April 17, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Admittedly I've been staying on the sideline because I couldn't imagine the S&P500 not falling to 2000. Hell, it still might (unlikely). I've generally been operating under the assumption that, historically speaking, that first bounce back after a rapid decline is usually false, even if it lasts for a few weeks. And a prolonged gradual drop is likely coming. But precedence doesn't seem to make a shit lately, so who knows.
April 17, 20205 yr 23 hours ago, TwiceHorn said: The DJIA is not some general economic measure. If it were up from relative highs, that would be one thing, but it's up from historic relative lows that resulted from panic selling that "priced in" something worse than maybe reality. The DJIA is composed of the largest corporations, who are probably not the source of unemployment, and if they are, theyre just trimming labor costs. This is one of the more rational "price moves" the market makes.
April 17, 20205 yr It's all a confidence game. Can the fed prop up the market long enough that people sitting out get tired of earning 0.1% interest and their fear of missing out on the run up outweighs their fear of the covid?
April 17, 20205 yr 34 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: I’m up 5% since Jan 31. That’s ridiculous. Oil below $18. Jeez. One of my funds, albeit not a majority of my investments, is up almost 20% year to date. Check out Alkeon. That guy has nailed it this year. He had a large short position before the melt down--I was up around 5% YTD in that fund when the Dow was around 19,000, and then he has been trending long since pretty much around the bottom.
April 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, ZB'Tejas said: $SOXS only goes down... don't bet against this market. Don't jinx this shit, magne.
April 17, 20205 yr My main funds are still all cash. My SOXS play has backfired like Wile E Coyote buying ACME products but that is a few thousand bet. I still don’t see this market as being done dropping.
April 17, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Hefeweizen said: I still don’t see this market as being done dropping. I am far from a Bear but there isn't a chance in hell that the market can stay flat with what's going to be coming down the line.
April 17, 20205 yr The energy stocks jumping like they are today is the most backwards thing I have seen in the market. Devon Energy jumped almost 12% today, for example. Insanity.
April 17, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, GRHorn said: If you were looking to get short and haven’t yet, today might be the day. Rally today seems crazy... May have to change name of this thread... LOL DJIA up 704pts SP500 up 75pts NASDAQ up 117pts Edited April 17, 20205 yr by LTtxfan
April 17, 20205 yr bwaha. I started investing in the beginning of Feb, with about 30% of my money going in February pre-apocalypse, and I'm already back in the black overall. What a dumb market.
April 17, 20205 yr I don't think anyone expected the market to be back to the point where it's looking to end of the trading day, but on the other hand, it's a little funny to look back a few weeks ago and people were talking about how S&P would be below 1,000 and DOW might re-test the March 2009 low of ~6,800.
April 17, 20205 yr Can I just called this the guilded market? Cause it's only a veneer of good stuff, but underneath is nothing.
April 17, 20205 yr 48 minutes ago, Eastwood said: The energy stocks jumping like they are today is the most backwards thing I have seen in the market. Devon Energy jumped almost 12% today, for example. Insanity. XOM popped more than GILD and its "cure for the 'Rona" news. That should tell you something.
April 17, 20205 yr Crisis update: S&P 500 market cap increasing roughly $2 per each dollar the Fed adds to the balance sheet. "Privatize the gains, Socialize the losses"
April 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Storm the Field said: I don't think anyone expected the market to be back to the point where it's looking to end of the trading day, but on the other hand, it's a little funny to look back a few weeks ago and people were talking about how S&P would be below 1,000 and DOW might re-test the March 2009 low of ~6,800. I don't know that we'll test the March 2009 lows, but I think we're going to blow past the March 2019 lows at some point. Probably in the minority on that though.
April 18, 20205 yr At some point earnings are going to be shit. I have a feeling the market has been riding on the expectation of continued good news. In a way I hope I’m wrong and we see the stonk surge continue because it definitely contributes to a wealth effect in consumer confidence but I feel like there is still a big fall to come soon.
April 18, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Trey3216 said: So Ford raises $8bn in a debt issuance. Good Lord They must have a great FICO score. Probably a Dave Ramsey follower
April 18, 20205 yr S&P down 1% YOY for this date. Crazy. I am long but not feeling super comfortable about it. The numbers will be horrific. But fighting the Fed has never been a winner either. I could see us bouncing around in a wide range the rest of the year. 2400-2800 something like that. Good opportunities if you are a trader and can stomach that.
