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#4951
On 10/31/2023 at 2:59 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Better hope so, there are a shitload of Republicans in Texas who want to arrest any woman, regardless of age, who leaves the state for an abortion.

i'll repeat my offer... if any surly member or their loved one needs help exercising female body autonomy, i've got a guest suite available on the burgeoning underground railroad here in CO, just DM me.

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  • Bama Chick
    Bama Chick

    No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

  • Brisketexan
    Brisketexan

    I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

  • hayden_horn
    hayden_horn

    of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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#4952

Hell Yes !!!!

BREAKING: OH Ballot Initiative Protecting Abortion Rights Passes. Story …https://t.co/6AqNAa3v6P


 

#4954

just watching John Oliver from Sunday...focus on abortion issue vis-a-vis tonight's elections...

Texas features big time, horror story after horror story. so incredibly fucked up. 😪 

#4955

But I was told this was a matter of state's rights, and the federal government had no business getting involved.  Or something like that.

It does get confusing at times.

 

J.D. Vance, the Ohio GOP senator, says Republicans need to shift their approach on abortion and begin to embrace federal legislation -- namely a 15-week ban with exceptions. "We can't give into the idea that the federal Congress has no role in this matter," he told us

 

 

 

 

 

 

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#4956

"the federal Congress"  ??? 

Is that like a new article I didn't know about?  or?.........................................

#4957
9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

But I was told this was a matter of state's rights, and the federal government had no business getting involved.  Or something like that.

It does get confusing at times.

 

J.D. Vance, the Ohio GOP senator, says Republicans need to shift their approach on abortion and begin to embrace federal legislation -- namely a 15-week ban with exceptions. "We can't give into the idea that the federal Congress has no role in this matter," he told us

 

 

 

 

 

 

Republicans went from “abortion is murder” to “maybe 15 weeks is the right number” in 24 hours.

 

#4958
14 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

But I was told this was a matter of state's rights, and the federal government had no business getting involved.  Or something like that.

It does get confusing at times.

 

J.D. Vance, the Ohio GOP senator, says Republicans need to shift their approach on abortion and begin to embrace federal legislation -- namely a 15-week ban with exceptions. "We can't give into the idea that the federal Congress has no role in this matter," he told us

 

 

 

 

 

 

When you realize that the GQP actually has zero principles other than "power and control," it all checks out.

#4959
16 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

But I was told this was a matter of state's rights, and the federal government had no business getting involved.  Or something like that.

 

Not when the states don't do it right, duh. 

#4960
17 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

But I was told this was a matter of state's rights, and the federal government had no business getting involved.  Or something like that.

It does get confusing at times.

 

J.D. Vance, the Ohio GOP senator, says Republicans need to shift their approach on abortion and begin to embrace federal legislation -- namely a 15-week ban with exceptions. "We can't give into the idea that the federal Congress has no role in this matter," he told us

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh well that was different. 

#4961

 

27 of 67 Ohio House Republicans sign onto a statement against Issue 1, approved by 56.62% of voters. “We will do everything in our power to prevent our laws from being removed based upon perception of intent. We were elected to protect the most vulnerable in our state”

 

 

 

And Senate President Matt Huffman - who’s running for the House next year and is expected to challenge Stephens for speaker if they both win - also said: "This isn't the end. It is really just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1."

 

 

 

#4962

Great - The Rs can keep this on the ballot motivating D voters to show up. These guys are absolute morons.

#4963
NEW: In a new press release, Ohio Republicans say they will not accept the results of Tuesday's elections and will continue to enforce their abortion bans in the state in defiance of the state's constitution and the will of the people. https://t.co/vjxZpJcVkr
It's written in plain language. Please take a mintue to read it: "To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative." This isn't normal.https://t.co/Ei4OoRWsUJ

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Get the Swifties and the Dems out to the polls in record numbers next year.

#4964

When Kimberly Manzano’s doctor first noticed some irregularities with her pregnancy, she turned to God, praying constantly for good news. When the diagnosis worsened, she and her husband sought comfort in the Bible’s Book of Hebrews — the book of hope.

And when her doctor finally determined her baby could not survive outside the womb, she asked her pastor for advice.

“He said, ‘if you believe your doctor to be a godly man, take what the doctor says as clarity from God in your decision,’” she recalls.


https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/14/texas-abortion-laws-lawsuit/

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#4965
A forensic pathologist testified that the autopsy found no injury to the fetus -- the unborn fetus had died BEFORE passing through the birth canal -- and that the woman had visited the hospital 2X before the delivery.

 

This seems like another cruel tactic to establish personhood of a fetus?

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#4966
5 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

The goal of the unscientific anti-abortion laws is not to save "a life" ... but to inflict upon women as much pain, anguish, humiliation, and anti-medical barbarism as possible. All backed by their Bible BS. 

