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A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

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#24101
40 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

DOJ prosecutors have said they slready have enough evidence to charge Trump with obstruction. 

But they are going to charge him with everything related, and there are at least two other crimes under consideration.

And, enough to charge is not the same as enough to convict.  But I think they're damned close.

You can't do this piecemeal.  That's a Durham-type move.

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#24102
But they are going to charge him with everything related, and there are at least two other crimes under consideration.
And, enough to charge is not the same as enough to convict.  But I think they're damned close.
You can't do this piecemeal.  That's a Durham-type move.

We can’t do it at all. That’s a “functioning Republic”-type move. And we aren’t that.
#24103
10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


We can’t do it at all. That’s a “functioning Republic”-type move. And we aren’t that.

If we were at a point where GarlandCo declined prosecution on this and 1/6, I might agree.  Or worse, did some namby-pamby shit like let the FBI Director announce the decision. But we're not there yet.

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

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#24106
11 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

DOJ Prosecutors Have Evidence To Charge Trump With Obstruction In Mar-A-Lago Case—But Still Unclear If They Will, Report Says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/10/19/doj-prosecutors-have-evidence-to-charge-trump-with-obstruction-in-mar-a-lago-case-but-still-unclear-if-they-will-report-says/amp/

 

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggghhhh!

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#24107

he still won’t get it.

he wouldn’t have done shit for israel if he saw it playing out this way. 

also 27% seems high. 

#24108
14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

As I have predicted, rumors are swirling that Trump wants to "settle" the Mar A Lago dispute.  https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/19/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-second-search/index.html

He's feeling the heat, losing his attempts to be dilatory, so, true to plan tendency (there's never a plan with this asshole) he's going to try to "settle."  Except crimes don't work that way, Donald.

Of course it works that way. Black guy with pot “settles” for 25 years to avoid life, white ex president who incited an insurrection and stole nuclear secrets “settles” for a fine and community service shaking hands at mar-a-lago. Remember that old Chapelle's Show sketch? 

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#24109
8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

he still won’t get it.

he wouldn’t have done shit for israel if he saw it playing out this way. 

also 27% seems high. 

And the fact that TFG doesn't recognize that American Jews for the most part care far more about issues that actually affect their day to day lives and their children's futures than whether the U.S. embassy to Israel is located in Tel Aviv or 30 miles away in Jerusalem says everything about his complete lack of understanding of anyone apart from himself.  Aside from also being antisemitic itself, assuming that everyone who's Jewish only cares about Israel to the exclusion of everything else.

#24110

When is he giving his dna sample ?

I can’t wait for his story to change : he had consensual sex in that changing room !

she came onto me !

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#24111
1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

When is he giving his dna sample ?

I can’t wait for his story to change : he had consensual sex in that changing room !

she came onto me !

"DNA? Never met it. Never even heard of it."

#24112
20 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Yeah, I mean he hugged a flag. It's obvious that he loves America.

Hugged it?  He damn near Freedom Kissed it!

#24113
1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

"DNA? Never met it. Never even heard of it."

"What about the double helix, Mr. Trump?"
 

"Who?  Never had one, I don't even drink.  Who's got some pills?"  

#24114
13 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

he still won’t get it.

he wouldn’t have done shit for israel if he saw it playing out this way. 

also 27% seems high. 

I don’t know. I think he did it more to please his evangelical Christian base than American Jews. Plus he had Jared in his ear who was always willing to do uncle Bibi’s bidding, a guy who like Trump is also a far-right asshole who hated Barack Obama. Plus Netanyahu knows how to manipulate Trump too, just drop a few compliments about his strength and leadership and you can get whatever you want.

#24115
13 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t know. I think he did it more to please his evangelical Christian base than American Jews. Plus he had Jared in his ear who was always willing to do uncle Bibi’s bidding, a guy who like Trump is also a far-right asshole who hated Barack Obama. Plus Netanyahu knows how to manipulate Trump too, just drop a few compliments about his strength and leadership and you can get whatever you want.

People like Trump and evangelicals still dislike Jews, but the whole fundamentalist eschatology requires the continued existence of Israel, so that's what that's all about.  Plus, dirty Jews in the Middle East are still better than dirty Ay-rabs.

