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2 hours ago, slorch said:

Dominion was used in states like Florida where Trump won by a bigger margin than pre-election day polls indicated. I'm not a "polls are gospel" guy, myself; but they can be indicators.  Hell, in 2 decades, Florida has practically become the poster child for how to run an election.  Yet and still, they used the machines in question.

The picking and choosing of where to challenge the results is rather convenient...

 

Call me crazy but I doubt Hugo Chavez ever invented anything.

 

 

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Did they have a spoon up their nose, too? 

12 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The disciplinary arms of most state bars are going to be state actors and will not be able to abridge their speech

not a lawyer

Schenck

/not a lawyer

24 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

To be fair, the rules were that they had to drink every time somebody said "Oo yah..."

3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

The affidavits are mostly nonsense and don't actually describe anything close to fraud. 

it's all just a big Chewbacca Attack to stall _one_more_day.

dotard only cares about winning today.

it's all just a big Chewbacca Attack to stall _one_more_day.
dotard only cares about winning today.

I’m getting that impression as well, just keep enough shit in question until electors vote day and then blame it on the short time window on why they weren’t able to build the evidence.

everyone needs to spread the Chewbacca Attack meme far and wide because it's a bunker-buster for magatt brains.

started using it 2 days ago and i'm 5-1 so far with trumpkins.  they can't counter.

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

everyone needs to spread the Chewbacca Attack meme far and wide because it's a bunker-buster for magatt brains.

started using it 2 days ago and i'm 5-1 so far with trumpkins.  they can't counter.

That’s because they don’t understand it, and haven’t received a meme countering it to parrot. 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

You should look into Adam Reposa.

 

He used to hang out in the bar where I worked when we were both on college and we’ve got some friends in common. He’s fun to be around in spots.. 

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s because they don’t understand it, and haven’t received a meme countering it to parrot. 

all of them knew of the Chewbacca Defense.  talk track goes like this:

"Do you remember the southpark episode with the Chewbacca Defense"

"yes / of course / ha ha"

"Trump's strategy is a Chewbacca Attack"

.... brainlock.  no counter.

47 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

hmm . . . 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He used to hang out in the bar where I worked when we were both on college and we’ve got some friends in common. He’s fun to be around in spots.. 

I prefer my lawyers to not look like lawyers, because it helps them sneak up on...judges, juries, and other lawyers I guess. 

12 minutes ago, bluto said:


I’m getting that impression as well, just keep enough shit in question until electors vote day and then blame it on the short time window on why they weren’t able to build the evidence.

Yeah, he'll play the victim card.  A lot of people identify with that.

9 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

everyone needs to spread the Chewbacca Attack meme far and wide because it's a bunker-buster for magatt brains.

started using it 2 days ago and i'm 5-1 so far with trumpkins.  they can't counter.

Never heard of it until this thread.

Assuming that's not chopped, that's some high-level psy ops there.

New Filing

 

Edited by Neonmoon

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

New Filing

 

As if that's a big deal-- look at how many other words they spelled right.

8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Assuming that's not chopped, that's some high-level psy ops there.

There's a group that has been projecting stuff on the hotel since early in his administration, so I'm thinking it's legit.

What is the actual role of the watchers?  Are they trained to know what is allowed and what is not?  Are they supposed to be able to examine each ballot?  Or just watch to make sure an extra tote doesn’t show up, or that all the totes get counted, those kinds of errors or fraud?

23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Assuming that's not chopped, that's some high-level psy ops there.

the boys laugh at this shitass display of fear and loathing.

31 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

New Filing

 

Why the fuck aren't these lawyers facing sanctions and repurcussions for these bad faith filings? They're literally wasting the court's time with their specious (and counterfactual) filings. 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Assuming that's not chopped, that's some high-level psy ops there.

I don't know what all of this means, but he has a picture of that on his Twitter home page:

 

https://twitter.com/LeeChatfield

Trolling? IDK, but fuck him and his partners in crime.

5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

There are things I can say as a private citizen that I can't as an agent of the state, which I would be on a voluntary basis. If I'm a police officer I would be subject to discipline or termination for posting on my Facebook feed that women and minorities are inferior. 

Most public agents are expected to hold themselves to a higher standard but attorneys are not according to your theory. Attorneys want to be public agents when it suits them and private actors when it doesn't. Pick one. 

Attorneys arent agents of the state. But Bar employees are. The First Amendment limits government action. Here, the Bar is limited by the First Amendment because it is an arm of the government. 

Anyway, I'm all for these ass hats being disbarred. I'm also for all officials losing their job for violating the oath of the office. That doesn't change the legal reality that actions taken by a state's bar are limited by the First Amendment. Whether that precludes action against attorneys like Giuliani isn't entirely clear to me.

If anyone cares, the Marks v. Stinson case is here.

In that case, Stinson beat Marks 20,523 to 20,062 for the Pennsylvania Senate, and 1,767 absentee ballots were cast, 1,396 for Stinson.

The evidence showed that Stinson's campaign systematically harvested approximately 1000 absentee ballot applications and illegally assisted unqualified absentee voters (not disabled or out of county, or not even registered to vote) in casting their absentee votes from the suspect ballots.

The trial judge threw out the entire absentee voting, and enjoined Stinson from taking office.  The Third Circuit affirmed, and when it went back down, the trial judge actually installed Marks in the Pennsylvania Senate, pending further proceedings.  I cant figure out what happened subsequently.

