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#4551
1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Yes. Because the best way to get ahead in the US in 2025 is to be a secret Nazi not a completely out in the open Nazi 🙄

"Let's plant a nazi in the Democratic party, we could probably sneak one through in a weird small state like Maine" would be far from the worst idea they've ever had.

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#4552
5 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Betting that “vote for the most bipartisan Senator in Congress over the guy with a Nazi tattoo” won’t work on the normies that don’t follow politics is a hell of a gamble.

Not saying he can’t be the candidate, but you better have irrefutable evidence that he can overcome “do you really want to vote for Hitler??!?” commercials during every college football commercial break next year.

Have you ever been to Maine? It’s like a colder, less classy version of the Florida panhandle. 

#4554
5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Can we at least see the whole tattoo before we go insane lmao gawd dayum

Can we stop going nuts about a guy that might not even win the primary in…checks notes…Maine?

#4555
The tattoo is a reference to Appalachian Mountain Club’s White Mountain Trail Crew — informally known as the Trail (Fixing|Fucking) Crew — which was established in 1919, and on which Platner worked in 2002 https://outsideinradio.org/shows/episode16 [contains quote post or other embedded content]
It is the TFC, he was on the 2002 crew. https://www.amctca.com/wp-content/uploads/Chips-and-Clippings-2022.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/04/492599414/for-new-hampshire-s-white-mountain-trail-crew-comfort-comes-second-to-ragged-fun

once again, Liberals are afraid of their own fucking shadows

#4562

The last few pages are why I have zero faith democrats will ever form a viable opposition.

#4563
14 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You might be in a bit of a pickle if you have to do this much explaining.

Maybe if the DNC were capable of anything, this wouldn’t be happening. 

#4565
26 minutes ago, chainsaw said:
The tattoo is a reference to Appalachian Mountain Club’s White Mountain Trail Crew — informally known as the Trail (Fixing|Fucking) Crew — which was established in 1919, and on which Platner worked in 2002 https://outsideinradio.org/shows/episode16 [contains quote post or other embedded content]
It is the TFC, he was on the 2002 crew. https://www.amctca.com/wp-content/uploads/Chips-and-Clippings-2022.pdf

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/04/492599414/for-new-hampshire-s-white-mountain-trail-crew-comfort-comes-second-to-ragged-fun

once again, Liberals are afraid of their own fucking shadows

Literally the biggest pussies on the planet. 

#4566
2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Literally the biggest pussies on the planet. 

Oh, I don't know about that.  Horseshoe theory and all that.....

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#4568

Getting your news from a group that paid nearly $800,000,000.00 to settle a lawsuit after admitting it broadcast, get this, fake news, is certainly a choice.

#4569
2 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

 

Now do MAGAts on any topic that requires information and knowledge. 

#4570
20 minutes ago, G650 said:

The last few pages are why I have zero faith democrats will ever form a viable opposition.

Why do you think “guy with a totenkopf tattoo” can be part of a viable opposition to Nazis?

#4571
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Why do you think “guy with a totenkopf tattoo” can be part of a viable opposition to Nazis?

Same reason that middle America thinks that a failed NY businessman who lives in gilded palaces represents the working man.

Because this fucking timeline.  There are no fucking rules anymore.

#4572
6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Now do MAGAts on any topic that requires information and knowledge. 

wrong thread

#4574
42 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Why do you think “guy with a totenkopf tattoo” can be part of a viable opposition to Nazis?

Why do you not

#4575
13 minutes ago, G650 said:

Why do you not

The totenkopf tattoo. I feel like I’ve been pretty clear about this.

#4578
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh, I don't know about that.  Horseshoe theory and all that.....

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I stand corrected! Cheerfully withdrawn.

#4579
12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The totenkopf tattoo. I feel like I’ve been pretty clear about this.

Leaving aside the somewhat marginal Nazi-ness of the totenkopf, did you think Al Franken should resign for simulating “tune-in Tokyo”?

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#4581
2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Leaving aside the somewhat marginal Nazi-ness of the totenkopf, did you think Al Franken should resign for simulating “tune-in Tokyo”?

