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#2953
On 7/21/2025 at 6:02 PM, Guadaloopy said:

Sorry for the Twitter link, but Talarico's feed on BlueSky is just a few months old and I remembered this particular press appearance from the election days.   He's reprised the "WWJD" argument several times since then.  I voted for Harris and his approach rubbed me the wrong way then, and still makes me uncomfortable. 

Too many Christians have forgotten Jesus and now worship at the feet of Donald Trump:A business cheat, a pathological liar, a serial adulterer, a twice-impeached insurrectionist, a convicted felon, and an adjudicated rapist.I guess it's “hate the sin, elect the sinner.”

 

Yes, like others, I see that as calling out the hypocrisy as opposed to demanding that real Christianity dictate the outcome.

As soon as he starts using Jesus or Christian arguments of a certain strain to support legislation, then I'm right with ya.

#2954
On 7/8/2025 at 11:38 AM, Pancho said:

Sounds like Talarico is going on Rogan 

 

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#2955

If the democrats weren’t such fucking cowards they would be out there promising that WHEN they return to power there will be consequences for foreign and domestic figures who aid the Trump regime. Nayib Bukele and every other foreign leader taking third country deportees should have known in no uncertain terms that if they disappeared people on Trump’s behalf their countries would be sanctioned, and it would simply be a matter of time. Tulsi and Stephen Miller should be afraid. ICE should be so scared they won’t even show their faces… oh wait.

Is anyone afraid of the democrats?

#2956
11 hours ago, Thermos H. Christ said:

If the democrats weren’t such fucking cowards they would be out there promising that WHEN they return to power there will be consequences for foreign and domestic figures who aid the Trump regime. Nayib Bukele and every other foreign leader taking third country deportees should have known in no uncertain terms that if they disappeared people on Trump’s behalf their countries would be sanctioned, and it would simply be a matter of time. Tulsi and Stephen Miller should be afraid. ICE should be so scared they won’t even show their faces… oh wait.

Is anyone afraid of the democrats?

This. 

#2957

I can’t find the interview to post, but Talarico was spitting fire Tuesday night on MSNBC. His quote- “The only minorities destroying America are the billionaires.”

#2958
21 minutes ago, 254512 said:

I can’t find the interview to post, but Talarico was spitting fire Tuesday night on MSNBC. His quote- “The only minorities destroying America are the billionaires.”

Sorry too religious

 

/democrats

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#2960

Is it, though?

It's amazing that we have video of Epstein pleading the fifth on him and Trump socializing "in the presence of females under the age of 18" and it was never used during the 2016, 2020, or 2024 elections https://t.co/kUxr1eSOME

 

#2961
I can’t find the interview to post, but Talarico was spitting fire Tuesday night on MSNBC. His quote- “The only minorities destroying America are the billionaires.”

Yeah. They interviewed him at an event in Plano that we attended. Over 1K attended and they had to do another event a block over for the overflow. That’s where MSNBC did the interview. He was good, clear and concise. Spoke with him briefly.
#2962
22 hours ago, 254512 said:

I can’t find the interview to post, but Talarico was spitting fire Tuesday night on MSNBC. His quote- “The only minorities destroying America are the billionaires.”

I and maybe thousands of others have had this exact quote written on a sign over the past few months. I think Texas Dems are starting to get with it. This is exhibit A.

Exhibit B is the Dems making a spectacle out of the upcoming redistricting hearings this Saturday.

Nothing to lose

 

 

 

#2963
New WSJ poll: The Democratic Party is 30 points under water with registered voters, considerably worse than the GOP (-11). https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/democratic-party-poll-voter-confidence-july-2025-9db38021

 

#2964

i dunno, that looks like they both suck lol

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#2965
1 hour ago, Ted Lange said:
New WSJ poll: The Democratic Party is 30 points under water with registered voters, considerably worse than the GOP (-11). https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/democratic-party-poll-voter-confidence-july-2025-9db38021

 

They'll take this as further evidence that they should move to the center.

#2966
1 hour ago, Ted Lange said:
New WSJ poll: The Democratic Party is 30 points under water with registered voters, considerably worse than the GOP (-11). https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/democratic-party-poll-voter-confidence-july-2025-9db38021

 

I'm not sure "democratic party" isn't just fatally toxic as a brand at this point.

#2969

Seems like Talarico has gotten the attention of the national party. Have seen a couple network appearances along with the Rogan pod as of late.

#2970

So I talked to Chair Scudder today, and he is still willing to come take the slings and arrows you guys want to toss at the TDP.  I am figuring some night the week starting on 8/11.  Would hold a zoom where you all will get an invite link posted here and can attend incognito.  Would start at 8.  I just want you folks to let me know which night is best for you all.   I'm not sure how to do a poll in here, and think maybe you have to start a new thread, so I will just keep an informal tally from responses here.  Hardball questions are ok, but trolling is not.  

