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15 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

 

Firing a shotgun at a hurricane

Next time nuke it.

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7 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Not a comment on his particular viewpoint this morning, but Cramer is a hack and usually full of shit. 

Yeah that's why it's so alarming.

20 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It was a little sad listening to Cramer call for intervention to protect the S&P 500. Even he admitted that perhaps irrational exuberance can be partially to blame, but that we needed to protect investors in order to save the little man (non-investors.)  Very reminiscence of 2008-09.

I fully expect Cramer to get a White House posting, as Prez Drumbpf loves guys with a broadcasting background

36 minutes ago, woohorn said:

I figure the worst and I want to get out pf equity funds until after eoy.

In a mutual find enviroment,what are y'all waiting it out in? Bonds? I would be happy sitting in cash, but my guy is trying to push bond funds...

yeap, most of my my account parked in MF or ETF holding mostly treasury notes, and a tiny bit of corporate bonds

6 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

FED to make a $1T intervention.  Jesus 

1) They should invest that in puts.

2) Profit

3) Paydown the national debt

22 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

FED to make a $1T intervention.  Jesus 

Fiat money.  It's Fannnnntastic.

28 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

FED to make a $1T intervention.  Jesus 

That's just a band-aid measure. If workers aren't going to work, they aren't getting paid, so they aren't spending money. That'll fucking slow an economy down. Giving another trillion bucks to corporations isn't going to make them suddenly start passing it on to their workers, it'll go to the shareholders.

$1.5 Trillion. 

And the dead cat bounce after the announcement - gone. 

This is a fiscal problem.

Explain this development like you would to a 5th grader, no wait I need something more basic... explain it like you would to an TexAgs poster

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12 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

$1.5 Trillion. 

And the dead cat bounce after the announcement - gone. 

This is a fiscal problem.

Inject more fake money! 

31 minutes ago, RCRanger03 said:

Explain this development like you would to a 5th grader, no wait I need something more basic... explain it like you would to an TexAgs poster

Over the next 3? months small meteors are going to pepper the countries of the world bringing commerce to a crawl and disrupting workers (killing some) and causing businesses to fail/falter.

How do you stop the meteors?  (and/or the impact of those meteors on business?)    -make money easier / cheaper to burrow???

 

Do you have confidence in the efficacy of the plan supplied by our "leaders" to address that Supply Shock? 

Will it be effective?

Are you willing to bet money on it?

 

https://www.marketplace.org/2020/03/12/how-the-markets-are-reacting-to-covid-19/

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Fuck me.

Bond fund just took a huge shitter today.

i can’t fucking win

Seriously... wtf happened to the vanguard total bond etf? Lost 5%. Fuckkkkk

5 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Seriously... wtf happened to the vanguard total bond etf? Lost 5%. Fuckkkkk

 

2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Seriously... wtf happened to the vanguard total bond etf? Lost 5%. Fuckkkkk

Lost 5%?  That's a massive win.  Congrats

So our PE group is asking all their portfolio companies to pay lines down to their bank. They suspect something very bad is about to happen.  Also the CIO for Guggenheim was on CNBC and says he sees the credit markets collapsing.  The set reacted like you would expect.  I don't think my brain can even comprehend what that means?  I mean this is like the housing market shit - except EVERY FUCKING SECTOR is affected.  The end is nigh...

2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Seriously... wtf happened to the vanguard total bond etf? Lost 5%. Fuckkkkk

Maybe traders dont like the underlying bonds that are BBB grade and near-maturity.  Who knows.  Ain't as bad as VTI or VOO

6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Lost 5%?  That's a massive win.  Congrats

Zactly

7 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

So our PE group is asking all their portfolio companies to pay lines down to their bank. They suspect something very bad is about to happen.  Also the CIO for Guggenheim was on CNBC and says he sees the credit markets collapsing.  The set reacted like you would expect.  I don't think my brain can even comprehend what that means?  I mean this is like the housing market shit - except EVERY FUCKING SECTOR is affected.  The end is nigh...

Damn.  ChiTown went from sunshine to dark side in no time flat. 

Fookin ell.

Fuck you Donald, you goddamn ignoramus./no CR, this is a general and valid observation independent of politics.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Fookin ell.

Fuck you Donald, you goddamn ignoramus./no CR, this is a general and valid observation independent of politics.

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19 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

... Also the CIO for Guggenheim was on CNBC and says he sees the credit markets collapsing.  ... I mean this is like the housing market shit - except EVERY FUCKING SECTOR is affected.  ...

I've been warning about this possibility for a long time (though not as vociferously lately as no one seems interested in discussing it).  Zombie businesses are (likely) finally going to die.  Credit markets are going to crater.  Banks are going to face enormous stress.  Currency crisis is not out of the question in spite of the Fed's printing press.  2008 didn't solve a damn thing.  Covid19 may have accelerated the pace to catching up the can, but you can only kick it down the road so far in a world of compounding interest and debt.

