July 13, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said: This is kin to the Chris Simms horizontal -1 yard pass to Roy Williams Ah, the Greg Davis deep pass. OU fell for it every time.
July 14, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: Do you even John Childs bro! He shoulda been quarterback.
July 14, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Daichee Bell said: He shoulda been quarterback. Everybody knows that Chiles oughta starts.
July 14, 20214 yr Never gets old. This is kin to the Chris Simms horizontal -1 yard pass to Roy Williams And that pass resulted in 6 points a few times!!Kinda
July 14, 20214 yr Never gets old. This is kin to the Chris Simms horizontal -1 yard pass to Roy Williams Shipley was basically unguardable in the slot, but when I watch old games of the good Roy, he’s clearly the best receiver in Texas history. He sometimes did house passes to the flat.He was handicapped by conservative playcalling, QB controversies, and Vince Young growing pains.
July 14, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, Eskimohorn said: The neo-Soviet architecture blends in well with the nondescript landscape. Thank God for EERC but the rest of the engineering area looks like this at Texas. Was not great studying architectural engineering there. Larry Speck was right all along.
July 14, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Zeus said: Thank God for EERC but the rest of the engineering area looks like this at Texas. Was not great studying architectural engineering there. Larry Speck was right all along. EERC is admittedly a good looking building but even the off-campus "hip" area with a Hopdoddy is like a Las Vegas version of Austin Spoiler Edited July 14, 20214 yr by Eggo
July 14, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, Eskimohorn said: Shipley was basically unguardable in the slot, but when I watch old games of the good Roy, he’s clearly the best receiver in Texas history. He sometimes did house passes to the flat. He was handicapped by conservative playcalling, QB controversies, and Vince Young growing pains. I'll take the guy who showed up in big games vs the guy who padded stats outside of big games.
July 14, 20214 yr On 7/10/2021 at 6:29 PM, Barbacoa said: 8-4 with a good bowl win would be ok in my book, if we are looking like a much improved team at the end of the year. New staffs have growing pains and so do new QBs. This is pretty much where I’m at. I can give a fuck about the record tbh. I just wanna improve throughout the season and be ready to skull fuck in 2022
July 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said: I'll take the guy who showed up in big games vs the guy who padded stats outside of big games. Shipley was on better teams for sure. Roy had some of his best games in "big" games.. Bowl game vs LSU, Bowl game vs Wash, Colorado, A&M, Arkansas.. Can't go wrong with either one.
July 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said: I'll take the guy who showed up in big games vs the guy who padded stats outside of big games. remember the time Roys fr. ur when he dropped the game winning Td in the end zone to lose the Holiday Bowl? I do
July 14, 20214 yr On 7/10/2021 at 7:42 PM, ousux said: Something tells me everyone who feels 8-4 is acceptable in July will feel differently in December..especially if that one extra loss was a very winnable game. Having expectations based around W-L record has never worked for me. It depends on how we win and how we lose. 2007 team won 10 games but we could’ve (and probably should’ve) easily lost like 6 games that season.
July 14, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: I'll take the guy who showed up in big games vs the guy who padded stats outside of big games. Go back to OU tapes and the Bama title game and tell me Ship didn't show up in big games.
July 14, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said: Go back to OU tapes and the Bama title game and tell me Ship didn't show up in big games. Um…my sentence advocated for Shipley over Williams.
July 14, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Um…my sentence advocated for Shipley over Williams. Yeah, that's how I read it. Someone else can help me out, but one of the only big games that I can recall off the top of my head in which Roy showed up was the game at Nebraska in 2002. Chris Simms was nails, but Roy also had a huge day. Roy also had some nice stats against aggy in a couple games, but I'm not sure I'd call those big games given that aggy was on a downward slide at the time.
July 14, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Um…my sentence advocated for Shipley over Williams. My bad. I completely agree with you then haha Edited July 14, 20214 yr by MuellerHorn
July 14, 20214 yr Jordan Shipley got to play his entire Texas career with the most accurate Texas QB of all time in Colt out of the slot in a spread O that created huge mismatches for him. Roy played on the outside with Simms and Chance Mock/Freshman VY while GDGD was still running his shitty pro style O. If Roy had been on one of those VY teams running the ZR spread he would have put up ridiculous numbers.
July 14, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, elguapo said: Jordan Shipley got to play his entire Texas career with the most accurate Texas QB of all time in Colt out of the slot in a spread O that created huge mismatches for him. Roy played on the outside with Simms and Chance Mock/Freshman VY while GDGD was still running his shitty pro style O. If Roy had been on one of those VY teams running the ZR spread he would have put up ridiculous numbers. But he didn’t so moot point. Roy still disappeared in big games. Plus Jordan also contributed greatly on special teams.
