December 7, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Yuk said: I would absolutely take Traylor. If we're going to go this direction, at least I'd like the guy. I'd take a flyer on Traylor for all the reasons already enumerated. Plus, he'd come cheaper than UM, so fewer BMD's would be needed to fund Herman and staff's buyout and Traylor's & his staff's hire. For better or worse, however, that's not going to happen. Traylor's not nearly shiny enough and we'd run the risk of splitting the BMD's again, neither of which would be good in the long run. What does that leave us with? Dead-Man-Walking Herman for another year while recruiting continues to tank. Yeah, we truly are in the worst-case scenario. We jumped out of the plane, pulled the ripcord, and the Urbanchute didn't open. Alas.
December 7, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, kevwun said: I have liked Traylor since he was an assistant here. I would take him over Herman in a heartbeat. He would be a witch at recruiting. UTSA would probably beat us if healthy at QB
December 7, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, Blotto said: Who the fuck would take that job when other schools are handing out $30-$75 million guaranteed? The dumbest motherfucker on the planet thats who. You need to bump that pay range up to about $10-$15 for a conference championship and $25 million for the national championship, or the thought exercise is pointless. not when there are no candidates worthy of $30-$75 guaranteed.
December 7, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, NoRagrets said: I think I’m on the Venables train. we need a coach that pays attention to detail, knows how to coach at a high level, consistently in college. Knows how to recruit and identify talent. He seems like the next great coach. He just needs the right opportunity. Many ou and Clemson fans say he has zero interest in being a head coach at all. His career would suggest the same. Fickell, Tony Elliott, Steve Sarkisian, Matt Campbell,
December 7, 20205 yr The Traylor plus Muschamp/Odom, Samples, Maguire, Carrington deal sure got my attention.
December 7, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, burdine said: The most attainable Plan Bs: Matt Campbell - good track record at ISU (but how much is having 4 years of Purdy) plus Toledo Pat Fitzgerald - not sexy but sustained success in a major conference over 14 years, gets regular NFL interest Bryan Harsin - success but he inherited a solid program Jeff Traylor - less proven but deep Texas HS connections, might stabilize recruiting Cant see Harsin coming here ever
December 7, 20205 yr Sans Urban, this would be my dream scenario:HC - Allen/Fickell/Traylor/whateverPrez of OL-ShermanOT’s- moneywhip best guyOG’s-moneywhip best guyCenter- moneywhip best guyOL Analyst #1OL Analysts #2OL Analysts #3OL PsychologistOL S+C coachOL NFL LiaisonOL nutrition coachOL Mentor #1OL Mentor #2Private jet for OLBrand new residences only for OL with restaurants, tailors, f350 parking, pool, spa, movie theatre, helipad, discoteca, bowling alley, strip club, Apple store, investment bankers, woodworking shop, boxing ring, jui-jitsu lessons, on call hunting guide, wrestling lessons, on call fishing guide, and tiffs treats next to Amy’s ice cream. Whatever else I dont care. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
December 7, 20205 yr I'm actually in favor of Traylor as the backup plan if Mullen is a no go. But that would be based on Traylor having a plan for the full program and impressing in the interview based on everything that comes with the job. Step one is rescuing recruiting. Traylor does that. Same reason Rhule would be a terrible idea even if interested (he wouldn't be). And yes, part of Traylor's appeal is a cheap short contract that guarantees Herman's exit.
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Red Five said: The Traylor plus Muschamp/Odom, Samples, Maguire, Carrington deal sure got my attention. Traylor is going to go a school like fucking tech or tcu and shit down our throats for years and years because we cant look past our own dicks
December 7, 20205 yr I feel like I've been warped over to OrangeBloods with all of this Traylor talk. Sure, I liked the guy when he was here and he's doing impressive stuff with UTSA, but I challenge anyone to say they would be surprised if we hired him and four years from now we're looking back on how incredibly reactionary and stupid it was to follow up Charlie and Herman with the non-P5 trifecta ending with Traylor and expecting different results. Not saying it'd happen and that he wouldn't break the mold Charlie and Herman set, just saying it's of the same mold and an extreme gamble, and one we can't afford to take at this juncture.
