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3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree with you on principle, but to be fair Mamdani promised some very silly and fantastical things. 

Well that strategy has certainly led donald trump to ruin, amirite?? 

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Well that strategy has certainly led donald trump to ruin, amirite?? 

Bingo. Dems need to run on rainbow and unicorn shit, and then when it doesn’t work/happen, blame Trump.
1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo. Dems need to run on rainbow and unicorn shit, and then when it doesn’t work/happen, blame Trump.

The rub is: establishment dems and the primary process guarantee this would never make it to the general. See: NYC mayoral race flipping the FUCK out over a progressive

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14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Well that strategy has certainly led donald trump to ruin, amirite?? 

It’s a good campaign strategy if people either believe it or don’t care. 

19 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

I think doomsday-libertarian Peter Thiel in 2020 stumbled onto what has been self-evident for quite some time now. 

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Yesterday I stumbled onto the new Peter Thiel interview on the NY Times. watch/listen

Not that I didn't think this before, but he's even weirder than I thought. He has this core belief that the world became stagnant after Los Alamos '45 or perhaps the Moon landing in '69. Even to a point that the internet and now AI wasn't as big of a deal.

He's also comes across as very fixated that we haven't discovered more (any?) cures or treatment for dementia. Either he had just finished reading an article about that so it was top of mind, or I have to wonder if he has a personal fear that is his near-term future. I will psychoanalyze him further in that some in his position of wealth, power and arrogance can get very upset when they recognize their mortality. I'm ~2 years younger than Thiel, and it's a sobering fact in your mid-50s that your highly productive years are behind you and/or quickly ending. You have to accept that the world now belongs to younger people. Life isn't over but you won't be around to experience 50 years from now.

I hadn't realized that he hasn't made any political donations since the '22 cycle due to disillusionment of MAGA.

3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree with you on principle, but to be fair Mamdani promised some very silly and fantastical things. 

Our society, as it currently stands, can accept anything with the exception of boredom. Anything that isn't silly or fantastical in the political realm is boring. 

Getting housing prices under control in one of the most fucked up real estate markets in the world: Silly and fantastical.

 - Bozo Casanova, Maestro

8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Getting housing prices under control in one of the most fucked up real estate markets in the world: Silly and fantastical.

 - Bozo Casanova, Maestro

Why do you think God invented Staten Island? It wasn't because he thought it was cool.

9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Getting housing prices under control in one of the most fucked up real estate markets in the world: Silly and fantastical.

 - Bozo Casanova, Maestro

Government can make markets more or less efficient, but trying to control markets is like trying to control weather: you can try!

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Government can make markets more or less efficient, but trying to control markets is like trying to control weather: you can try!

It’s like you don’t even Jewish space lasers, bro.
4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 Mamdani promised some very silly and fantastical things. 

Sounds...interesting. 

 

Edited by Hank Kingsley

I've never believed in the wisdom of rent control. I get it that it helps renters but it also creates an artificial marketplace that harms others as well. People can't afford a new place because a landlord needs higher rents to cover the fact that another tenant has been paying $200/mo for the last 40 years. Of course, my understanding is that new NYC rent control apartments stopped in the 70s, and those tenants at the time were grandfathered in. Very few of them remain. Their stories are crazy so they often get repeated and believed to be widespread. 

Rent stabilization is the current system that makes more sense. However it still creates an artificial marketplace that eventually gets out of line when its controlled by politicians who answer to said tenants. Who wants to vote for a politicians who indirectly raised your rent.

Stabilization can also lead to subpar living conditions as the apt owner has less incentive to improve the building. Since they have limited availability to sign new tenants, they will do the bare minimum required perhaps even waiting to be forced to do so by the authorities.

21 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

I think doomsday-libertarian Peter Thiel in 2020 stumbled onto what has been self-evident for quite some time now. 

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70% of millennials are not pro socialist.
 

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Yesterday I stumbled onto the new Peter Thiel interview on the NY Times. watch/listen

Not that I didn't think this before, but he's even weirder than I thought. He has this core belief that the world became stagnant after Los Alamos '45 or perhaps the Moon landing in '69. Even to a point that the internet and now AI wasn't as big of a deal.