Always has been with Christians and other theocrats. For thousands of years. Always will be. 

Broad brush much?

#4967

This is the first time since before Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973 that an adult woman has asked a court to intervene to allow her to terminate a pregnancy, and the first lawsuit of its kind since Texas banned almost all abortions in 2022.

Kate Cox, a 31-year-old Dallas woman, learned last week that her fetus was diagnosed with full trisomy 18, a chromosomal anomaly that is almost always fatal before or soon after birth. The fetus is developing with an umbilical hernia, a twisted spine, a club foot and an irregular skull and heart, according to the lawsuit.



https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/05/texas-abortion-lawsuit/

#4968
2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

This is the first time since before Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973 that an adult woman has asked a court to intervene to allow her to terminate a pregnancy, and the first lawsuit of its kind since Texas banned almost all abortions in 2022.

Kate Cox, a 31-year-old Dallas woman, learned last week that her fetus was diagnosed with full trisomy 18, a chromosomal anomaly that is almost always fatal before or soon after birth. The fetus is developing with an umbilical hernia, a twisted spine, a club foot and an irregular skull and heart, according to the lawsuit.



https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/05/texas-abortion-lawsuit/

So we're renaming it "Dan Patrick Syndrome" for reasons, right?  I don't give a fuck about coming across as insensitive anymore.  They're hunting frightened women.  Because it makes them feel strong.  

#4969
3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Broad brush much?

maybe but he's correct, stems from original sin

#4970

@Brisketexan Judge Maya doing stuff again.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/hearing-thursday-for-woman-suing-texas-over-abortion-ban/

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A Travis County judge granted an emergency request to allow a Texas woman to seek an abortion. Judge Maya Guerra Gamble announced the decision after a hearing Thursday morning. 

Kate Cox, a 31-year-old mother of two young children in Dallas, filed suit against the state last week. Cox is pregnant, and said a screening revealed her baby has full trisomy 18 — a fatal chromosomal condition causing deformities and growth delays in fetal development. Babies with trisomy 18 are often stillborn or survive for only minutes or days, and their mothers are often at risk of losing the chance to have another child, the petition states.

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Lawyers representing the State of Texas argued against granting a temporary restraining order, or TRO. Attorney Johnathan Stone said allowing Cox to get an abortion amounted to a permanent decision. “The abortion once performed is permanent. It can’t be undone,” Stone told the judge.

Texas Right to Life accuses the suit of “seek[ing] to conflate two separate issues: the risk to the mother and the child’s disability.” They argue a baby with trisomy 18 should be born and live until natural death.

 

#4971

Paxton couldn’t wait and he clearly wants an all out war of sorts over abortion, brilliant to do this going into an election year.  If Soros was paying somebody to do this to get Democrats and women out to vote, it’ would be money well spent.

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#4972

It is still wild to me how these fucksticks don't see the writing on the wall.  Of course, if they plan to cheat and/or suppress, I guess it doesn't really matter to them.

#4973
12 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Paxton couldn’t wait and he clearly wants an all out war of sorts over abortion, brilliant to do this going into an election year.  If Soros was paying somebody to do this to get Democrats and women out to vote, it’ would be money well spent.

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Any woman who votes Republican in Texas is as fucking stupid as a black member of the Klan.

#4974
37 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Paxton couldn’t wait and he clearly wants an all out war of sorts over abortion, brilliant to do this going into an election year.  If Soros was paying somebody to do this to get Democrats and women out to vote, it’ would be money well spent.

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#4977

If we were a decent people there’d be an angry mob dragging Paxton out of his house right now and giving him the ol’ Gaddafi.

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#4978
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

If we were a decent people there’d be an angry mob dragging Paxton out of his house right now and giving him the ol’ Gaddafi.

that would be a far better fate than he deserves.

#4979

Per paxton, the judge and doctor don’t have the medical expertise to make a decision here, but he does ?

#4980
2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Per paxton, the judge and doctor don’t have the medical expertise to make a decision here, but he does ?

Yep, because he's Kenny Wayne Paxton.  And there's rumors that he's pumping a lot of resources into monitoring hospitals/etc. to prevent this, and I'm not going to be surprised if he has somebody following her around to make sure she doesn't get an abortion.  He's doubling-down on this.  He'll probably go after the judge as well.

#4981
18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yep, because he's Kenny Wayne Paxton.  And there's rumors that he's pumping a lot of resources into monitoring hospitals/etc. to prevent this, and I'm not going to be surprised if he has somebody following her around to make sure she doesn't get an abortion.  He's doubling-down on this.  He'll probably go after the judge as well.


state police monitoring citizens !!