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Handcruser said: Sans Urban, this would be my dream scenario: HC - Allen/Fickell/Traylor/whatever Prez of OL-Sherman OT’s- moneywhip best guy OG’s-moneywhip best guy Center- moneywhip best guy OL Analyst #1 OL Analysts #2 OL Analysts #3 OL Psychologist OL S+C coach OL NFL Liaison OL nutrition coach OL Mentor #1 OL Mentor #2 Private jet for OL Brand new residences only for OL with restaurants, tailors, f350 parking, pool, spa, movie theatre, helipad, discoteca, bowling alley, strip club, Apple store, investment bankers, woodworking shop, boxing ring, jui-jitsu lessons, on call hunting guide, wrestling lessons, on call fishing guide, and tiffs treats next to Amy’s ice cream. Whatever else I dont care. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Deer antler spray Alabama's 'No 1 Draft Pick" Supplement Plan
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Doc Reeves said: Cant see Harsin coming here ever I think Traylor is interesting and different than what we have been trying. You have him hire some big time name assistants and double down on Texas high school recruiting to shore up recruiting. Maybe our mistake is thinking throwing money at problems is the best way to fix them rather than think through a real strategy forward.
December 7, 20205 yr So the grass roots are coalescing on boards into a movement? Rise of the Traylor Trash Army? MUTGA
December 7, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, markstanco said: Imma start a new thread for every thought like they do at texags. it obviously 2 threads per thought at txags . not a lot o thoughts to go around over there
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Huckleberry said: I'm actually in favor of Traylor as the backup plan if Mullen is a no go. But that would be based on Traylor having a plan for the full program and impressing in the interview based on everything that comes with the job. Step one is rescuing recruiting. Traylor does that. Same reason Rhule would be a terrible idea even if interested (he wouldn't be). And yes, part of Traylor's appeal is a cheap short contract that guarantees Herman's exit. A cheaper head coach allows you to spend more on assistants. Hire someone like Traylor and then go overboard on the assistants and analysts.
December 7, 20205 yr if we're not getting one of the big name coaches available, then we don't have to pay our next coach $6 mil a year just because Herman was making around $5.8 mil. it's so fucking stupid. Traylor is making $800k a year. you don't think he'd take $3.25 mil a year to coach Texas, with incentives? we overpay for shit coaches who haven't proven they're worth the money. make him earn it. and to all of this, "well if we don't pay our coaches a shit-ton, we'll wind up with shitty candidates," look at what we've attracted. Strong and Herman, who both robbed us blind. we could have spent half the money for similar results. or it could have worked out if we took the right guy, then he'd be cleaning up now.