April 18, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, BurntEyes said: The rubber will hit the road when forecast earning meet actuals. Currently, many companies are not dramatically lowering their forecasts. I surmise they are doing this so they aren't separated from the heard as a weak link and hope to blend in when the entire heard shows up sick to minimize as best as possible the hit. I herd ya
April 18, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said: Fixed, stoopid autocorrect, modifying incorrectly. Also, I'm an idoit. About that...lol Edited April 18, 20205 yr by Trey3216
April 18, 20205 yr 18 hours ago, LTtxfan said: Rally today seems crazy... May have to change name of this thread... LOL DJIA up 704pts SP500 up 75pts NASDAQ up 117pts
April 18, 20205 yr 47 minutes ago, GRHorn said: What am I looking for in that twitter thread? Mnuchin is the new Bogandoff?
April 18, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, Rusty Shackelford said: What am I looking for in that twitter thread? Mnuchin is the new Bogandoff? Yes. He’s the stonk market version
April 19, 20205 yr Yeah. I went aggressive as shit and recaptured all my losses. But I don't think it's worth it right now. It's about to get murdered. I'm dumping straight to cash come Monday morning.
April 19, 20205 yr This week's earnings: https://finance.yahoo.com/calendar/earnings?from=2020-04-19&to=2020-04-25&day=2020-04-20 Monday UAL amc IBM amc HAL bmo Tuesday JBLU bmo CB amc KO bmo LMT bmo TRV bmo CMG amc NFLX amc MAN bmo PM bmo TXN amc Wednesday AA amc DAL bmo T bmo LVS amc KMB bmo Thursday LUV bmo LLY bmo HSY bmo INTC amc UNP bmo DPZ bmo Friday AAL bmo AXP bmo VZ bmo
April 19, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, FartingMonk said: Yeah. I went aggressive as shit and recaptured all my losses. But I don't think it's worth it right now. It's about to get murdered. I'm dumping straight to cash come Monday morning. What, you don't believe in fiat going into the market?
April 19, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said: This week's earnings: https://finance.yahoo.com/calendar/earnings?from=2020-04-19&to=2020-04-25&day=2020-04-20 Monday UAL amc IBM amc HAL bmo Tuesday JBLU bmo CB amc KO bmo LMT bmo TRV bmo CMG amc NFLX amc MAN bmo PM bmo TXN amc Wednesday AA amc DAL bmo T bmo LVS amc KMB bmo Thursday LUV bmo LLY bmo HSY bmo INTC amc UNP bmo DPZ bmo Friday AAL bmo AXP bmo VZ bmo Isn’t AMZN Thursday also?
April 19, 20205 yr Yeah. I went aggressive as shit and recaptured all my losses. But I don't think it's worth it right now. It's about to get murdered. I'm dumping straight to cash come Monday morning. Short sellers have revived their wagers against the stock market in recent weeks, taking their most aggressive positions in years.Bets against the SPDR S&P 500 Trust, the biggest exchange-traded fund tracking the broad index, rose to $68.1 billion last week, the highest level in data going back to January 2016, according to financial analytics company S3 Partners. That was up from $41.7 billion at the beginning of 2020 and $41.2 billion a year ago.
April 19, 20205 yr Amazon.com, Inc. is estimated to report earnings on 04/23/2020. The upcoming earnings date is derived from an algorithm based on a company's historical reporting dates. Our vendor, Zacks Investment Research, might revise this date in the future, once the company announces the actual earnings date. According to Zacks Investment Research, based on 11 analysts' forecasts, the consensus EPS forecast for the quarter is $6.34. The reported EPS for the same quarter last year was $7.09. https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/amzn/earnings EDIT- I’ve seen 4/30 in some reports also...odd it’s not pegged the same everywhere. Edited April 19, 20205 yr by Tailgate
April 19, 20205 yr While you could rely on an algorithm based on a company's historical reporting dates, there is a fringe school of thought that suggests you could just check the company's IR page: https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amazoncom-webcast-first-quarter-2020-financial-results SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Apr. 16, 2020-- Amazon.com, Inc. (NASDAQ: AMZN) announced today that it will hold a conference call to discuss its first quarter 2020 financial results on April 30, 2020 at 2:30 p.m. PT/5:30 p.m. ET.