Wow, it's almost like this whole economy was a house of cards all along and people are just now starting to call bullshit

Yep, also my question of a virus crashing the market has now been truly answered. This thing does more damage than just lung damage.

My tenant works for a regional bank.  The local stock exchange dropped 14% today lol.  No idea what their circuit breakers are set at.  and he was just recently divorced.  Hope he keeps paying rent.

26 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Damn.  ChiTown went from sunshine to dark side in no time flat. 

SurlyBros, you know I'm always a pump sunshine, buy the dip, ALWAYS stay in guy.  What I saw yesterday morning scared me like I've never been scared.   Not some market guru... I got a lucky fucking guess when I pulled out a good chunk of cash...that happened to be same day NBA etc started to all cancel everything.  But what I've heard since has been nothing but doom.  From actual industry experts - these people know a LOT more than me about the markets.  They're scared. 

On the medical side UofC, NW, Rush here in Chicago have nowhere to send their respiratory illness patients.  Meaning they need nursing homes / rehab centers.  These centers are all saying no.  Hard no on anything respiratory related.  The bed shortage is starting at the hospitals even before COVID even hits us hard.  

So I'm telling you that the financial guys and the medical scene looks like total fucking shit.  It's happening.  This is not a fucking joke. I still have dumbass friends laughing at it.  Don't hole up with a million guns.  You can live your life.  Just don't get together in huge groups.  Probably drop all activities in public that aren't essential.  If everyone followed these rules the medical emergency ends in 3-4 weeks and we can begin the long recovery.  If large groups of idiots don't heed epidemiologist warnings, this will turn into northern Italy which is basically hell on earth.  

 

9 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

If large groups of idiots don't heed epidemiologist warnings, this will turn into northern Italy which is basically hell on earth. 

I am sure we will figure all of this out on our own.

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10 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

SurlyBros, you know I'm always a pump sunshine, buy the dip, ALWAYS stay in guy.  What I saw yesterday morning scared me like I've never been scared.   Not some market guru... I got a lucky fucking guess when I pulled out a good chunk of cash...that happened to be same day NBA etc started to all cancel everything.  But what I've heard since has been nothing but doom.  From actual industry experts - these people know a LOT more than me about the markets.  They're scared. 

On the medical side UofC, NW, Rush here in Chicago have nowhere to send their respiratory illness patients.  Meaning they need nursing homes / rehab centers.  These centers are all saying no.  Hard no on anything respiratory related.  The bed shortage is starting at the hospitals even before COVID even hits us hard.  

So I'm telling you that the financial guys and the medical scene looks like total fucking shit.  It's happening.  This is not a fucking joke. I still have dumbass friends laughing at it.  Don't hole up with a million guns.  You can live your life.  Just don't get together in huge groups.  Probably drop all activities in public that aren't essential.  If everyone followed these rules the medical emergency ends in 3-4 weeks and we can begin the long recovery.  If large groups of idiots don't heed epidemiologist warnings, this will turn into northern Italy which is basically hell on earth.  

 

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

So our PE group is asking all their portfolio companies to pay lines down to their bank. They suspect something very bad is about to happen.  Also the CIO for Guggenheim was on CNBC and says he sees the credit markets collapsing.  The set reacted like you would expect.  I don't think my brain can even comprehend what that means?  I mean this is like the housing market shit - except EVERY FUCKING SECTOR is affected.  The end is nigh...

 

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29 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

SurlyBros, you know I'm always a pump sunshine, buy the dip, ALWAYS stay in guy.  What I saw yesterday morning scared me like I've never been scared.   Not some market guru... I got a lucky fucking guess when I pulled out a good chunk of cash...that happened to be same day NBA etc started to all cancel everything.  But what I've heard since has been nothing but doom.  From actual industry experts - these people know a LOT more than me about the markets.  They're scared. 

On the medical side UofC, NW, Rush here in Chicago have nowhere to send their respiratory illness patients.  Meaning they need nursing homes / rehab centers.  These centers are all saying no.  Hard no on anything respiratory related.  The bed shortage is starting at the hospitals even before COVID even hits us hard.  

So I'm telling you that the financial guys and the medical scene looks like total fucking shit.  It's happening.  This is not a fucking joke. I still have dumbass friends laughing at it.  Don't hole up with a million guns.  You can live your life.  Just don't get together in huge groups.  Probably drop all activities in public that aren't essential.  If everyone followed these rules the medical emergency ends in 3-4 weeks and we can begin the long recovery.  If large groups of idiots don't heed epidemiologist warnings, this will turn into northern Italy which is basically hell on earth.  

