standpoint as a creator, or as someone consuming music? There not a super huge difference from SoundCloud, but I think the interface is a little better as a creator for packaging the content. Plus you can sell downloads. I actually have never used it as a consumer I don't think.
May 14, 20232 yr On 5/12/2023 at 7:56 PM, Goredho said: Appreciate it, and I love Rush/Lifeson. If you got time to listen to this one, I'd be curious about your thoughts/feedback? Part of the intent of this song is to make some more accessible music that might appeal to more than guitar nerds. One of the things that always trips me up is the pic to associate with a song or album. I inevitably go back and find a picture of a guitar and use that, like I did here. So I decided to experiment with AI art generation for this purpose. For this song, I used the prompt: ”a picture of a woman in neglige with mixed emotions. she looks sad, longing, resentful and angry.” This is what it spit out. Thoughts?
May 14, 20232 yr It's interesting . . . the eyes are all kinds of f'ed up, though. Edited May 14, 20232 yr by jimmyjazz
May 14, 20232 yr 46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: It's interesting . . . the eyes are all kinds of f'ed up, thoug. 24 minutes ago, G650 said: I'm fucking scared is my thoughts Yeah, generative AI is a big impending change. Like, think about Pink Floyd and the role Storm Thorgerson played in their run. All their album covers, etc…. For an independent artist with limited resources to sink into graphic design, photographers, etc…. generative AI might help them provide a more professional product more cheaply and quickly while allowing them to focus more resources and time on their music. For the graphic artists, it should be scary as fuck. Like the time to produce this image included the time to come up with those two sentences and about 4 seconds for the AI to analyze the request and produce the image. It cost $29.99 for the app in the App Store, and that would be divided across however many digital songs or albums I use it to produce artwork for. Is this on par with a Pink Floyd album cover? Obviously not, but this is a nascent technology that is going to only get better and better. AI is fully capable of composing, producing, mixing and mastering music, too.
May 15, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: What app is it? This was using Wonder, an apple mobile app. I'm also gonna play with a few others that are web based like NightCafe, Jasper Art, Starry AI, etc... Will post some examples from these other products.
May 15, 20232 yr This is StarryAI (webapp), which will not only do "art", but realistic photos. Here's the photo it generated given the same instructions: It uses a subscription model, its cheapest plan is $8.99 a month for up to 200 image generations in a month. It offer 5 image generations for free, then you need to pay for a plan. So did another photo test for it, and I asked it for: "Make A Photo Of An Indifferent Man Leaving The Room While His Anguished Lover Looks After Him." Turns out I should have specified his anguished female lover, but its interesting to see what it produced.
May 15, 20232 yr So I took the generated pic, dropped artist name and song title in it, and it looks like this. Damn sight better than another guitar pic.
May 22, 20232 yr On 5/3/2023 at 4:32 PM, jimmyjazz said: Man, I am a huge Gerry Rafferty fan. It's interesting, your post made me go look up Chipping Norton, and I'll be damned, there is a clear sonic & aesthetic vibe to the records out of the place, and they're not exactly all similar artists. Kajagoogoo, Proclaimers, Cutting Crew. Thanks for the deep dive. I just stumbled on this phenomenon again by chance. A&R in New York had to have had one of the most distinctive sounds. I was reading a list of songs in the 60s there, Girl From Ipanema by Stan Getz, Thank the Lord For the Night Time by Neil Diamond, I Dig Rock and Roll Music by PPM, Domino by Van, and it instantly heard in my head those songs all the same imprint on them despite being very different.
May 24, 20232 yr Playing with cutting up some Lisa Gerrard-esque vox and pairing with all kinds of new synth creations i've been working on.
May 24, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, sidis said: Playing with cutting up some Lisa Gerrard-esque vox and pairing with all kinds of new synth creations i've been working on. Love this one.
May 26, 20232 yr Some of you know or gathered that I live on some acreage in the Colorado mountains. We have a small ranch/farm, with alpacas, goats, chickens, ducks, etc... Anyway, the other evening, I was sitting on the porch with a guitar. I was listening to the breeze, the birds, the goats, etc... and started picking out a song. This is the result, and I decided to incorporate as much of that context into the song that I could. It's a pretty simple track musically. Half of it is just a guitar, some rhythmic elements and the ambient sounds of the farm. I think the fiddle melody and harmony make the track, though. The mix was rushed this morning, so I'll revisit that next week. Edited May 26, 20232 yr by Goredho HAHA, enjoy the crotch shot...
May 30, 20232 yr Noticed a fair amount I needed to do better with the mix over the weekend. Final mix is below.
June 4, 20232 yr So I rearranged my little studio on the prairie after taking gear out to play live Friday night. What sort of acoustic treatment might make this a better mic/acoustic recording space? Foam on the sides, filling that window cutout, & ceiling? Maybe a rug? I’m probably going to upgrade my monitors at some point this year, and would like to get them up and separated a bit more. Also, this arrived, @jimmyjazz.
June 4, 20232 yr 40 minutes ago, Goredho said: So I rearranged my little studio on the prairie after taking gear out to play live Friday night. What sort of acoustic treatment might make this a better mic/acoustic recording space? Foam on the sides, filling that window cutout, & ceiling? Maybe a rug? I’m probably going to upgrade my monitors at some point this year, and would like to get them up and separated a bit more. Also, this arrived, @jimmyjazz. You should relic the Supro.