#24116
1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

People like Trump and evangelicals still dislike Jews, but the whole fundamentalist eschatology requires the continued existence of Israel, so that's what that's all about.  Plus, dirty Jews in the Middle East are still better than dirty Ay-rabs.

Yep. They need the Jews to rebuild the Temple so Jesus can return and send them all to Hell. 

#24117
1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

"DNA? Never met it. Never even heard of it."

I’m not 100% convinced that if left unedited, he wouldn’t type the term D&A. 

#24120
2 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Don't that Saudis have some yellow cake we can use as an excuse to invade?

If only Colin Powell was still alive to speak at the UN.

YARN | I got some yellow cake right here! | Chappelle's Show ...

#24122

Anybody else curious why two such high-powered Saudi elites are holding a sensitive meeting at the corner booth of Fernando's Hideaway?  

#24124
2 hours ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Don't that Saudis have some yellow cake we can use as an excuse to invade?

If only Colin Powell was still alive to speak at the UN.

<sigh>

First, Powell never mentioned yellowcake in his UN speech.

Second, George Tenet is still around. He’s the one who said the intelligence was a “slam dunk.” There’s a reason Powell made Tenet sit behind him at the UN.

Third, the speech was produced in Dick Cheney’s office and provided to Powell just four days before his scheduled address. His staff at State told him that a lot of the intelligence was questionable. He was in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20 and he has since said he should’ve resigned. But the CIA Director said it was a slam dunk and the President wanted him to go make the case for war. In the end he was a good soldier and followed orders. He got used because he’s a credible and respected source and it turned out to be the low point of his career. But Bush, Cheney, Tenet, and others deserve a lot more blame than he does.

I wish the tired old trope of blaming Powell for the UN speech would die. Like I said, he got used. They weren’t his lies. He was just made to read them. And he later went on to endorse both Obama and Clinton because he’d seen firsthand what had become of the Republican Party.

Finally, nothing in Powell’s speech was an excuse to invade. We were always going to invade. We would’ve invaded if Powell hadn’t given his speech. That was just used as cover. We would’ve invaded even if 9/11 had never happened. That was just an excuse. The invasion of Iraq was discussed at Dubya’s first cabinet meeting. It was inevitable.

#24125
1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

<sigh>

First, Powell never mentioned yellowcake in his UN speech.

Second, George Tenet is still around. He’s the one who said the intelligence was a “slam dunk.” There’s a reason Powell made Tenet sit behind him at the UN.

Third, the speech was produced in Dick Cheney’s office and provided to Powell just four days before his scheduled address. His staff at State told him that a lot of the intelligence was questionable. He was in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20 and he has since said he should’ve resigned. But the CIA Director said it was a slam dunk and the President wanted him to go make the case for war. In the end he was a good soldier and followed orders. He got used because he’s a credible and respected source and it turned out to be the low point of his career. But Bush, Cheney, Tenet, and others deserve a lot more blame than he does.

I wish the tired old trope of blaming Powell for the UN speech would die. Like I said, he got used. They weren’t his lies. He was just made to read them. And he later went on to endorse both Obama and Clinton because he’d seen firsthand what had become of the Republican Party.

Finally, nothing in Powell’s speech was an excuse to invade. We were always going to invade. We would’ve invaded if Powell hadn’t given his speech. That was just used as cover. We would’ve invaded even if 9/11 had never happened. That was just an excuse. The invasion of Iraq was discussed at Dubya’s first cabinet meeting. It was inevitable.

You're saying they set up the black guy? Does George Tenet have Bellmont on his resume? Circa 2013-2014 maybe?

#24127
2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:


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Not sure how to classify the Starr dog and pony show but I don’t think it was a civil case

#24128
18 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you be compelled to give DNA in a civil case?

It’s the power of Trump that compels you!!!

#24129
7 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

<sigh>

First, Powell never mentioned yellowcake in his UN speech.

Second, George Tenet is still around. He’s the one who said the intelligence was a “slam dunk.” There’s a reason Powell made Tenet sit behind him at the UN.