 

I'm not a doomsday prepper or an end of the world guy so I've never bought into anything.  I bought into this, though.  I don't know the medicine side of it but when it blew up outside of China like it did, I saw some key activity in the consumer product industry and I knew we would have a problem.  I started telling very close friends to stock up.  Meanwhile, like you, I had dumb ass friends laughing at it.

You're right, this is no fucking joke.  The math is scary and that applies to health care infrastructure as well as consumer retail infrastructure.  

1 hour ago, bernorange said:

I've been warning about this possibility for a long time (though not as vociferously lately as no one seems interested in discussing it).  Zombie businesses are (likely) finally going to die.  Credit markets are going to crater.  Banks are going to face enormous stress.  Currency crisis is not out of the question in spite of the Fed's printing press.  2008 didn't solve a damn thing.  Covid19 may have accelerated the pace to catching up the can, but you can only kick it down the road so far in a world of compounding interest and debt.

Well I guess it is a good thing Corona kills the boomers as this is going to wipe them the fuck out financially.

16 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

If large groups of idiots don't heed epidemiologist warnings, this will turn into northern Italy which is basically hell on earth

Like all the idiots who keep repeating how this isn't anywhere near as bad as the flu

Because you know who said so

So...is it not too late to pull out of the market? I only have retirement accounts and am 35, but I would prefer to not have them go to zero.

I'm tempted to call my Trumpkin BIL and ask him how his retirement accounts are doing. He's been very quiet recently.

So...is it not too late to pull out of the market? I only have retirement accounts and am 35, but I would prefer to not have them go to zero.
On the other hand, in a real doomsday scenario cash won't be worth anything so who gives a fuck?

My client in a suburb (30 mins) of Atlanta still seems to want to meet in person week after next vs. virtually and the female VP of my subject area basically called me a chump for dropping a "maybe we'll do it virtually" line in there. It's a fairly big meeting and there's a board member I want to get face time with for some other business opportunity, but it's nothing that really loses anything by being held virtually. It's a findings presentation, just a bunch of slides.

The entire company is acting like it's business as usual even after they're having to shut down operations in various cities then re-start them as they have COVID scares with their field people. Damnedest thing.

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39 minutes ago, Okie State said:

So...is it not too late to pull out of the market? I only have retirement accounts and am 35, but I would prefer to not have them go to zero.

You’ll be ok. Presumably you’re in a diversified mutual fund with moderate risk. Let it alone and pay closer attention in 20 years. If all our retirement accounts bottom out, it’ll be post apocalyptic hell anyway 

You’ll be ok. Presumably you’re in a diversified mutual fund with moderate risk. Let it alone and pay closer attention in 20 years. If all our retirement accounts bottom out, it’ll be post apocalyptic hell anyway 
Mix of domestic and foreign Vanguard and Fidelity index funds. They've gotten hammered, but what hasn't. Thankfully my company stock exposure was relatively small. At least I do have some cash in a company funded account so I have that going for me...until they go bankrupt.

At this point I know the right answer is to leave it alone and forget about it. I always feel like I'm making the wrong one on shit like this though and hindsight is a bitch.
9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Disneyworld is closed now.

 

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44 minutes ago, RPM said:

I'm tempted to call my Trumpkin BIL and ask him how his retirement accounts are doing. He's been very quiet recently.

You stumbled into the wrong forum, dipshit...

I don't say this lightly but today might have been the largest day in the history of retail.  I'll know more numbers tomorrow but the stories I've heard are hard to believe.

All stores around me have been overrun. They're still restocking, but I'd have to assume we'll see supply issues at some point if this goes on too long. Glad I read this board and started preparing weeks ago even when most said I was crazy.

Disneyworld is closed now.
 
We had a trip planned for end of May. I've thought it would be cancelled for about the last month or so. Can't imagine how it won't be now.
20 minutes ago, Okie State said:

Mix of domestic and foreign Vanguard and Fidelity index funds. They've gotten hammered, but what hasn't. Thankfully my company stock exposure was relatively small. At least I do have some cash in a company funded account so I have that going for me...until they go bankrupt.

At this point I know the right answer is to leave it alone and forget about it. I always feel like I'm making the wrong one on shit like this though and hindsight is a bitch.

Don’t just do nothing! Stand there.

You answered the question yourself with “I know the right answer.” Don’t overthink it and watch the new every hour. It will be ok and even bigger when the turn comes...and it will.

You stumbled into the wrong forum, dipshit...

Just pick up the phone and call him. Your BIL is very worried about you.

Seeing that futures are falling again/still - does the Fed have another $1.5 trillion sitting around for another dose of stimulus, or to prevent the banking system collapse for at least another day.

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