December 7, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, USMCHorn said: Why the FUCK is Art Briles being brought up? Read the room.. people's heads are falling off Fuck BRILES
December 7, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Can't recruit worth shit. But I know it's ISU Give him the talent Texas has currently and he'll win enough that recruiting will work itself out, with a little help from a good recruiting staff. It's hard to recruit people to Aimes, IA, where the main attraction is watching a flock of geese fly into a wind turbine. Edited December 7, 20205 yr by UncleBuck
December 7, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, Big_kat said: Somebody talk me out of Matt Campbell. I realize he is not the fancy, splash hire that most of us want, but he is what we need. I have not seen many coaches do more with less than he has done at ISU. He was also good at Toledo before. I will take substance over flash any day of the week. Can any of you say you don't fear having to play ISU with him as the coach? I think that is a pretty good litmus test for a candidate. Hell, I know Lincoln fears him. Here is his record: Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP° Toledo Rockets (Mid-American Conference) (2011–2015) 2011 Toledo 1–0 0–0 W Military 2012 Toledo 9–4 6–2 T–2nd (West) L Famous Idaho Potato 2013 Toledo 7–5 5–3 T–3rd (West) 2014 Toledo 9–4 7–1 T–1st (West) W GoDaddy 2015 Toledo 9–2 6–2 T–1st (West) Boca Raton* Toledo: 35–15 24–8 * Departed Toledo for Iowa State before bowl game Iowa State Cyclones (Big 12 Conference) (2016–present) 2016 Iowa State 3–9 2–7 9th 2017 Iowa State 8–5 5–4 T–4th W Liberty 2018 Iowa State 8–5 6–3 T–3rd L Alamo 2019 Iowa State 7–6 5–4 T–3rd L Camping World 2020 Iowa State 8–2 8–1 1st Iowa State: 34–27 26–19 Total: 69–42 National championship Conference title Conference division title or championship game berth †Indicates Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, BCS, or CFP / New Years' Six bowl. #Rankings from final Coaches Poll. °Rankings from final AP Poll. I get the bowl record is not the greatest, but again, these are with 3 star kids with a few 4 stars sprinkled in. Now imagine what he could do with 4 star kids and some 5 stars. Am I totally off base here? I will have to say it over and over again. "Imagine what he can do with Texas talent" is an excuse line and does not mean shit. The same was said about Herman and he lost to SMU with superior talent at Houston. Campbell lost to the Raging Cajuns and Oklahoma State that is a paper giant! So stop with imagine what they can do with Texas talent. If they lose with superior talent to lesser talent with their current roster during their best year they will lose to inferior talent at Texas. Final year before moving on to NC job: Saban - Only lost to ranked talent in his last year. Purdue which was ranked lower than his team had Drew Brees Urban - Did not lose Mack Brown - Only lost to higher ranked Florida State Edited December 7, 20205 yr by DanTheHorn
December 7, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, RabidM said: Art Briles would kill rape it here. We're also not hiring him. fify
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, TexasGolf said: how about who ever wins the meat cooking contest gets to coach in 2021 We don't want Herb Hand and his stupid longhorn grill thing to be here next year 😉
December 7, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, USMCHorn said: Why the FUCK is Art Briles being brought up? Because he's one of only two Sure Deal candidates. Him and Urban. And neither of them are coming here. So we gotta stop pigeon holing ourselves on what an acceptable option is for the next Texas coach. No one will check all of the boxes.
December 7, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, USMCHorn said: Why the FUCK is Art Briles being brought up? Because playing What if is fun
December 7, 20205 yr Think about it we have the money to steal the coach from Mount Vernon High School or Ut-San Antonio. Hmmm choices...