July 14, 20214 yr My fondest memories of Roy Williams are of him disappearing against OU and dropping critical passes. I don't have anything personal against him, that's just what stands out in my mind from that time period in general. He still was a great player and may have been the best athlete we've ever had at that position. We've had far better football players at that position. I would take a Jordan Shipley, Quan Cosby, or even a properly used Devin Duvernay over him any day.
July 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said: My fondest memories of Roy Williams are of him disappearing against OU and dropping critical passes. I don't have anything personal against him, that's just what stands out in my mind from that time period in general. He still was a great player and may have been the best athlete we've ever had at that position. We've had far better football players at that position. I would take a Jordan Shipley, Quan Cosby, or even a properly used Devin Duvernay over him any day. That LSU Bowl game 'though.....seriously, that was such a fun game and he played fantastic and I drank enough to sedate a fucking hippo.
July 14, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said: My fondest memories of Roy Williams are of him disappearing against OU and dropping critical passes. I don't have anything personal against him, that's just what stands out in my mind from that time period in general. He still was a great player and may have been the best athlete we've ever had at that position. We've had far better football players at that position. I would take a Jordan Shipley, Quan Cosby, or even a properly used Devin Duvernay over him any day. The entire team disappeared against OU in those games because our coaching staff didn't have them ready to play. I'm not sure how you can compare Roy to Shipley/Quan who got to play in a spread O with Colt against defenses that hadn't adjusted to that style yet. They were all phenomenal players at Texas, but Roy is easily the most talented WR we've had since I've been following Texas football. Edited July 14, 20214 yr by elguapo
July 14, 20214 yr Time is not being kind to Roy. He broke basically every Texas receiving record and then went 7th overall.
July 14, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, elguapo said: The entire team disappeared against OU in those games because our coaching staff didn't have them ready to play. I'm not sure how you can compare Roy to Shipley/Quan who got to play in a spread O with Colt against defenses that hadn't adjusted to that style yet. They were all phenomenal players at Texas, but Roy is easily the most talented WR we've had since I've been following Texas football. That's exactly what I said in my previous statement. He was the best athlete we've ever had at that position. And like I said before, I prefer superior football players over superior athletes. The WR position goes beyond pure athleticism and talent.
July 14, 20214 yr That LSU Bowl game 'though.....seriously, that was such a fun game and he played fantastic and I drank enough to sedate a fucking hippo.He had enough talent to have replicated the LSU game a dozen times in his career. Given better coaches, Roy would’ve been in the Heisman discussion.
July 14, 20214 yr Just now, USNALonghorn said: That's exactly what I said in my previous statement. He was the best athlete we've ever had at that position. And like I said before, I prefer superior football players over superior athletes. The WR position goes beyond pure athleticism and talent. WR production is very dependent on scheme and QB. Roy didn't get to play in the WR friendly O that Shipley/Quan did and still put up better numbers than them over his career. I guess you could argue that since Shipley and Quan showed up in big games they are "superior football players", but I'd argue that had more to do with QB play and scheme.
July 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, elguapo said: while GDGD was still running his shitty pro style O. greg davis is one of the most statistically elite offensive coordinators in the history of the game. nice try, though.
July 14, 20214 yr Just now, futureman said: greg davis is one of the most statistically elite offensive coordinators in the history of the game. nice try, though.
July 14, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, C-Man said: He had enough talent to have replicated the LSU game a dozen times in his career. Given better coaches, Roy would’ve been in the Heisman discussion. Yep. It was criminal at times how he was overlooked and the offense unable to get him the ball. Last I heard we was collaborating with BJ on a line of vodka.
July 14, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, elguapo said: WR production is very dependent on scheme and QB. Roy didn't get to play in the WR friendly O that Shipley/Quan did and still put up better numbers than them over his career. I guess you could argue that since Shipley and Quan showed up in big games they are "superior football players", but I'd argue that had more to do with QB play and scheme. Think of the Tech game and the production Mike Williams had that fateful night. That could/should of been Roy every other game.