Third, the speech was produced in Dick Cheney’s office and provided to Powell just four days before his scheduled address. His staff at State told him that a lot of the intelligence was questionable. He was in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20 and he has since said he should’ve resigned. But the CIA Director said it was a slam dunk and the President wanted him to go make the case for war. In the end he was a good soldier and followed orders. He got used because he’s a credible and respected source and it turned out to be the low point of his career. But Bush, Cheney, Tenet, and others deserve a lot more blame than he does.

I wish the tired old trope of blaming Powell for the UN speech would die. Like I said, he got used. They weren’t his lies. He was just made to read them. And he later went on to endorse both Obama and Clinton because he’d seen firsthand what had become of the Republican Party.

Finally, nothing in Powell’s speech was an excuse to invade. We were always going to invade. We would’ve invaded if Powell hadn’t given his speech. That was just used as cover. We would’ve invaded even if 9/11 had never happened. That was just an excuse. The invasion of Iraq was discussed at Dubya’s first cabinet meeting. It was inevitable.

I agree with you that Tenet, Cheney, etc all were beating the drums of war before 911 and that just ramped everything up. I disagree that Powell was a naive good soldier though. You don't get to where he did by being that politically naive. He knew the reason they wanted him was for the credibility factor. If his staff said the intelligence was suspect, he knew what he was doing.

#24130
15 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You're saying they set up the black guy?

It’s hard not to wonder if that wasn’t part of it. And I know that the core insiders in the Bush/Cheney administration were a bunch of white guys. Powell and his deputy Dick Armitage used to complain that State was often kept out of the loop. But it’s also true that Powell had a distinguished reputation and made for a convincing messenger. Imagine Bush up there reading that speech. Powell had a lot more gravitas. And, I suppose, to a certain extent he was expendable. 

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#24132
On 10/18/2022 at 9:32 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Having been a Republican years ago, it will never stop being embarrassing.

I've done plenty of stupid shit that will embarrass me to my last day, but thankfully being a Republican was never one of them.

#24133
3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you be compelled to give DNA in a civil case?

Possibly. Texas R Civ P provides a mechanism to compel a physical examination based on relevance. Not sure whether NY has a similar provision but I imagine it does. 
 

Whether a DNA test to ID Trump as possible assailant falls within the rule is an interesting question. 

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#24134

Well, I assume people are compelled to provide dna in paternity suits all the time. Maybe there isn’t a contempt threat with it, but your refusal would be strong evidence of a match.

#24135
1 hour ago, Grade of D as in David said:

I agree with you that Tenet, Cheney, etc all were beating the drums of war before 911 and that just ramped everything up. I disagree that Powell was a naive good soldier though. You don't get to where he did by being that politically naive. He knew the reason they wanted him was for the credibility factor. If his staff said the intelligence was suspect, he knew what he was doing.

He wasn’t naive but he wasn’t malevolent either. He’s said his job was to give the President his best advice behind close doors and then to go out and enact the President’s policy. I don’t think he should be judged by his worst day. The problem started at the top.

Of course, he also used a private email server and advised Hillary about using one of her own. But no one cared when he did it.

#24136
16 hours ago, Bama Chick said:


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I think he interrupted an appearance by Hillary to say this. It's his darkest moment as president.

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Can someone be compelled to give DNA evidence?

I don't know.

Is it compulsion if you play Ivanka's best whispery voice over a speaker and show a picture of her where her nipples are evident beneath her clothing?

Then you just subpoena Trump's pants.

 

 

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#24138

So there they were in Maralago after the long drive in the U-Haul from Washington DC. Eric and Don Jr. were dutifully carrying in the boxes from the White House. Ivanka and Jared were helping Melania open the boxes and put things away.

"Very hectic moving out," says Melania. "Very disorganization."

Eric takes a red outlined envelope and starts chewing on it.

"Eric, that's not a hot dog!" barks Ivanka. Eric sadly slinks away looking for a hot dog.

"What is top secret?" asks Melania as she wipes the saliva off the envelope. 

Jared twitches and scratches an itch beneath the armor plate he wears over his suit. "Mom-"

"Never call me that!" shouts Melania, her angry eyes barely visible through their slits.