#2971

It's stunning that America's "left-leaning" political party can't seem use stories like this to its advantage.

Brian Niccol received more than $97.8m in total compensation in 2024. The typical Starbucks worker’s pay was less than $15,000. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/24/trump-bill-ceo-pay-starbucks?CMP=us_bsky&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Bluesky#Echobox=1753733988-1

 

#2972
1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

It's stunning that America's "left-leaning" political party can't seem use stories like this to its advantage.

Brian Niccol received more than $97.8m in total compensation in 2024. The typical Starbucks worker’s pay was less than $15,000. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/24/trump-bill-ceo-pay-starbucks?CMP=us_bsky&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Bluesky#Echobox=1753733988-1

 

That's an interesting number... 

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#2973
4 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

So I talked to Chair Scudder today, and he is still willing to come take the slings and arrows you guys want to toss at the TDP.  I am figuring some night the week starting on 8/11.  Would hold a zoom where you all will get an invite link posted here and can attend incognito.  Would start at 8.  I just want you folks to let me know which night is best for you all.   I'm not sure how to do a poll in here, and think maybe you have to start a new thread, so I will just keep an informal tally from responses here.  Hardball questions are ok, but trolling is not.  

Fuck that. We can do an AMA here, ain't no one getting on a fucking zoom. 

#2974
On 7/24/2025 at 9:28 AM, David Dennison said:

Is it, though?

It's amazing that we have video of Epstein pleading the fifth on him and Trump socializing "in the presence of females under the age of 18" and it was never used during the 2016, 2020, or 2024 elections https://t.co/kUxr1eSOME

 

Nope. And I am pretty sure that if they HAD used it, it would have had little or no effect. 

Something like, "Well, sure, Trump is a pedophile, but the price of gas! Eggs!"

#2975
On 7/26/2025 at 5:06 PM, Goredho said:

I'm not sure "democratic party" isn't just fatally toxic as a brand at this point.

That happens when you stand for nothing people need to help them in their daily lives. GOP lite creeping towards GOP proper as a brand is showing itself as one of the worst ongoing product shifts ever. Think New Coke, but if they had just kept coming up with newer Cokes every couple years rather than getting back to what worked.

Fuck centrist feelings. Embrace what Mamdani stands for, which is policy innovation and/or experimentation for the people. Suck it up and take the good with the bad. Lord knows Trumpers have learned to do it.

We need a vibrant and organized opposition, not a Clinton/Obama wunderkind executing yet another delaying action against the slow march of the oligarchy as it pushes liberal democracy into the sea. 

#2976
6 hours ago, immamac said:

Fuck that. We can do an AMA here, ain't no one getting on a fucking zoom. 

No problem.  That's your forte.  Lead on.

 

#2977
45 minutes ago, softlynow said:

That happens when you stand for nothing people need to help them in their daily lives. GOP lite creeping towards GOP proper as a brand is showing itself as one of the worst ongoing product shifts ever. Think New Coke, but if they had just kept coming up with newer Cokes every couple years rather than getting back to what worked.

Fuck centrist feelings. Embrace what Mamdani stands for, which is policy innovation and/or experimentation for the people. Suck it up and take the good with the bad. Lord knows Trumpers have learned to do it.

We need a vibrant and organized opposition, not a Clinton/Obama wunderkind executing yet another delaying action against the slow march of the oligarchy as it pushes liberal democracy into the sea. 

The assumption seems to be that people prefer a higher ceiling for a higher floor.

#2978
1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

The assumption seems to be that people prefer a higher ceiling for a higher floor.

Whose assumption?

#2979
29 minutes ago, softlynow said:

Whose assumption?

The institutional thought leaders who keep pushing the "new coke" GOP lite analogy you so aptly described.

#2980
It seems the pro-Israel consensus among Democrats is well and truly dead at this point. Dem primary voters prefer candidates who refuse to travel to Israel (by net +45%) and back a bill to end military aid to Israel (by net +61%). https://www.filesforprogress.org/datasets/2025/7/dfp_imeu_nyc_dem_primary_retro.pdf

 

#2981

Meanwhile...

What a fucking idiot. The way the more pro-Israel members of the party have messaged on Israel and anti-Semitism is just beyond fucking stupid. 

#2982
4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Meanwhile...

What a fucking idiot. The way the more pro-Israel members of the party have messaged on Israel and anti-Semitism is just beyond fucking stupid. 