December 7, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, Big_kat said: Somebody talk me out of Matt Campbell. I realize he is not the fancy, splash hire that most of us want, but he is what we need. I have not seen many coaches do more with less than he has done at ISU. He was also good at Toledo before. I will take substance over flash any day of the week. Can any of you say you don't fear having to play ISU with him as the coach? I think that is a pretty good litmus test for a candidate. Hell, I know Lincoln fears him. Here is his record: Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP° Toledo Rockets (Mid-American Conference) (2011–2015) 2011 Toledo 1–0 0–0 W Military 2012 Toledo 9–4 6–2 T–2nd (West) L Famous Idaho Potato 2013 Toledo 7–5 5–3 T–3rd (West) 2014 Toledo 9–4 7–1 T–1st (West) W GoDaddy 2015 Toledo 9–2 6–2 T–1st (West) Boca Raton* Toledo: 35–15 24–8 * Departed Toledo for Iowa State before bowl game Iowa State Cyclones (Big 12 Conference) (2016–present) 2016 Iowa State 3–9 2–7 9th 2017 Iowa State 8–5 5–4 T–4th W Liberty 2018 Iowa State 8–5 6–3 T–3rd L Alamo 2019 Iowa State 7–6 5–4 T–3rd L Camping World 2020 Iowa State 8–2 8–1 1st Iowa State: 34–27 26–19 Total: 69–42 National championship Conference title Conference division title or championship game berth †Indicates Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, BCS, or CFP / New Years' Six bowl. #Rankings from final Coaches Poll. °Rankings from final AP Poll. I get the bowl record is not the greatest, but again, these are with 3 star kids with a few 4 stars sprinkled in. Now imagine what he could do with 4 star kids and some 5 stars. Am I totally off base here? I agree with all this. He's taking the equivalent of Kansas or pre-Briles Baylor and turned them into a CCG team. They're a balanced, disciplined team and it's in our conference against the same teams he'd play here. Imagine him with better talent and a bigger assistant budget. Recruiting is an unknown because he's at ISU but just make sure he's got a few rainmakers on staff and he should be fine there.
December 7, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said: Urban - Did not lose Except for that year when he got smoked by Iowa.
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, ztejas said: Except for that year when he got smoked by Iowa. Read the post!
December 7, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, TexasGolf said: how about who ever wins the meat cooking contest gets to coach in 2021 Or we have a NCAA 14 tournament. Who wants that read option smoke?!?
December 7, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, El Hornarino said: Which side of the line is Hugh Freeze on? Imperial or metric?
December 7, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Think about if Art Briles gets the Tech job because they suck it up and 86 the JAG they have there right now and realize that trading their soul for wins is the right Tech move and on brand. Briles has offered to take the Tech job for a few things: 1) $1 - literally, that's it. 2) Total control over football. 3) A big stack of money for his assistants and admins. He's told them they can negotiate a contract for him after 2 years when everyone sees where everything is at with the program. Seriously??? Jeez, we need this to hit the mainstream media so protests start erupting before the deal gets done.
December 7, 20205 yr This is a real question, I'm not a troll, and I understand many will shit on me for even asking. I'll start by saying that it's clear to me that Herman is not a *bad* coach. He obviously does not perform up to our standards and seems like a pompous ass who rubs many fans, admin. and BMDs the wrong way, but he is an above average college coach. My personal view of college football over the past 15 years, and even more so over the past decade, is that there are 1-5 truly elite college coaches who can predictably and systematically win at the highest levels. Then there are a bunch of coaches who, whether because they don't have truly elite talent, or get outcoached sometimes but not most of the time, lose 2-5 games every year. This is totally variable from year to year, but generally these are coaches that win more than they lose to varying degrees. Herman is obviously one of those coaches. Can someone who knows more about recruiting tell me why we should buy out Herman, pay another probably very comparable coach as much or more to come here, only to continue to lose a similar number of games year to year? Having missed on Urban, why is it out of the question to simply ride with Herman, who is at least winning (more than we could say about Strong)? I gather it's to save and re-invigorate recruiting, but I don't see evidence that there is someone out there who will keep Bama and Clemson and especially tOSU from taking the best recruits out of Texas for the foreseeable future. It really seems like missing out on Urban means we are back at Herman being our best option, which at least means winning twice as many games as we lose until someone else emerges as a truly elite option. Getting rid of him because we hate his personality and because he isn't one of the best 5 coaches in the country, when none of those dudes is available, seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but I honestly don't know enough about the damage to recruiting that this approach would do in the medium and long term. Someone please enlighten me.