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#4583
19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The totenkopf tattoo. I feel like I’ve been pretty clear about this.

As I said, a totenkopf tattoo doesn't even move the needle for me on a jarhead from that era. If the dude had sig runes and a history of Nazi beliefs then I would say no way, but this is mildly annoying at best.

#4584
22 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Leaving aside the somewhat marginal Nazi-ness of the totenkopf, did you think Al Franken should resign for simulating “tune-in Tokyo”?

I thought it was pretty weak but didn't really have a huge problem with the party trying to draw a strict line against harassing women. Do you think his replacement has been bad at the job?

ETA: and it's not somewhat marginally nazi, it's what their fucking death camp guards wore. It's arguably more offensive than the swastika. Trying to downplay it is some heinous shit man.

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#4585
8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I thought it was pretty weak but didn't really have a huge problem with the party trying to draw a strict line against harassing women. Do you think his replacement has been bad at the job?

ETA: and it's not somewhat marginally nazi, it's what their fucking death camp guards wore. It's arguably more offensive than the swastika. Trying to downplay it is some heinous shit man.

We're not debating the symbol here. We're debating whether Platner is a secret Nazi.

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#4586

I get it, you're all fucking fried by the nazis winning again, especially Bozo. But they didn't win because everyone likes nazis now. They won because most people didn't believe they're nazis. There's a reason GOP senators are still folding when guys who are too publicly nazi are proposed for senate-confirmed positions, and it's that most people still hate obvious nazi shit.  Running a guy with a fucking nazi death camp tattoo won't increase the chances of winning a coin flip election against Susan Collins. This isn't "we should run the safest candidate," it's simply "this guy ain't fuckin it." He's going to continue to have more embarrassing shit like this come out, because he's at best a huge dumbass with no impulse control. And nominating him would be like if the GOP nominated a pro-abortion candidate: it would destroy the party. It's a big tent right now and we need to make room for a ton of people, but "no nazis allowed" is the party's whole fucking deal right now. 

#4587
2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I get it, you're all fucking fried by the nazis winning again, especially Bozo. But they didn't win because everyone likes nazis now. They won because most people didn't believe they're nazis. There's a reason GOP senators are still folding when guys who are too publicly nazi are proposed for senate-confirmed positions, and it's that most people still hate obvious nazi shit.  Running a guy with a fucking nazi death camp tattoo won't increase the chances of winning a coin flip election against Susan Collins. This isn't "we should run the safest candidate," it's simply "this guy ain't fuckin it." He's going to continue to have more embarrassing shit like this come out, because he's at best a huge dumbass with no impulse control. And nominating him would be like if the GOP nominated a pro-abortion candidate: it would destroy the party. It's a big tent right now and we need to make room for a ton of people, but "no nazis allowed" is the party's whole fucking deal right now. 

Counterpoint: nazis and racism and religious hatred have been normalized more in the last 9 months than in the previous 50 years.  They are no longer a problem, they are mainstream and ordinary now.

I am as shocked an appalled as anyone that this is where we are.  But look around you.  This is indeed where we are.

Win.  Win at all costs.  It is the only imperative.  If you don't win, then you can't even slow down the fascists.

#4588
5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He's going to continue to have more embarrassing shit like this come out, because he's at best a huge dumbass with no impulse control.

If that's true then you have nothing to worry about.

#4589
19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

: and it's not somewhat marginally nazi, it's what their fucking death camp guards wore. It's arguably more offensive than the swastika. Trying to downplay it is some heinous shit man

Several people are trying to tell you that this is 100% not the case but you just don't want to hear it.

#4590
4 minutes ago, G650 said:

Several people are trying to tell you that this is 100% not the case but you just don't want to hear it.

I didn't say it's more known, I said it's arguably more offensive. Men wearing that fucking symbol gassed some of my family, I'm pretty sure I've got the right to feel that way. 

#4591
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I didn't say it's more known, I said it's arguably more offensive. Men wearing that fucking symbol gassed some of my family, I'm pretty sure I've got the right to feel that way. 