 

Only a matter of time before all women must send menstruation data to the state  

#4982
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

If we were a decent people there’d be an angry mob dragging Paxton out of his house right now and giving him the ol’ Gaddafi.

You know, I can hardly believe that this just wouldn’t cause outrage amongst all good people, but no one will notice and we inch a step closer to theocracy or something just as bad. I guess it’s true that the revolution won’t be televised. 
 

#4984
12 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

You know, I can hardly believe that this just wouldn’t cause outrage amongst all good people, but no one will notice and we inch a step closer to theocracy or something just as bad. I guess it’s true that the revolution won’t be televised. 
 


ill guess 55% of this board fully supports paxton

 

#4985
10 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


ill guess 55% of this board fully supports paxton

 

Lol 55??? Dude fucked up all contenders while being under multiple indictments. Sorry your neighbors are pieces of shit 

#4986
4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

From the story.  No, we don't all seem to recognize that:

“Ms. Cox’s story is heartbreaking because all of us recognize that she and her child are equally valuable and loved by God,” Texas Right to Life Communications Director Kimberly Schwartz said. “If you feel compassion for this situation like us, it is because we all know that there are two lives at stake and that both are supremely important. The answer is not to end the child’s life because of the baby’s disability, but state law does anticipate the serious risk to the mother.”

#4987
4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Paxton couldn’t wait and he clearly wants an all out war of sorts over abortion, brilliant to do this going into an election year.  If Soros was paying somebody to do this to get Democrats and women out to vote, it’ would be money well spent.

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Isn't this essentially an ex parte communication to parties who may be bound by the TRO, and an attempt to threaten consequences for conduct that is consistent with the ruling? And the idea that this society would tolerate any kind of state surveillance on a non-criminal citizen with intent to prevent (not investigate but PREVENT) a potential "crime".... well this is way fucking beyond abuse of power --  bravo Kenny. There are no fucking limits for this evil shit. We are way beyond what even Ireland was doing a while back before they came to their fucking senses there. But we continue to be frogs in the boiling pot where it's already on fire, just taking it up the ass in this state. I hope one of the parties sues his ass and makes this a case everyone hears about.

#4988
20 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

 And the idea that this society would tolerate any kind of state surveillance on a non-criminal citizen with intent to prevent (not investigate but PREVENT) a potential "crime".... well this is way fucking beyond abuse of power --  bravo Kenny. There are no fucking limits for this evil shit. 

Members of our legislature, and various West Texas towns, would love to arrest people who leave the state to have an abortion or even stop them from leaving the state, regardless of the legality elsewhere.  They were openly talking about how they could bust people who leave the state for an abortion.

There's no way to do that without getting access to medical records, receipts for those who buy pregnancy tests (lock up the tests, make women swipe their ID to buy a test, then the state could "follow up" with those women?) as well as combining all of that into a database that anybody leaving the state is checked against.

The Republicans have, for years, claimed the Dems were going to go all Orwell/Minority Report on everybody, yet here we are, and its the Republicans openly championing this big government involved in everybody's lives approach.

#4989

I feel like there should be much more civil unrest. Instead, people and corporations (sorry, redundant) have just become completely apathetic. We even get the college nat'l championship game in Houston despite all the fuckery here. Yay?

#4990
1 hour ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

an ex parte communication to parties

ex parte is a communication to the court without the other parties being copied. 

#4991
3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:


state police monitoring citizens !!

Only a matter of time before all women must send menstruation data to the state  

This would be a good opportunity to make a commercial about the impending trampling of privacy rights - sort of a real-life version of that commercial where the mom and daughter get stopped trying to travel out of state.  Just load up a close friend's car with cameras, drive over to her house in the middle of the night , set up a dummy laying down in the passenger seat and drive toward the New Mexico border, and document the behavior of DPS / cops in Texas border towns / whatever new brown shirt organization Abbott and Paxton set up to police this shit.  Perhaps people would realize it isn't just breathless overreaction after all ...  

#4992
7 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

From the story.  No, we don't all seem to recognize that:

“Ms. Cox’s story is heartbreaking because all of us recognize that she and her child are equally valuable and loved by God,” Texas Right to Life Communications Director Kimberly Schwartz said. “If you feel compassion for this situation like us, it is because we all know that there are two lives at stake and that both are supremely important. The answer is not to end the child’s life because of the baby’s disability, but state law does anticipate the serious risk to the mother.”

What exactly do these Jesus freaks think happens to the soul of an aborted fetus? What’s the scriptural basis for what they believe? Or in the case of the Catholics, what is the church’s doctrine? Shouldn’t they believe the poor, innocent little soul is going straight to Heaven? Do the Catholics have some alternate plane for the souls of those who never reached the age of reason?

Ten bucks says Kimberly Schwartz enthusiastically supports capital punishment.