December 7, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said: I will have to say it over and over again. "Imagine what he can do with Texas talent" is an excuse line and does not mean shit. The same was said about Herman and he lost to SMU with superior talent at Houston. Campbell lost to the Raging Cajuns and Oklahoma State that is a paper giant! So stop with imagine what they can do with Texas talent. If they lose with superior talent to lesser talent with their current roster during their best year they will lose to inferior talent at Texas. Final year before moving on to NC job: Saban - Only lost to ranked talent in his last year. Purdue which was ranked lower than his team had Drew Brees Urban - Did not lose Mack Brown - Only lost to higher ranked Florida State UNC, MSU, and Utah are all much, much more prestigious programs with a whole different level of talent than Iowa State. That's not really a fair comparison. Apples to Chainsaws. It's also a really cherry-picked argument. In his six years, Campbell has lost to less talented teams twice, and one of those was his first game of his first season. I'm not going to go back and look, but I bet even Saban, Urban, and Mack had the same of bad losses, or more, prior to their NC jobs. Edited December 7, 20205 yr by BradInATX
December 7, 20205 yr Just now, Nuthn2CHere said: This is a real question, I'm not a troll, and I understand many will shit on me for even asking. I'll start by saying that it's clear to me that Herman is not a *bad* coach. He obviously does not perform up to our standards and seems like a pompous ass who rubs many fans, admin. and BMDs the wrong way, but he is an above average college coach. By the very definition of "average" and "average" or "above average" coach wouldn't consistently lose to garbage can teams with Texas' talent. An average coach would lose about 2.5 games per year at Texas.
December 7, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, UncleBuck said: Give him the talent Texas has currently and he'll win enough that recruiting will work itself out, with a little help from a good recruiting staff. It's hard to recruit people to Aimes, IA, where the main attraction is watching a flock of geese fly into a wind turbine. Iowa State has just as much NFL Talent on their roster as ours. They aren’t a team of scrubs.
December 7, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, UncleBuck said: Give him the talent Texas has currently and he'll win enough that recruiting will work itself out, with a little help from a good recruiting staff. It's hard to recruit people to Aimes, IA, where the main attraction is watching a flock of geese fly into a wind turbine. Well how good of a recruiter was Saban at Michigan State? I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, but it would stand to reason that if Campbell came here and had immediate success and competed for conference championships, his job as a recruiter would be a lot easier.
December 7, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Nuthn2CHere said: This is a real question, I'm not a troll, and I understand many will shit on me for even asking. I'll start by saying that it's clear to me that Herman is not a *bad* coach. He obviously does not perform up to our standards and seems like a pompous ass who rubs many fans, admin. and BMDs the wrong way, but he is an above average college coach. My personal view of college football over the past 15 years, and even more so over the past decade, is that there are 1-5 truly elite college coaches who can predictably and systematically win at the highest levels. Then there are a bunch of coaches who, whether because they don't have truly elite talent, or get outcoached sometimes but not most of the time, lose 2-5 games every year. This is totally variable from year to year, but generally these are coaches that win more than they lose to varying degrees. Herman is obviously one of those coaches. Can someone who knows more about recruiting tell me why we should buy out Herman, pay another probably very comparable coach as much or more to come here, only to continue to lose a similar number of games year to year? Having missed on Urban, why is it out of the question to simply ride with Herman, who is at least winning (more than we could say about Strong)? I gather it's to save and re-invigorate recruiting, but I don't see evidence that there is someone out there who will keep Bama and Clemson and especially tOSU from taking the best recruits out of Texas for the foreseeable future. It really seems like missing out on Urban means we are back at Herman being our best option, which at least means winning twice as many games as we lose until someone else emerges as a truly elite option. Getting rid of him because we hate his personality and because he isn't one of the best 5 coaches in the country, when none of those dudes is available, seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but I honestly don't know enough about the damage to recruiting that this approach would do in the medium and long term. Someone please enlighten me. Those Herman wins are empty calories against bottom feeders. Look we are 0-6 in our last 6 meetings with OU, ISU, and TCU. And next year we are breaking in a new QB, LT, and pass rusher
December 7, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, CastHorn said: Iowa State has just as much NFL Talent on their roster as ours. They aren’t a team of scrubs. Developed talent vs raw talent our coach doesn’t develop the latter
December 7, 20205 yr Not that it is even a possibility but hiring Briles would be the worst possible outcome to this hell hole we have found ourselves in. Second worst is retaining Herman and watching Briles coach circles around Tom in Austin next fall.
December 7, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Tex-19 said: I agree with all this. He's taking the equivalent of Kansas or pre-Briles Baylor and turned them into a CCG team. Keep in mind, though, that if he were in Austin he wouldn't have the annual win over Texas to count on.