So, obviously, this is Trumpco's jizz-soaked dream.  The big distinction being that they can't generate this kind of evidence of fraud (~1000/1767 fraudulent votes).  Also, as this was a state election, there was no electoral college and associated deadlines.

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Rudy Giuliani: “Ah, here it is — Haley v. United States. Haley: 7, United States: nothing. You see, it can be done!”

1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

Jesus these assholes.
 

Release the Gritty.

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5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm with you on that.

Pretty sure I saw a study where the respect for the legal community took a drop when they allowed lawyers to advertise. Makes sense, I absolutely hate it.

32 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Jesus these assholes.
 

Christ.

That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.  Their lege proposed and approved such an amendment, but it has to go through two terms of congress and a popular vote, which it has not.

Little bit late, though.

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29 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Jesus these assholes.
 

That congressman should be impeached. Can you impeach a congressman? I mean fuck. That is seditious shit. 

Christ.
That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.
Little bit late, though.

Some color on it...

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Christ.

That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.

Little bit late, though.

This year, covid concerns is the medical excuse whether explicitly stated or not.  Don’t know if that can be successfully argued in court though. 

4 minutes ago, bluto said:


Some color on it...

 

 

 

 

So a change that almost every republican in PA voted for, they now say is unconstitutional. 

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Christ.

That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.  Their lege proposed and approved such an amendment, but it has to go through two terms of congress and a popular vote, which it has not.

Little bit late, though.

 

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

This year, covid concerns is the medical excuse whether explicitly stated or not.  Don’t know if that can be successfully argued in court though. 

If PA, or any state, ran an illegal election, this should have been brought to a court prior to the election. Every citizen acted in good faith that their vote would count so I can't see a court effectively eliminating an entire state's vote in the electoral college by tossing out the entire state's result. Not to mention that if PA was eliminated from the electoral college, Biden is still sitting at 55% of the EC votes.  It doesn't matter.

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

 

If PA, or any state, ran an illegal election, this should have been brought to a court prior to the election. Every citizen acted in good faith that their vote would count so I can't see a court effectively eliminating an entire state's vote in the electoral college by tossing out the entire state's result. Not to mention that if PA was eliminated from the electoral college, Biden is still sitting at 55% of the EC votes.  It doesn't matter.

I’m sure the requested remedy is throw out mail votes, declare trump the winner based on remaining votes, certify that, and award him PAs ECV. 

I think there certainly will be career consequences in terms of their being untouchable except by Trumpkins in the future.
Don't get me wrong here. I would like it very much if there were disciplinary consequences for this stuff.  But the First Amendment means we have to endure some shitty stuff.  I don't know if that is ultimately right or wrong, but I do know it would play a big role in most attempts to discipline Giuliani, Powell, and Ellis.  It is what it is.
I have perused Powell's lawdog site (she has an "infowars" site as well) and she was evidently quite good, or got a lot of work, as an appellate lawyer until about 2009.  I had certainly never heard of her, that I can recall, but her pre-Trumpkin resume is solid.  Quite solid.
It would be interesting to know if something happened in the last 10 years or so, like a nervous breakdown or something.

Sydney started the Fifth Circuit Bar Association (or at least ran it for over a decade). She was pretty highly regarded in appellate circles for a long time. (I have done a lot of appellate work over the years).

I met her at a CLE conference 20 years ago. At the time she seemed very sharp.

The last couple of years have been a head scratcher.
45 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Christ.

That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.  Their lege proposed and approved such an amendment, but it has to go through two terms of congress and a popular vote, which it has not.

Little bit late, though.

Yeah, filling suit after the election seems a bit tardy.  Laches anyone? 

Yeah, filling suit after the election seems a bit tardy.  Laches anyone? 

Thought Oregon bought him off?
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Christ.

That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.  Their lege proposed and approved such an amendment, but it has to go through two terms of congress and a popular vote, which it has not.

Little bit late, though.

It’s not scary at all because it’s way too late. If these assholes had a problem with the new law the courthouse was open a year ago too.

Its just more republican Nazi bullshit.

11 minutes ago, bluto said:


Thought Oregon bought him off?

Not true.  We heard it directly from Aunt Jen.

Christ.
That one looks kind of scary.  It contends that PA's election law amendments in 2019 and 2020 that created no-excuse mail/absentee voting conflict with their constitution.  Facially, it seems quite plausible.  Their lege proposed and approved such an amendment, but it has to go through two terms of congress and a popular vote, which it has not.
Little bit late, though.

that...and laches.
1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m sure the requested remedy is throw out mail votes, declare trump the winner based on remaining votes, certify that, and award him PAs ECV. 

I hear ya but it doesn’t change the fact that voters voted in a method they were told was valid. SCOTUS majority already confirmed they’re not going to toss out votes in this scenario. I suppose they could change their mind but seems doubtful when the stakes are that much higher.

These lawsuits appear to only delay the inevitable in some hope to give time to some court somewhere to flip an election. Sad.

Elias doing a Q and A on twitter right now

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

That congressman should be impeached. Can you impeach a congressman? I mean fuck. That is seditious shit. 

Wait until he still takes his seat in January despite the illegal election he won. 

I acknowledge laches in my post, without using the word.

I don't know how exactly laches applies to sort of the ultimate question of law.  I suppose it would foreclose the remedy, even if Act 77 is found unconstitutional.  

Something's fucky though.  I would like to see the state's answer or moving papers.

co-laches are not tasty...

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