July 14, 20214 yr Just now, elguapo said: WR production is very dependent on scheme and QB. Roy didn't get to play in the WR friendly O that Shipley/Quan did and still put up better numbers than them over his career. I guess you could argue that since Shipley and Quan showed up in big games they are "superior football players", but I'd argue that had more to do with QB play and scheme. You tend to fixate on the type of offense we ran at the time. Yes, it helped inflate Jordan Shipley's and Quan Cosby's stats, but that doesn't take away from their individual attributes and skills at the WR position. One could ague what Devin Duvernay did was nothing short of spectacular, despite playing for Herman and Mehringer. That's not the focus of the comparison. We can rate Roy vs the three guys I mentioned and Roy would be a clear number one in almost all of the athleticism categories. He would also be in the bottom half in the skill and physicality/toughness category. Athleticism: Speed: Roy Williams (Duvernay is only .03 slower in the 40) Agility: Roy Williams by far Jump Height: Roy Williams by far Spatial Awareness: toss up between RW and DD (can't find a quantifiable way to measure that) Strength: Duvernay by a significant margin (Maybe Cosby, too. Couldn't find any of his lifts) Football Skill and Toughness: Catch Reliability: Duvernay/Shipley/Cosby over RW all day Route Running: Shipley/Cosby over RW Physicality: Duvernay/Cosby over RW easily Blocking: no real statistics, based on the physicality, I prefer Duvernay/Cosby I'm not trying to change you mind here and I would love to have Roy on our roster today. But if I had the choice of all four players compared above, I would not pick Roy first or second because I value football skills over pure talent.
July 14, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, BabaYaga said: Think of the Tech game and the production Mike Williams had that fateful night. That could/should of been Roy every other game. That sort of was Roy every other game.
July 14, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said: You tend to fixate on the type of offense we ran at the time. Yes, it helped inflate Jordan Shipley's and Quan Cosby's stats, but that doesn't take away from their individual attributes and skills at the WR position. One could ague what Devin Duvernay did was nothing short of spectacular, despite playing for Herman and Mehringer. That's not the focus of the comparison. We can rate Roy vs the three guys I mentioned and Roy would be a clear number one in almost all of the athleticism categories. He would also be in the bottom half in the skill and physicality/toughness category. Athleticism: Speed: Roy Williams (Duvernay is only .03 slower in the 40) Agility: Roy Williams by far Jump Height: Roy Williams by far Spatial Awareness: toss up between RW and DD (can't find a quantifiable way to measure that) Strength: Duvernay by a significant margin (Maybe Cosby, too. Couldn't find any of his lifts) Football Skill and Toughness: Catch Reliability: Duvernay/Shipley/Cosby over RW all day Route Running: Shipley/Cosby over RW Physicality: Duvernay/Cosby over RW easily Blocking: no real statistics, based on the physicality, I prefer Duvernay/Cosby I'm not trying to change you mind here and I would love to have Roy on our roster today. But if I had the choice of all four players compared above, I would not pick Roy first or second because I value football skills over pure talent. The reason I fixate on the type of O each player operated in is because if Roy got to play in the WR friendly spread with Colt at QB then we wouldn't even be having this debate. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusions regarding route running/physicality/blocking but I strongly disagree.
July 14, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, elguapo said: The reason I fixate on the type of O each player operated in is because if Roy got to play in the WR friendly spread with Colt at QB then we wouldn't even be having this debate. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusions regarding route running/physicality/blocking but I strongly disagree. Source for toughness/physicality: hightlight/lowlight reels on YouTube. Agree to disagree. Edited July 14, 20214 yr by USNALonghorn
July 14, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said: You tend to fixate on the type of offense we ran at the time. Yes, it helped inflate Jordan Shipley's and Quan Cosby's stats, but that doesn't take away from their individual attributes and skills at the WR position. One could ague what Devin Duvernay did was nothing short of spectacular, despite playing for Herman and Mehringer. That's not the focus of the comparison. We can rate Roy vs the three guys I mentioned and Roy would be a clear number one in almost all of the athleticism categories. He would also be in the bottom half in the skill and physicality/toughness category. Athleticism: Speed: Roy Williams (Duvernay is only .03 slower in the 40) Agility: Roy Williams by far Jump Height: Roy Williams by far Spatial Awareness: toss up between RW and DD (can't find a quantifiable way to measure that) Strength: Duvernay by a significant margin (Maybe Cosby, too. Couldn't find any of his lifts) Football Skill and Toughness: Catch Reliability: Duvernay/Shipley/Cosby over RW all day Route Running: Shipley/Cosby over RW Physicality: Duvernay/Cosby over RW easily Blocking: no real statistics, based on the physicality, I prefer Duvernay/Cosby I'm not trying to change you mind here and I would love to have Roy on our roster today. But if I had the choice of all four players compared above, I would not pick Roy first or second because I value football skills over pure talent. What dafuq? Did I dream it in my head that Roy Williams dragged Okie Lite or somebody's entire defense into the endzone one time? EDIT: lulz see @elguapo's clip above Edited July 14, 20214 yr by Bevo14
July 14, 20214 yr Eric and Justin We previously reported Ben Davis might miss a significant portion of camp. He broke a toe in multiple places from what we’ve heard but he’s ahead of schedule and might be available for the start of camp. He’s expected to be out of his walking boot in two weeks. Players report on August 5th and there’s a good chance he’ll at least be a partial participant. Clearly this would be big news. Davis is a need on the field and he’s also a key member of the enforcement arm for new regime culture. Head coach Steve Sarkisian may add more tomorrow at UT’s Big 12 media days. As we’ve chronicled, Texas players are organizing workouts and 7 on 7 sessions multiple times a week. While nothing is official on depth chart, current rotations do provide a skeleton of what the chart currently looks like. WR1: Marcus Washington, Jordan Whittington, Josh Moore WR2: Troy Omeire, Xavier Worthy, Kelvontay Dixon Right about…. NOW you‘re making the same observation we did. The WR2 group has more gamebreaking upside than WR1. It’ll be incumbent on Andre Coleman to get the most out of the WR2s ASAP as they represent more playmaking ability than the first group. There will be some good August camp battles. Texas should be able to throw ball all over the field with this group.