He's also comes across as very fixated that we haven't discovered more (any?) cures or treatment for dementia. Either he had just finished reading an article about that so it was top of mind, or I have to wonder if he has a personal fear that is his near-term future. I will psychoanalyze him further in that some in his position of wealth, power and arrogance can get very upset when they recognize their mortality. I'm ~2 years younger than Thiel, and it's a sobering fact in your mid-50s that your highly productive years are behind you and/or quickly ending. You have to accept that the world now belongs to younger people. Life isn't over but you won't be around to experience 50 years from now.

I hadn't realized that he hasn't made any political donations since the '22 cycle due to disillusionment of MAGA.

The damage this guy has done is immense. He and his cronies have very little idea of the role of our government.

https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/billionaires-and-the-trump-admin-peter-thiel/

25 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I've never believed in the wisdom of rent control. I get it that it helps renters but it also creates an artificial marketplace that harms others as well. People can't afford a new place because a landlord needs higher rents to cover the fact that another tenant has been paying $200/mo for the last 40 years. Of course, my understanding is that new NYC rent control apartments stopped in the 70s, and those tenants at the time were grandfathered in. Very few of them remain. Their stories are crazy so they often get repeated and believed to be widespread. 

Rent stabilization is the current system that makes more sense. However it still creates an artificial marketplace that eventually gets out of line when its controlled by politicians who answer to said tenants. Who wants to vote for a politicians who indirectly raised your rent.

Stabilization can also lead to subpar living conditions as the apt owner has less incentive to improve the building. Since they have limited availability to sign new tenants, they will do the bare minimum required perhaps even waiting to be forced to do so by the authorities.

Stabilization vs control is basically a distinction without a difference these days (in SF the increase is capped around 2% usually). In addition to everything you mentioned, it decreases the rental supply as landlords take vacant units off the market for condo conversion (or sell to corporate owners with the means to evict). And there is no means testing - I’ve know a few people with such great deals they bought houses in Sonoma or Tahoe and kept their city apartments. And yet in pure Tobias Funke “but maybe this time” fashion, it persists (although St Paul is already walking its disastrous experiment back after just two years). 

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Getting housing prices under control in one of the most fucked up real estate markets in the world: Silly and fantastical.

 - Bozo Casanova, Maestro

 

44 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I've never believed in the wisdom of rent control. I

 

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Government can make markets more or less efficient, but trying to control markets is like trying to control weather: you can try!

 

I hate to jump in here because a) Brian Fantana is a little irrational and b) I'm a far from educated about Mamdani's promises aside from some of the highlights. 

That said, I did listen to his 30 minute interview with Derek Thompson and one take away is his attitude of "let's try it.  If we fail, let's try something else", that is a welcome change from someone high profile in the party.  There's so much risk aversion amongst Democrats and that insecurity doesn't lend itself to campaigns in the 2020's, particularly with younger voters who've grown up in a world so connected that the notion of a private life is a quaint artifact.  

At least on the interview, his specific rent policy was a rent freeze on rent controlled apartments and appeared to be data driven.  

This 2000’s retro craze is really taking off. Girls are wearing low rise jeans with crop tops and it’s socially acceptable to call Muslims terrorists in public again. 

31 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

 

 

 

I hate to jump in here because a) Brian Fantana is a little irrational and b) I'm a far from educated about Mamdani's promises aside from some of the highlights. 

That said, I did listen to his 30 minute interview with Derek Thompson and one take away is his attitude of "let's try it.  If we fail, let's try something else", that is a welcome change from someone high profile in the party.  There's so much risk aversion amongst Democrats and that insecurity doesn't lend itself to campaigns in the 2020's, particularly with younger voters who've grown up in a world so connected that the notion of a private life is a quaint artifact.  

At least on the interview, his specific rent policy was a rent freeze on rent controlled apartments and appeared to be data driven.  

All fair and good points.

24 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This 2000’s retro craze is really taking off. Girls are wearing low rise jeans with crop tops and it’s socially acceptable to call Muslims terrorists in public again. 

not sure that last part has ever gone out of style with the less cerebrally inclined citizens of this fine country

This cat's got it. He's exceptional and I look forward to the old guard Dems being replaced by younger, vibrant, engaged fighters like Zohran.