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#2983

"The real way to get voters to like me and my party are to go on the nazi pedophile's show and tell him and his audience that they're right that actually it's Democratic base voters who are the real anti-Semites!" 

This is how one of the party's supposed stars thinks. 

#2984

It's like Shapiro and Newsom are in a race to disqualify themselves as serious presidential candidates

#2985
1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

The institutional thought leaders who keep pushing the "new coke" GOP lite analogy you so aptly described.

Yep. Fuck those guys. 

#2986

You guys aren't thinking about the funny nicknames The Nuge has lined up for Republicans when he switches parties.

and thats a major blindspot for you guys

#2987

Andy Samberg GIF
 

 

Emil Bove's confirmation was only possible because Democrats caved to a vile right-wing smear campaign of Adeel Mangi, who would have been the first Muslim appeals court judge, when Biden nominated him for the same seat last year. Absolutely disgraceful. Bove's confirmation is on them, too. https://ballsandstrikes.org/nominations/emil-bove-confirmed-adeel-mangi-senate-democrats/

 

#2989
8 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Andy Samberg GIF
 

 

Emil Bove's confirmation was only possible because Democrats caved to a vile right-wing smear campaign of Adeel Mangi, who would have been the first Muslim appeals court judge, when Biden nominated him for the same seat last year. Absolutely disgraceful. Bove's confirmation is on them, too. https://ballsandstrikes.org/nominations/emil-bove-confirmed-adeel-mangi-senate-democrats/

 


I mean the Republican Party is like ALS x Hiroshima x stage 4 ass cancer to vote for this guy. But democrats created this opportunity. 

#2990
16 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Andy Samberg GIF
 

 

Emil Bove's confirmation was only possible because Democrats caved to a vile right-wing smear campaign of Adeel Mangi, who would have been the first Muslim appeals court judge, when Biden nominated him for the same seat last year. Absolutely disgraceful. Bove's confirmation is on them, too. https://ballsandstrikes.org/nominations/emil-bove-confirmed-adeel-mangi-senate-democrats/

 

This guy is 44 years old 

#2991

People think I'm trying to be funny for internet points or "cool" or "edgy" when I say that the entire roster of party leaders needs to be fired and exiled. I'm not. It's not hyperbole. You cannot convince me that a worse group of people for the job exists.

#2993
1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

People think I'm trying to be funny for internet points or "cool" or "edgy" when I say that the entire roster of party leaders needs to be fired and exiled. I'm not. It's not hyperbole. You cannot convince me that a worse group of people for the job exists.

This country needs more than two viable parties in the worst way.

#2997
3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This country needs more than two viable parties in the worst way.

Well, we've got the two worst, so what could another few hurt? 

#2998
9 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This country needs more than two viable parties in the worst way.

Agree. But we eat our own. We need to instead support (former) Democrats who for one reason or another disband. And when I say support I don’t mean vote or fund, but acknowledge a shift change and ideology difference and recognize that a defection from the big tent is actually a good thing. It’s good for Democrats who don’t need distraction and internal strife, it’s good for voters to have more options, and it’s good for democracy.

When Andrew Yang tried to spin off one, it gets met with the worst kind of derision and mockery and personal attacks to the man. The same man whom many were at least somewhat agreeable to when he was on the (D) team.

When Musk talks about creating a third party…. Okay, I’ll concede that point. You can’t decouple the disaster that is Elon Musk from his advocacy of a 3rd party and his scorn for pushing for a 3rd party was mostly warranted.

#2999
1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

Agree. But we eat our own. We need to instead support (former) Democrats who for one reason or another disband. And when I say support I don’t mean vote or fund, but acknowledge a shift change and ideology difference and recognize that a defection from the big tent is actually a good thing. It’s good for Democrats who don’t need distraction and internal strife, it’s good for voters to have more options, and it’s good for democracy.

When Andrew Yang tried to spin off one, it gets met with the worst kind of derision and mockery and personal attacks to the man. The same man whom many were at least somewhat agreeable to when he was on the (D) team.

When Musk talks about creating a third party…. Okay, I’ll concede that point. You can’t decouple the disaster that is Elon Musk from his advocacy of a 3rd party and his scorn for pushing for a 3rd party was mostly warranted.

Centrists aren't real

Andrew Yang's ideas are as childish as Elon's, they're just not shitty and racist

#3000
3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Centrists aren't real

Andrew Yang's ideas are as childish as Elon's, they're just not shitty and racist

This is exactly what I don’t get. We lambast the two party system we’ve self imposed via a 200 year coalescence, but then in the next breath say “only left or right is real, a third option isn’t real”.

ideas that aren’t evil and racist, but are different and you disagree with them, doesn’t mean they are inherently stupid or wrong necessarily. 

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