June 4, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, noharleyyet said: You should relic the Supro. I bought it used, but I think the guy who owned it before kept it under a bushel
June 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Goredho said: So I rearranged my little studio on the prairie after taking gear out to play live Friday night. What sort of acoustic treatment might make this a better mic/acoustic recording space? Foam on the sides, filling that window cutout, & ceiling? Maybe a rug? I’m probably going to upgrade my monitors at some point this year, and would like to get them up and separated a bit more. Also, this arrived, @jimmyjazz. If you're up for a little craftiness, some 2" - 4" thick Owens Corning 703 or 705 semi-rigid fiberglass panels covered in burlap will kill a ton of the high frequency trash in that space. There's not a lot you can do to smooth out the low frequency response, maybe some bass traps in the corners, but you're stuck with the small room geometry, which means the low frequency modes will be too high into the bass range of the music and too far spaced to not color that response. It's the curse of a small room. Let us know what you think of that microphone, I need to order one myself.
June 4, 20232 yr Yeah as Jimmy says, 4" 703 absorbers will help. You could do some corner bass traps as well. Have you measured your space with REW or similar yet?
June 19, 20232 yr https://on.soundcloud.com/KmAjjdEBZnGxRvYC8 posted in guitar thread. I haven’t mixed any of this. Long story drummer learned to use my studio and something happened I had to take it back now I have to hook it back up. Any was real rough mix no effects at all just me and acoustic and a mic w backing tracks
June 27, 20232 yr So here's one from the way back lol files. My drummer gave me a tape awhile back he had of show we did in high school, creeping up on 30 years ago. Man, what a trip. I've been meaning to digitize these for awhile, just getting to it. The chintzy tape player I got off Amazon sucks bad, very unstable speed wise, so it's just all wow and flutter. The spectrum analysis is hilarious too, zero content above 7k other than hiss. This may have actually been originally recorded on VHS given that. I think I'm going to grab a legit old deck off eBay to try and recapture. It's pretty amazing to me how "90's" these songs sound to me now.
June 27, 20232 yr 58 minutes ago, G650 said: So here's one from the way back lol files. My drummer gave me a tape awhile back he had of show we did in high school, creeping up on 30 years ago. Man, what a trip. I've been meaning to digitize these for awhile, just getting to it. The chintzy tape player I got off Amazon sucks bad, very unstable speed wise, so it's just all wow and flutter. The spectrum analysis is hilarious too, zero content above 7k other than hiss. This may have actually been originally recorded on VHS given that. I think I'm going to grab a legit old deck off eBay to try and recapture. It's pretty amazing to me how "90's" these songs sound to me now. I really dig that. Definitely has a 90s vibe with those dirty octaves. Strikes me as a more angry Harvey Danger or something.
June 27, 20232 yr That's cool, @G650. Kinda Sonic Youthy in the guitar, but not so much the actual song. Where was that show?
June 27, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: That's cool, @G650. Kinda Sonic Youthy in the guitar, but not so much the actual song. Where was that show? Norfolk Academy Auditorium, Norfolk Va. You guys are lucky to be the first to receive the almost 30th anniversary Deluxe Edition, with concert photos!
June 27, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, G650 said: Norfolk Academy Auditorium, Norfolk Va. You guys are lucky to be the first to receive the almost 30th anniversary Deluxe Edition, with concert photos!
June 28, 20232 yr I’ve never been so struck by the profoundness of a silly insta meme before. nails it for me.
June 28, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, sidis said: I’ve never been so struck by the profoundness of a silly insta meme before. nails it for me.
June 30, 20232 yr On 6/28/2023 at 10:59 AM, sidis said: I’ve never been so struck by the profoundness of a silly insta meme before. nails it for me. I had to send this to my old band mates the other day, it's fucking perfect and hilarious.
July 8, 20232 yr I probably should have apologized in advance because I'm going to make you guys suffer through all 10 of these.
July 8, 20232 yr On 6/27/2023 at 3:24 PM, G650 said: So here's one from the way back lol files. My drummer gave me a tape awhile back he had of show we did in high school, creeping up on 30 years ago. Man, what a trip. I've been meaning to digitize these for awhile, just getting to it. The chintzy tape player I got off Amazon sucks bad, very unstable speed wise, so it's just all wow and flutter. The spectrum analysis is hilarious too, zero content above 7k other than hiss. This may have actually been originally recorded on VHS given that. I think I'm going to grab a legit old deck off eBay to try and recapture. It's pretty amazing to me how "90's" these songs sound to me now. Better quality version of this. I picked up an old Denon Hifi deck off eBay and ran it through my Focusrite Edited July 8, 20232 yr by G650
July 8, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, G650 said: I probably should have apologized in advance because I'm going to make you guys suffer through all 10 of these. Heh! Make me suffer. I dig that That Misty Mountain Hopish riff and the guitar solos at 2:10. 2 hours ago, G650 said: Better quality version of this. I picked up an old Denon Hifi deck off eBay and ran it through my Focusrite Very cool, rocks hard af, then I love the throttled back breakdown at 2:40
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