December 7, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Boy, I got busy yesterday and ... wow. I skipped like 30 pages, so forgive me if I'm late on something, but I got to catch up offline in any event. Urban Meyer really is unpredictable and a bit of a flake. If it's really health, I guess it's a case of "you don't know until you have to say so" kind of thing. He still hasn't communicated directly, so nothing would shock me, but it seems obvious it's over. There is a push-pull right now in terms of direction. I've asked repeatedly about the viability of Herman staying and no one is hedging internally anywhere that he's staying. I still think they will really fuck this up and keep him with all kinds of rationalizations. The money was there last year for him. The money was there in the spring for Shaka Smart. Both were rationalized into being kept. Another direction is going to the "nobody ever got fired for hiring ..." premise, in which a shiny object of the P5 nature will be chased. To me, that could look a lot like the Perrin/Piece baseball debacle in which we wind up getting a whole bunch of HCs raises across the country. I'm betting that if Herman does get shitcanned, this is the circus we see and somehow wind up with a wet fart like PJ Fleck, who will crush an interview and get the admin's panties wet. Even worse, and I can't stomach this, Fat Patty gets moneywhipped with his 4 losing seasons in the last 5 years. Then there's the "get the guy that knows how to coach and develop" premise. This would be where Matt Campbell types come into the discussion more freely. Napier at Louisiana. You guys have all shit repeatedly on Traylor at UTSA, but he'd fall into this camp. He's 7-4 this year. He wins 10 or 11 games next year, suddenly everyone's ears perk up. He's connected deeply throughout the state HS ranks. He'd bring in one of the big name DCs that he knows or is friends with like a Muschamp or Odom. Guys like Samples and Maguire would be brought in as recruiting beasts. Carrington probably stays in role. I know no one wants to hear it and it would be deflating to me as well, but I can at least understand the approach. The NFL stuff that's been hinted at is cancer. It isn't Jeff Fisher. It also doesn't sound like it's happening, so whatever. As usual, it sounds like Texas is above the fray (in its own mind) and probably too good for a coordinator. Maybe an interested Venables would have a shot. Seems unlikely. I know this - the admin doesn't understand the dire state of the recruiting landscape if they get this wrong. They think they do, but they don't. They never have. Well, damn, you may have sold me on Traylor. My god how depressing is that? But if he wins - no one gives a fuck where he came from or what his resume was. Assuming his hiring is done with the idea that we are going to surround him with the best talent evaluators, recruiters, and teachers that money can buy - and that the staff will have the best OC/DC available - it wouldn't be the worst idea. I don't think a Traylor hire is winning Ewers back - but I think he could at least keep us competitive in state and will have a hell of a lot better reputation than Herman.
December 7, 20205 yr This thread is so hypothetical. The prospect of having a first-year offense with two star running backs, in Austin, TX, the place to be in America, is going to be too overwhelming for UM to ignore. He has to take it, or he will forever be wondering about what might have been.
December 7, 20205 yr What if Texas just poured all of its money and influence into banning football nationwide, that seems to be an easier task than hiring a competent coach.
December 7, 20205 yr Can we change this thread to Mullen or bust so we can then change it in a week to Campbell or bust, so we can then change it to Harsin or bust so we can finally end it with Traylor or bust before extending Herman
December 7, 20205 yr Just now, JOSEYWALES66 said: A cheaper head coach allows you to spend more on assistants. Hire someone like Traylor and then go overboard on the assistants and analysts. We could pay the DC and OC more than the head coach makes!
December 7, 20205 yr I don't think anyone is saying Traylor is a sure thing or great hire. But if he helps get Herman out for whatever reason, including financial, then that part works. Traylor at 5 years and 25 million isn't a good hire. Traylor at 3 years guaranteed for 9 million might be. The bottom line is we have to get rid of Herman.
December 7, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, RGBIII said: Traylor is going to go a school like fucking tech or tcu and shit down our throats for years and years because we cant look past our own dicks he can stay at UTSA for a few more years until Jimbo Fisher retires and then go to A&M
December 7, 20205 yr While Traylor is an interesting name, its also been interesting watch the board start to talk him into the next guy.
December 7, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I'm actually in favor of Traylor as the backup plan if Mullen is a no go. But that would be based on Traylor having a plan for the full program and impressing in the interview based on everything that comes with the job. Step one is rescuing recruiting. Traylor does that. Same reason Rhule would be a terrible idea even if interested (he wouldn't be). And yes, part of Traylor's appeal is a cheap short contract that guarantees Herman's exit. I've been giving shit to the rubes on IT that were advocating for Traylor from the beginning - but dammit if they and now you don't have a point. We get him cheap and short so that if the experiments fails we have an easy out to pull the plug in three years.