December 7, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, CastHorn said: Iowa State has just as much NFL Talent on their roster as ours. They aren’t a team of scrubs. Did I say NFL talent? Texas is ranked #5 in this years College Football Team NFL "Talent" Composite. Iowa Steak is #57. Yah, there's a big difference.
December 7, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Nuthn2CHere said: This is a real question, I'm not a troll, and I understand many will shit on me for even asking. I'll start by saying that it's clear to me that Herman is not a *bad* coach. He obviously does not perform up to our standards and seems like a pompous ass who rubs many fans, admin. and BMDs the wrong way, but he is an above average college coach. My personal view of college football over the past 15 years, and even more so over the past decade, is that there are 1-5 truly elite college coaches who can predictably and systematically win at the highest levels. Then there are a bunch of coaches who, whether because they don't have truly elite talent, or get outcoached sometimes but not most of the time, lose 2-5 games every year. This is totally variable from year to year, but generally these are coaches that win more than they lose to varying degrees. Herman is obviously one of those coaches. Can someone who knows more about recruiting tell me why we should buy out Herman, pay another probably very comparable coach as much or more to come here, only to continue to lose a similar number of games year to year? Having missed on Urban, why is it out of the question to simply ride with Herman, who is at least winning (more than we could say about Strong)? I gather it's to save and re-invigorate recruiting, but I don't see evidence that there is someone out there who will keep Bama and Clemson and especially tOSU from taking the best recruits out of Texas for the foreseeable future. It really seems like missing out on Urban means we are back at Herman being our best option, which at least means winning twice as many games as we lose until someone else emerges as a truly elite option. Getting rid of him because we hate his personality and because he isn't one of the best 5 coaches in the country, when none of those dudes is available, seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but I honestly don't know enough about the damage to recruiting that this approach would do in the medium and long term. Someone please enlighten me. well partly because it's going to be harder for Herman to attract elite position coaches since most don't like him. Look at the fiasco with finding (and failing) a WR coach. Numerous stellar coaches were talked about only for Herman to strike out on attracting any of them and to have to default with Andre Coleman who was already on staff. The second part is recruiting. We may pull in LJ Johnson this year but I think we're done getting much top 25 talent in 22 and beyond. The big question that changes all this is if he can learn and grow as a coach. Most signs point to no. Will he take the team's offensive performance against KSU as a lesson to take the limiter off Yurcich or will he go back to his ways.
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, UncleBuck said: Did I say NFL talent? Texas is ranked #5 in this years College Football Team NFL "Talent" Composite. Iowa Steak is #57. Yah, there's a big difference. Im just saying the talent differential isn’t as broad as you guys make it seem. We have bigger athletes on the defensive line & a couple of our WRs have dynamic straight line speed. I think that’s about it.
December 7, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, CastHorn said: Iowa State has just as much NFL Talent on their roster as ours. They aren’t a team of scrubs. But where they NFL projections to start outor has the ISU staff made them NFL caliber? One of, If not the, most glaring issue with this staff is players that do not develop. Yes, you will have high 4 and 5 stars that are busts but nowhere at the rate it happens here. he develops kids. Can that be said here?
December 7, 20205 yr Kubiak is the nfl name then....an aggy...but hell DKR was a sooner. Honesty, I dont hate that name as much as I thought I would...
December 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, closetohumping said: IT names: Mullen Kubiak Campbell Dykes Sark Mario Franklin Lol Gary fucking Kubiak? How exciting What a terrible list
December 7, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said: I will have to say it over and over again. "Imagine what he can do with Texas talent" is an excuse line and does not mean shit. The same was said about Herman and he lost to SMU with superior talent at Houston. Campbell lost to the Raging Cajuns and Oklahoma State that is a paper giant! So stop with imagine what they can do with Texas talent. If they lose with superior talent to lesser talent with their current roster during their best year they will lose to inferior talent at Texas. Final year before moving on to NC job: Saban - Only lost to ranked talent in his last year. Purdue which was ranked lower than his team had Drew Brees Urban - Did not lose Mack Brown - Only lost to higher ranked Florida State So you want a coach that's never lost to a team with inferior talent? Then your list is no one. Games all have a win/loss probability. Crazy things happen that lead to upsets. The point is that those odds get much better with UT talent, so a 7-2 ISU team becomes an 8-1 or 9-0 UT team. In other words, a playoff team. Saban was 34-24 at Michigan St. and they are a stronger program than ISU. Urban was 8-5 his last year at Florida. Is Louisiana a bad loss? Of course. But they're actually ranked this year. Ok St definitely has more talent in terms of recruiting rankings. The difference is that Herman played cupcakes every single week at UH, not the weekly competition of a P5 conference, so it was a much bigger transition. Campbell is already doing it in our conference against the exact same opponents. Now, I would like to see Campbell maintain his success without Purdy but that's not an option for us.