 

3 hours ago, We’reTexas said:

Stabilization vs control is basically a distinction without a difference these days (in SF the increase is capped around 2% usually). In addition to everything you mentioned, it decreases the rental supply as landlords take vacant units off the market for condo conversion (or sell to corporate owners with the means to evict). And there is no means testing - I’ve know a few people with such great deals they bought houses in Sonoma or Tahoe and kept their city apartments. And yet in pure Tobias Funke “but maybe this time” fashion, it persists (although St Paul is already walking its disastrous experiment back after just two years). 

Since wealth inequality is showing zero signs of decreasing, we are going to turn to more and more policies like rent stabilizations. Poor people will continue to make up more and more of the voting public.

Wealthy people should recognize that they will eventually have one of two outcomes: either the govt will take some of your wealth via taxation, or the mob will take all of your wealth, maybe your life, when they show up on your doorstep with guns.

Of course there is a growing movement to only allow voting by those with a positive income tax payment. Surprisingly even some poor MAGA are supportive of losing their personal right to vote away. So odd.

6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I hadn't realized that he hasn't made any political donations since the '22 cycle due to disillusionment of MAGA.


JD Vance will do whatever he wants. Forever. 

12 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This 2000’s retro craze is really taking off. Girls are wearing low rise jeans with crop tops and it’s socially acceptable to call Muslims terrorists in public again. 

It feels good and the gayest generation is finally done being queers

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On 6/27/2025 at 11:48 AM, Gourmand said:

Kirsten Gillibrand is a fucking CUNT and should immediately resign for this insane slander and defamation of Mamdani. With Democratic party "friends" like these.....

https://nitter.space/barbarismcrit/status/1938309709842550831#m

Haven’t liked her since she led the effort to unseat Senator Franken over some bs.

Looks like everyone has their talking points against *checks notes* a fellow Democrat.

Idiots.

On 6/28/2025 at 12:09 AM, StassneyHorn said:

It feels good and the gayest generation is finally done being queers

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Next up: bringing the n-word back.

Haven’t liked her since she led the effort to unseat Senator Franken over some bs.

I’ve like some of the stuff she’s done, but the Franken thing was a mark against her. Now this.

Lot of revisionist history on the Franken removal. People threw him under so exceptionally quick you thought he called a n word the r word.

19 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Lot of revisionist history on the Franken removal. People threw him under so exceptionally quick you thought he called a n word the r word.

She led the parade. Don’t like here.

On 6/28/2025 at 1:09 AM, StassneyHorn said:

It feels good and the gayest generation is finally done being queers

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Zzzzzzz. Lame. In the manner of Marc Maron, y’all won. Are we there yet though? Are the jokes funnier now that you can say gay and retarded again? I’m still waiting for the coming hilarity. It’s going to be great now that we’re no longer held back by slurs. 

 

Im one of the longest reliable Dems on this board before most of you cheesedicks switched parties. The jokes are 100% funnier when saying retard and gay.

The Democratic party has no message for successful white men and that's why Republicans and Cubans will be able to pass the N-word bill next session. No Reparations, not Now and Never.

 

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is a nitter space?

I think it's one of those twitter portals

Editing: I wish everybody were well adjusted and able to laugh at each other, and not losing protections or rights over anything.  I'm being sensitive because people are suffering and I just don't want to add to their misery.   Thanks for being a Dem--we need all the folks we can get. 

 

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9 hours ago, Pancho said:

Wes Moore has a great interview with PSA on the “Protest Rain on [Fat Boy’s] Parade” dated 6/17.

 

It’s early but Moore and Newsom seem to be the frontrunners for 2028.

Don't know anything about him but on board with him hopefully using "Wes Is Moore".

6 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

Still waiting for your points to be be funny even in the least little bit.  But in the meantime, are there any other vulnerable groups that you'd like to disparage for laughs? I'll hang up and listen, but you may need to pump in canned laughter so we know the funny parts.    

I guess grab em by the pussy was a message you could follow?  Not once, but twice--especially after rape and 34 accounts of fraud.  The message for successful white men is there, just have to care.  Like that message should include don't elect criminals and rapists, but that's personal I guess.  Also, basically don't elect a dictator at this point, or successful white people lose jobs in research, health professions, education, and whatever professions involve the needs of others.  Also, we lose lots of care for our vulnerable, such as children and elderly, in addition to some of the bright, inventive minds that other cultures offer.  How about compassion for others?  There's a message there somewhere, but I'm sure until it happens to you or a loved one, that message will resonate. And if something were to happen, successful white men should rest well knowing that a clown will be responsible for assistance.  