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Huckleberry said: I don't think anyone is saying Traylor is a sure thing or great hire. But if he helps get Herman out for whatever reason, including financial, then that part works. Traylor at 5 years and 25 million isn't a good hire. Traylor at 3 years guaranteed for 9 million might be. The bottom line is we have to get rid of Herman. the optics of lowballing your new head coach are not good. way to neuter your hire before he even starts
December 7, 20205 yr Traylor talk reminds me of the Tom Herman talk back in 2016. However, if he's going to be the recruiting God everyone thinks he will be, I suppose there's some strategy to trying to salvage that now the we missed our splash hire target.
December 7, 20205 yr The part about Mullen wanting to get out of the SEC and stop recruiting against saban, jimbo, and kirby...at Texas he still has to recruit against those assholes. Fuck it though I'll take Mullen right now over Herman. I will give my left nut for the cause.
December 7, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, The Beast said: LOL on Traylor...............Hello darkness my old friend. The scope and scale of everyting surrounding UT athletics would crush Traylor worse than it did Charlie Strong. You don't take a NASCAR driver and just drop him into F1. Just the media distractions would overwhelm most candidates. Media content = money. Money is the fuel that keeps everything going.
December 7, 20205 yr The Traylor plus Muschamp/Odom, Samples, Maguire, Carrington deal sure got my attention. I’m all in on this.
December 7, 20205 yr Traylor seems very much like a golly gee wiz aww shucks kinda guy similar to Jeremy Pruitt. Not the charismatic leader we need
December 7, 20205 yr 27 minutes ago, Yuk said: I would absolutely take Traylor. If we're going to go this direction, at least I'd like the guy. I'm intrigued. Get TH the fuck out.
December 7, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said: I don't think a Traylor hire is winning Ewers back - but I think he could at least keep us competitive in state and will have a hell of a lot better reputation than Herman. Klubnik is a solid plan B
December 7, 20205 yr Herman needing to go is a given. I just refuse to believe that the only (or most feasible) way to achieve that is hiring a Traylor or comparable. Edit: Last post I'll make off the thread topic. Still here for discussion/speculation around Urban until the cows come home to roost. Edited December 7, 20205 yr by derpyhorndog
December 7, 20205 yr I think quadrupling his current salary is not really lowballing. Nothing wrong with being smart about money. We wouldn't be stuck in this position if we had been in the past.
December 7, 20205 yr The fact that keeping Herman is being entertained as a possibility right now tells me everything I need to know about the depressing state of the program. Edited December 7, 20205 yr by USNALonghorn
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Michael Knight said: the optics of lowballing your new head coach are not good. way to neuter your hire before he even starts 3 million per year is not lowballing a guy making 800k. What do you think is going to happen? "You can't go to Texas Mr. Star Recruit! Their coach would make less money off of your hard work than I would!"
December 7, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Boy, I got busy yesterday and ... wow. I skipped like 30 pages, so forgive me if I'm late on something, but I got to catch up offline in any event. Urban Meyer really is unpredictable and a bit of a flake. If it's really health, I guess it's a case of "you don't know until you have to say so" kind of thing. He still hasn't communicated directly, so nothing would shock me, but it seems obvious it's over. There is a push-pull right now in terms of direction. I've asked repeatedly about the viability of Herman staying and no one is hedging internally anywhere that he's staying. I still think they will really fuck this up and keep him with all kinds of rationalizations. The money was there last year for him. The money was there in the spring for Shaka Smart. Both were rationalized into being kept. Another direction is going to the "nobody ever got fired for hiring ..." premise, in which a shiny object of the P5 nature will be chased. To me, that could look a lot like the Perrin/Piece baseball debacle in which we wind up getting a whole bunch of HCs raises across the country. I'm betting that if Herman does get shitcanned, this is the circus we see and somehow wind up with a wet fart like PJ Fleck, who will crush an interview and get the admin's panties wet. Even worse, and I can't