#4993

It's a weird loophole.  If you're not baptized, you don't go to heaven.  My wife's family was in a big rush to get our girls baptized because if something should happen to them in the early weeks/months of life, they wouldn't go to heaven for some reason.  So I once inquired, not with them  but some other learned Catholics, if a baby should be stillborn, or died in utero in late term, or get malaria at 6 weeks old or whatever.  When there's clearly life that can survive?  And of course there's no clear answer, no scripture, just a "Well, God grants them a special pass to heaven in that case."  But apparently being alive outside the belly for a few months, but not baptized, and then the baby dies, they're fucked and don't go to heaven.  But your parish mileage may vary.  

Catholics are actually the last annoying political element in all of this abortion debate.  Their thinking is hypocritical but at least they've held on to it for a long while.  The Evangelical and Baptist movements in Texas' newest and loudest jam is, "Fetal heartbeat is detectable after just a few weeks!  So that means life and you cannot abort!  You shouldn't even have contraception!"  Because yeah, I totally forgot that bible verse that talks about sonograms detecting fetal heartbeats in week 3 in Jerusalem.  That thing Luke and Matthew couldn't stop talking about while fishing.

If all life counts no matter what, from the moment of conception.  Fine, we may disagree on nuance but if you're supportive of it all without exception...I get your conviction.  But if a Catholic teaching hospital's experts all agree, "Yeah, this baby ain't gonna make it and the mom's probably dead too..."  Maybe sit the next couple of plays out, eh?  

#4994
11 hours ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

I feel like there should be much more civil unrest. Instead, people and corporations (sorry, redundant) have just become completely apathetic. We even get the college nat'l championship game in Houston despite all the fuckery here. Yay?

Texans don't give a shit.  As long as they can complain about Biden's gas prices and Mexicans, they don't give a fuck about giving up rights.

 

 

#4995

...and jack off with their murder dildos, don't forget that. our resident fetishist literally just bragged about that in another thread 😐

 

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#4996
15 hours ago, Gap03 said:

This would be a good opportunity to make a commercial about the impending trampling of privacy rights - sort of a real-life version of that commercial where the mom and daughter get stopped trying to travel out of state.  Just load up a close friend's car with cameras, drive over to her house in the middle of the night , set up a dummy laying down in the passenger seat and drive toward the New Mexico border, and document the behavior of DPS / cops in Texas border towns / whatever new brown shirt organization Abbott and Paxton set up to police this shit.  Perhaps people would realize it isn't just breathless overreaction after all ...  

 

there is no right to privacy when a fetus is involved !

#4998
On 12/7/2023 at 9:52 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

From the story.  No, we don't all seem to recognize that:

“Ms. Cox’s story is heartbreaking because all of us recognize that she and her child are equally valuable and loved by God,” Texas Right to Life Communications Director Kimberly Schwartz said. “If you feel compassion for this situation like us, it is because we all know that there are two lives at stake and that both are supremely important. The answer is not to end the child’s life because of the baby’s disability, but state law does anticipate the serious risk to the mother.”

“And once that child is born into a terrible life where it will be a physical, financial, and emotional burden, Mrs Cox can get fucked if she expects any help from the state” -Kimberly Schwartz…Probably

#5000
On 12/8/2023 at 6:13 AM, YGIFS said:

It's a weird loophole.  If you're not baptized, you don't go to heaven.  My wife's family was in a big rush to get our girls baptized because if something should happen to them in the early weeks/months of life, they wouldn't go to heaven for some reason.  So I once inquired, not with them  but some other learned Catholics, if a baby should be stillborn, or died in utero in late term, or get malaria at 6 weeks old or whatever.  When there's clearly life that can survive?  And of course there's no clear answer, no scripture, just a "Well, God grants them a special pass to heaven in that case."  But apparently being alive outside the belly for a few months, but not baptized, and then the baby dies, they're fucked and don't go to heaven.  But your parish mileage may vary.  

Catholics are actually the last annoying political element in all of this abortion debate.  Their thinking is hypocritical but at least they've held on to it for a long while.  The Evangelical and Baptist movements in Texas' newest and loudest jam is, "Fetal heartbeat is detectable after just a few weeks!  So that means life and you cannot abort!  You shouldn't even have contraception!"  Because yeah, I totally forgot that bible verse that talks about sonograms detecting fetal heartbeats in week 3 in Jerusalem.  That thing Luke and Matthew couldn't stop talking about while fishing.

If all life counts no matter what, from the moment of conception.  Fine, we may disagree on nuance but if you're supportive of it all without exception...I get your conviction.  But if a Catholic teaching hospital's experts all agree, "Yeah, this baby ain't gonna make it and the mom's probably dead too..."  Maybe sit the next couple of plays out, eh?  

 

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