April 19, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, Message Board User said: Originally posted in the regular Covid19 thread, I didn't want to sidetrack that discussion, so moving it here. How many companies are going to fail, both public and private, because of the staggering debt load shoved up their ass so that private equity firms can extract their pound of flesh. Neiman is sitting on a shitload of debt from not one, but two LBOs in the last 15 years. Obviously, Neiman Marcus has its own share of issues with the shift to online commerce, but something tells me they wouldn't be this turbo fucked without all the LBO debt. Since they are still private, I guess most of the pain in this case will be absorbed by the debt holders, assuming a restructuring is possible, but I expect you will see more and more bankruptcies caused by this bullshit. And when the avalanche gets going, we all get to spread our cheeks and pick up the tab at the end of the day. Found this quote from a principal of one PE firm(CAZ Investments, unrelated to the Neiman deals), amusing: Quote “There’s a fine line a private equity firm has to walk between delivering the best returns they can for their limited partners,” Zook says, and “making sure that they’re good stewards of the companies they acquire.” Lulz, I'm sure I can guess which side of that "fine line" PE firms reside 99% of the time. Edited April 19, 20205 yr by Blotto
April 19, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Blotto said: Originally posted in the regular Covid19 thread, I didn't want to sidetrack that discussion, so moving it here. How many companies are going to fail, both public and private, because of the staggering debt load shoved shoved up their ass so that private equity firms can extract their pound of flesh. Neiman is sitting on a shitload of debt from not one, but two LBOs in the last 15 years. Obviously, Neiman Marcus has its own share of issues with the shift to online commerce, but something tells me they wouldn't be this turbo fucked without all the LBO debt. Since they are still private, I guess most of the pain in this case will be absorbed by the debt holders, assuming a restructuring is possible, but I expect you will see more and more bankruptcies caused by this bullshit. And when the avalanche gets going, we all get to spread our cheeks and pick up the tab at the end of the day. Found this quote from a principal of one PE firm(CAZ Investments, unrelated to the Neiman deals), amusing: Lulz, I'm sure I can guess which side of that "fine line" PE firms reside 99% of the time. A great question is why the fuck is the Canada Pension Plan investing in LBOs? If the debt isn't junk, it's got to be close.
April 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, UTexasFight said: Short sellers have revived their wagers against the stock market in recent weeks, taking their most aggressive positions in years. Bets against the SPDR S&P 500 Trust, the biggest exchange-traded fund tracking the broad index, rose to $68.1 billion last week, the highest level in data going back to January 2016, according to financial analytics company S3 Partners. That was up from $41.7 billion at the beginning of 2020 and $41.2 billion a year ago. Unless the market drops immediately at the open tomorrow, would expect to see more increases in short positions... Edited April 19, 20205 yr by LTtxfan
April 19, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: A great question is why the fuck is the Canada Pension Plan investing in LBOs? If the debt isn't junk, it's got to be close. Don't know anything about the Canadian Pension Plan, but I'm guessing most pension funds have had a hell of a time matching the presumed long-term rate of return that underpins their ability to meet obligations. With bond market returns plunging, pensions have had to turn to riskier investments to find the kind of yield they desperately need. I'm sure this trend will end well for pensioners the world over, like it always does.
April 20, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: Oil getting completely blown out. Down 36% to $11.
April 20, 20205 yr Oil getting completely blown out. Down 36% to $11.Somebody just realize the Saudi flotilla is getting closer?
April 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, closetohumping said: Today looking like an oh shit day ‘Oh shit‘ as in..... ‘Oh shit, You’re right! It’s Monday and the market’s open. Time to Buy,buy,buy!’ Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
April 20, 20205 yr 17 hours ago, Blotto said: Don't know anything about the Canadian Pension Plan, but I'm guessing most pension funds have had a hell of a time matching the presumed long-term rate of return that underpins their ability to meet obligations. With bond market returns plunging, pensions have had to turn to riskier investments to find the kind of yield they desperately need. I'm sure this trend will end well for pensioners the world over, like it always does. A lot of pension funds are prohibited from investing in bonds that are below investment grade.
April 20, 20205 yr 17 hours ago, Blotto said: Don't know anything about the Canadian Pension Plan, but I'm guessing most pension funds have had a hell of a time matching the presumed long-term rate of return that underpins their ability to meet obligations. With bond market returns plunging, pensions have had to turn to riskier investments to find the kind of yield they desperately need. I'm sure this trend will end well for pensioners the world over, like it always does. 22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said: A lot of pension funds are prohibited from investing in bonds that are below investment grade. Thus my question. Seems like bad stewardship, but pension funds have been doing that for a while now. Today, a defined benefit pension seems like a really bad idea, but they were the standard retirement plan for quite some time. Did they ever really work or were they always a Ponzi scheme? Edited April 20, 20205 yr by TwiceHorn
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