"Sorry. These top secret envelopes are old. We were just re-using them to reduce waste. I'll just gather them up and put them in my briefcase. They have very innocent papers that I want to show the Saudis."

"Thank you,, Jared. You are so helpful."

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#24140
2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

To the highest bidder.  Jared and his Saudi buds come to mind.

#24141
10 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell sold those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

Fixed for accuracy (maybe, who knows).

#24142
21 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

 

He probably already did. Remember the loan?

 

Also, is there any doubt the recent OPEC shenanigans are designed to drive up gas prices and help doTARd get re-elected?

 

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#24143

Cue Trump stating in the coming hours that "there were no Chinese or Iranian secrets; I only had secrets on these other countries".

 

 

#24144
47 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

So there they were in Maralago after the long drive in the U-Haul from Washington DC. Eric and Don Jr. were dutifully carrying in the boxes from the White House. Ivanka and Jared were helping Melania open the boxes and put things away.

"Very hectic moving out," says Melania. "Very disorganization."

Eric takes a red outlined envelope and starts chewing on it.

"Eric, that's not a hot dog!" barks Ivanka. Eric sadly slinks away looking for a hot dog.

"What is top secret?" asks Melania as she wipes the saliva off the envelope. 

Jared twitches and scratches an itch beneath the armor plate he wears over his suit. "Mom-"

"Never call me that!" shouts Melania, her angry eyes barely visible through their slits.

"Sorry. These top secret envelopes are old. We were just re-using them to reduce waste. I'll just gather them up and put them in my briefcase. They have very innocent papers that I want to show the Saudis."

"Thank you,, Jared. You are so helpful."

Worst Penthouse Forum letter ever...

#24145
19 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Worst Penthouse Forum letter ever...

 

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I think he interrupted an appearance by Hillary to say this. It's his darkest moment as president.

Edit to add:

I don't know.

Is it compulsion if you play Ivanka's best whispery voice over a speaker and show a picture of her where her nipples are evident beneath her clothing?

Then you just subpoena Trump's pants.

 

 

^This one wasn't bad though.  Shitty ending, however.

#24146
1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

To curry favor with Israel to be helpful to him running for POTUS in 2024?

#24147
1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Then you just subpoena Trump's pants.

I think the nation would be better off if Trump's subpoenas remained in his pants.

#24148

Remember when a young kid (his name was Kalief Browder, rest in power) was thrown into Riker's on allegations he stole a backpack, held without trial for three years, and then committed suicide? 

Dotard's probably strolling the links at MAL right now, a free man despite mountains of highly incriminating evidence of multiple crimes and coverups.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

#24149

After President Trump blew a deadline in the Mar-a-Lago documents case, the special master called him out and gave him to the close of business today to remedy the delinquency.

Per an earlier order from the special master, U.S District Judge Raymond Dearie for the Eastern District of New York, both sides had to file by Thursday a list of unresolved disputes between them over a subset of the records seized by the FBI in its August raid.

The Justice Department filed its own rundown of the disputed documents in a timely fashion, but Trump attorney Jim Trusty seemed to unilaterally give himself four extra days to file. In a brief letter Thursday night, Trusty disputed claims that the DOJ had made about what documents that Trump wants shielded from the investigation, and added that Trump would file its full response on Monday.

Dearie wasn’t having it with the blown deadline and self-appointed new deadline. In a Friday order, Dearie said that Trump’s filings were now “untimely” and that he needed to submit his position by close of business on Friday.

 

Dearie’s chambers told TPM that close of business would be 6 p.m. on Friday.

Trump asked U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon for the Southern District of Florida to appoint Dearie as special master, apparently believing that his role in signing off on the Carter Page FISA warrant would pre-position him against the government.

Instead, Dearie has tried to force Trump to back up his claims with evidence. That has culminated in attorneys for the former President trying to ignore the special master.

The letters are intended to lay out what records each side believes are privileged, and for what reason. The DOJ said on Thursday that Trump was making over-the-top claims about what records were subject to executive privilege, what documents were personal records, and what records were, somehow, both.

#24150

I'm fucking pissed that he even gets until today to do it. Goddammit, he already blew the deadline! 

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