December 7, 20205 yr 39 minutes ago, pops said: Fuck it. Just let the team be player coached. It does not make a shit anymore. Isn't that what Herman did this year?
December 7, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Nuthn2CHere said: This is a real question, I'm not a troll, and I understand many will shit on me for even asking. I'll start by saying that it's clear to me that Herman is not a *bad* coach. He obviously does not perform up to our standards and seems like a pompous ass who rubs many fans, admin. and BMDs the wrong way, but he is an above average college coach. My personal view of college football over the past 15 years, and even more so over the past decade, is that there are 1-5 truly elite college coaches who can predictably and systematically win at the highest levels. Then there are a bunch of coaches who, whether because they don't have truly elite talent, or get outcoached sometimes but not most of the time, lose 2-5 games every year. This is totally variable from year to year, but generally these are coaches that win more than they lose to varying degrees. Herman is obviously one of those coaches. Can someone who knows more about recruiting tell me why we should buy out Herman, pay another probably very comparable coach as much or more to come here, only to continue to lose a similar number of games year to year? Having missed on Urban, why is it out of the question to simply ride with Herman, who is at least winning (more than we could say about Strong)? I gather it's to save and re-invigorate recruiting, but I don't see evidence that there is someone out there who will keep Bama and Clemson and especially tOSU from taking the best recruits out of Texas for the foreseeable future. It really seems like missing out on Urban means we are back at Herman being our best option, which at least means winning twice as many games as we lose until someone else emerges as a truly elite option. Getting rid of him because we hate his personality and because he isn't one of the best 5 coaches in the country, when none of those dudes is available, seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face, but I honestly don't know enough about the damage to recruiting that this approach would do in the medium and long term. Someone please enlighten me. I'd add a tier of coaches between Saban/Meyer/Dabo and Herman. There's the Mack Brown tier that consistently loses to the first tier coaches, but generally beats everyone else. Herman isn't in that group so why waste more time with him. If we're going to fail with a coach, it's best to do it quickly and move on as soon as possible to try and find one of the guys that is in that first or second tier.
December 7, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, El Hornarino said: Which side of the line is Hugh Freeze on? Jesus's?
December 7, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said: Isn't that what Herman did this year? Feels that way at times
December 7, 20205 yr Author 1 minute ago, bad_teammate said: Kubiak is tanned, rested, and ready. Hasn't he been in Minnesota? You won't get tan there. Per IT, Kubiak would land either Ewers or Manning
December 7, 20205 yr Just now, closetohumping said: Hasn't he been in Minnesota? You won't get tan there. Per IT, Kubiak would land either Ewers or Manning Ohhh god, no he wouldn't.
December 7, 20205 yr Urban said no because of health so let's go get the guy who has similar health issues.
December 7, 20205 yr I'm stepping back for a couple of years if we do not get Urban. The others on the list are eye rollers, ready to give us the same shit we have seen from the last two misses. Its honestly been nice in my backyard on Saturdays, not paying LHF, not having to get hotels all season, etc... Im getting to be fairly apathetic to this whole shit show.
December 7, 20205 yr Ok I don't know shit about NFL coaches (I don't watch NFL anymore) and only thing I know about Kubiak is that he held the clipboard for Elway. What's the scuttlebutt regarding him?
December 7, 20205 yr Author 2 minutes ago, The Beast said: Ohhh god, no he wouldn't. Peyton would give him the endorsement. Arch did have us in his top 5
December 7, 20205 yr Just now, closetohumping said: Peyton would give him the endorsement. Arch did have us in his top 5 chef's kiss
December 7, 20205 yr Kubiak is interesting - though I assume thats the name @closetojumping referred to as 'cancer'.
December 7, 20205 yr I wonder if Kubiak would try installing his pro-style offense? Either way it wouldn’t necessarily be an inspiring hire to put it mildly.
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