stomach this, Fat Patty gets moneywhipped with his 4 losing seasons in the last 5 years. Then there's the "get the guy that knows how to coach and develop" premise. This would be where Matt Campbell types come into the discussion more freely. Napier at Louisiana. You guys have all shit repeatedly on Traylor at UTSA, but he'd fall into this camp. He's 7-4 this year. He wins 10 or 11 games next year, suddenly everyone's ears perk up. He's connected deeply throughout the state HS ranks. He'd bring in one of the big name DCs that he knows or is friends with like a Muschamp or Odom. Guys like Samples and Maguire would be brought in as recruiting beasts. Carrington probably stays in role. I know no one wants to hear it and it would be deflating to me as well, but I can at least understand the approach. The NFL stuff that's been hinted at is cancer. It isn't Jeff Fisher. It also doesn't sound like it's happening, so whatever. As usual, it sounds like Texas is above the fray (in its own mind) and probably too good for a coordinator. Maybe an interested Venables would have a shot. Seems unlikely. I know this - the admin doesn't understand the dire state of the recruiting landscape if they get this wrong. They think they do, but they don't. They never have. I’m probably in the minority that thinks Traylor could be successful. That’s probably based on close friends in Gilmer who were involved in his hire there and who know him well, personally. Not my first choice, but I think he’s a star in the making. He understands how to motivate and control kids. The fact that the Boyd kids graduated from high school was a minor miracle. He’s a high-character, high-accountability dude. He’d recruit well. High school coaches love him and his players love him. More than anything, he expects to win championships. Gilmer, as in many East Texas towns, has a group of boosters that have to be managed. Nothing to the degree of UT, but a microcosm of it. Those boosters can be the coach’s best friend or worst enemy. He managed them well and used them to keep players out of trouble and actually passing their classes. He understands that being head coach is about more than just coaching. Again, I’m not saying he’s our guy, and I know he’d never get an offer. I just like him better than the guy we have now, and we know he’d be cheap if we found ourselves in a bind. I’d prefer him to Franklin or Fleck, without question.
December 7, 20205 yr Author 8 minutes ago, Red Five said: The Traylor plus Muschamp/Odom, Samples, Maguire, Carrington deal sure got my attention. I was against that, but WTF not.
December 7, 20205 yr I posted this on the Urban thread, but I guess this is the more appropriate place. I’m probably in the minority that thinks Traylor could be successful. That’s probably based on close friends in Gilmer who were involved in his hire there and who know him well, personally. Not my first choice, but I think he’s a star in the making. He understands how to motivate and control kids. The fact that the Boyd kids graduated from high school was a minor miracle. He’s a high-character, high-accountability dude. He’d recruit well. High school coaches love him and his players love him. More than anything, he expects to win championships. Gilmer, as in many East Texas towns, has a group of boosters that have to be managed. Nothing to the degree of UT, but a microcosm of it. Those boosters can be the coach’s best friend or worst enemy. He managed them well and used them to keep players out of trouble and actually passing their classes. He understands that being head coach is about more than just coaching. Again, I’m not saying he’s our guy, and I know he’d never get an offer. I just like him better than the guy we have now, and we know he’d be cheap if we found ourselves in a bind. I’d prefer him to Franklin or Fleck, without question.
December 7, 20205 yr I'm not saying Texas should hire Traylor but they should be open to hiring someone outside their comfort zone. There are a lot of good coaches out there and most don't currently fit conveniently into the box we want them to be in.
December 7, 20205 yr Bill Obrien...yikes. Surly is depressing the fuck out of me. Mullen or Traylor or Ash as interim while we do a year long search for our white rhino.
December 7, 20205 yr Just now, WinningIsHard said: Bill Obrien...yikes. Surly is depressing the fuck out of me. Mullen or Traylor or Ash as interim while we do a year long search for our white rhino. Mullen? Hahahahahahahaha that’s never happening
December 7, 20205 yr Is this the thread where we talk about hiring a guy who was a HS coach 5 years ago? I’m in.
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