It was always funny laughing at Natives. White women in college have overtaken that. Are you drunk by chance?

On 6/27/2025 at 1:38 PM, Gourmand said:

This cat's got it. He's exceptional and I look forward to the old guard Dems being replaced by younger, vibrant, engaged fighters like Zohran.

 

Yeah, this guy needs to do more interviews and dispel the myths and slanderous labels being thrown on him. That was 20 minutes of solid, clear, concise and excellent answers to real questions. My biggest concern with him is his lack of experience. His resume isn't exactly something I would expect from someone running for mayor of NYC:

"The son of academic Mahmood Mamdani and filmmaker Mira Nair, Mamdani was born in Uganda and briefly lived in South Africa. He immigrated to the United States with his family when he was seven years old and settled in New York City. After graduating from the Bronx High School of Science, Mamdani earned a bachelor's degree in Africana studies from Bowdoin College. He worked as a housing counselor and hip-hop musician before entering politics. He was first elected to the New York State Assembly in 2020, defeating four-term incumbent Aravella Simotas in a Democratic primary. Mamdani was reelected without opposition in 2022 and 2024."

While he appears to be a smart guy, with lots of upside, I'm surprised he didn't go for another position maybe lower on the NYC political ladder first. Good luck to him and I hope he wins, however, anyone would be better option than Adams.  

Edited by Dutchrudder

Reagan went from being a B grade actor to governor of California with less experience.  At least Mamdani has held a state rep position.

Ross Perot and Trump are others who ran for significant offices with little to no governing experience.

I'm interested in y'all's comments on this?  How widespread is this sentiment in your opinions?    How large a part of it is responsible for the disconnect between the working class and the party? 

Frankly at the heart of democracy is disagreement on many levels, but that works to move things along slowly towards a better society.  But I personally feel the scam of superdelegates to put Hillary in over Bernie was the point where people started shaping up this idea and reinforcing it with example after example.   

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6 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yeah, this guy needs to do more interviews and dispel the myths and slanderous labels being thrown on him. That was 20 minutes of solid, clear, concise and excellent answers to real questions. My biggest concern with him is his lack of experience. His resume isn't exactly something I would expect from someone running for mayor of NYC:

"The son of academic Mahmood Mamdani and filmmaker Mira Nair, Mamdani was born in Uganda and briefly lived in South Africa. He immigrated to the United States with his family when he was seven years old and settled in New York City. After graduating from the Bronx High School of Science, Mamdani earned a bachelor's degree in Africana studies from Bowdoin College. He worked as a housing counselor and hip-hop musician before entering politics. He was first elected to the New York State Assembly in 2020, defeating four-term incumbent Aravella Simotas in a Democratic primary. Mamdani was reelected without opposition in 2022 and 2024."

While he appears to be a smart guy, with lots of upside, I'm surprised he didn't go for another position maybe lower on the NYC political ladder first. Good luck to him and I hope he wins, however, anyone would be better option than Adams.  

Democratic party is the only party that gives a shit about experience. 

 

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5 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

I'm interested in y'all's comments on this?  How widespread is this sentiment in your opinions?    How large a part of it is responsible for the disconnect between the working class and the party? 

Frankly at the heart of democracy is disagreement on many levels, but that works to move things along slowly towards a better society.  But I personally feel the scam of superdelegates to put Hillary in over Bernie was the point where people started shaping up this idea and reinforcing it with example after example.   

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I think it reflects the genuine opinion of many progressives, especially younger ones. If asked during the 1990s, a younger me could have been the author, but I mellowed somewhat after having a kid, and then Obama came along, which made me think the party was beginning to head in a more progressive direction.

But, you know what, that younger me wasn’t entirely wrong, and much of that statement does ring true about the party’s leadership. In some ways, Democrats are the conservative party, just trying to protect the status quo, which has definitely given them the stench of stale losers for a lot of voters.

The Democratic Party is THE reason why I don't consider myself a Democrat.

But I have to vote for them because Republicans.

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