I mean, you have the right to feel however you want regardless, everyone does. But the point I'm trying to relate is there's a lot of people who have sported these who are in no way even Nazi adjacent. There is literally no one with a swastika tattoo you can say that about. And given this dude doesn't have any history of spouting Nazi talking points I have no issue with him just getting it covered now. 

 

 

#4592
24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Counterpoint: nazis and racism and religious hatred have been normalized more in the last 9 months than in the previous 50 years.  They are no longer a problem, they are mainstream and ordinary now AS LONG AS THEY HAVE AN (R) NEXT TO THEIR NAME.

I am as shocked an appalled as anyone that this is where we are.  But look around you.  This is indeed where we are.

Win.  Win at all costs.  It is the only imperative.  If you don't win, then you can't even slow down the fascists.

Small, but I'd argue very important, addendum to your post.

With the exception of maybe one person, I don't think anyone in here actually thinks he's a Nazi.  I am worried about the types of things that easily sway the low-informed voter.  Nazi tattoos are, traditionally, pretty high on that list.  And I know you recognize as well as anyone that the average voter holds Democratic candidates to a different standard than Republican ones.

And to be clear, I am absolutely certain he would make a better Senator than anyone else being discussed.  This has nothing to do with that.  As you said, it's about winning.

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#4593

I’ve not been able to find a picture of the tattoo online-what exactly is the symbol that’s caused so much ruckus?

#4594
6 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I’ve not been able to find a picture of the tattoo online-what exactly is the symbol that’s caused so much ruckus?

page 88.

 

ooooh, i think '88' is a nazi symbol also.  uh oh.

 

#4595
42 minutes ago, G650 said:

I mean, you have the right to feel however you want regardless, everyone does. But the point I'm trying to relate is there's a lot of people who have sported these who are in no way even Nazi adjacent. There is literally no one with a swastika tattoo you can say that about. And given this dude doesn't have any history of spouting Nazi talking points I have no issue with him just getting it covered now. 

I'm extremely skeptical that he didn't know what it was when he got it, but let's say he didn't. When, exactly, was he made aware of what it was and why didn't he do something about it immediately?

#4596
10 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm extremely skeptical that he didn't know what it was when he got it, but let's say he didn't. When, exactly, was he made aware of what it was and why didn't he do something about it immediately?

I don't really think he needs to have it covered now so I don't have an answer to that question. Simply stating he probably shouldn't have gotten it in the first place is sufficient for me.

#4597
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

it's not somewhat marginally nazi, it's what their fucking death camp guards wore. It's arguably more offensive than the swastika. Trying to downplay it is some heinous shit man.

I’m not downplaying anything.  All jokes aside, and with all due respect to your family history, my grandfather shot and possibly stabbed some people wearing it to death in the Ardenne Forest, so I get it. 

HOWEVER- it seems borderline absurd to compare it to the swastika. The totenkopf was and is historic German military insignia going back to the 19th century and on top of that it’s just not very well known. The swastika, on the other hand, is immediately and universally understood to be Nazi insignia because it was specifically adopted by the Nazis, which is why despite 7000 years of humans using it all over the world, most of them from Kipling to the Navajo to the American Girl Scouts stopped using it.

There are some notable exceptions. The Finns have an ancient historic connection and still use it in military contexts occasionally. It’s also used extensively in religious imagery by Hindus. If Ro Khanna has a depiction of Ganesh in his home that features the Swastika, should he resign?

Look,  I’m not arguing that Platner should be proud of a trashy tattoo. But it is highly unlikely that most Americans would look at that image and recognize it as Nazi imagery.  

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#4598
4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Oh good, I guess he just had the one nazi tattoo. That’s fine.

Is there a picture of his actual tattoo that I missed?

#4599
49 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm extremely skeptical that he didn't know what it was when he got it, but let's say he didn't. When, exactly, was he made aware of what it was and why didn't he do something about it immediately?

What did you score on the bubble test?

#4600
30 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Finns have an ancient historic connection and still use it in military contexts occasionally. 

That's fuckin' wild

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