July 14, 20214 yr ……. We can rate Roy vs the three guys I mentioned and Roy would be a clear number one in almost all of the athleticism categories. He would also be in the bottom half in the skill and physicality/toughness category.
July 14, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, BabaYaga said: Think of the Tech game and the production Mike Williams had that fateful night. That could/should of been Roy every other game. Malcolm Williams?
July 14, 20214 yr 51 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said: We can rate Roy vs the three guys I mentioned and Roy would be a clear number one in almost all of the athleticism categories. He would also be in the bottom half in the skill and physicality/toughness category. Athleticism: Speed: Roy Williams (Duvernay is only .03 slower in the 40) Agility: Roy Williams by far Jump Height: Roy Williams by far Spatial Awareness: toss up between RW and DD (can't find a quantifiable way to measure that) Strength: Duvernay by a significant margin (Maybe Cosby, too. Couldn't find any of his lifts) from an athletic perspective Roy Williams was truly a freak (using combine info) slightly faster 40 yard (4.36 vs 4.39) vs Duverney longer vertical jump (39.5 vs 35.5) faster 3 cone (6.75 vs 7.13) faster 20 yard shuttle (3.97 vs 4.2) all while being taller and heavier than DD. it's incredible.
July 14, 20214 yr from an athletic perspective Roy Williams was truly a freak (using combine info) slightly faster 40 yard (4.36 vs 4.39) vs Duverney longer vertical jump (39.5 vs 35.5) faster 3 cone (6.75 vs 7.13) faster 20 yard shuttle (3.97 vs 4.2) all while being taller and heavier than DD. it's incredible. It is. Duvernay was built more like a running back. 5-11 / 200lbs / 600+lb squat Ran through defenders and arm tackles (Grant Delpit would know). His insane catch reliability really separated him from the rest. I'm not sure how he didn't even get an invite to the Biletnikoff finals.
July 14, 20214 yr Popular Post 47 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Eric and Justin We previously reported Ben Davis might miss a significant portion of camp. He broke a toe in multiple places from what we’ve heard but he’s ahead of schedule and might be available for the start of camp. He’s expected to be out of his walking boot in two weeks. Players report on August 5th and there’s a good chance he’ll at least be a partial participant. Clearly this would be big news. Davis is a need on the field and he’s also a key member of the enforcement arm for new regime culture. Head coach Steve Sarkisian may add more tomorrow at UT’s Big 12 media days. As we’ve chronicled, Texas players are organizing workouts and 7 on 7 sessions multiple times a week. While nothing is official on depth chart, current rotations do provide a skeleton of what the chart currently looks like. WR1: Marcus Washington, Jordan Whittington, Josh Moore WR2: Troy Omeire, Xavier Worthy, Kelvontay Dixon Right about…. NOW you‘re making the same observation we did. The WR2 group has more gamebreaking upside than WR1. It’ll be incumbent on Andre Coleman to get the most out of the WR2s ASAP as they represent more playmaking ability than the first group. There will be some good August camp battles. Texas should be able to throw ball all over the field with this group. I’m quoting this for no real reason, other than to hopefully get the conversation turned to 2021 Texas Football and current players and coaches.
July 14, 20214 yr On 7/12/2021 at 11:34 AM, Fud said: Odds of winning each game per ESPN's updated FPI vs Louisiana: 89.1% @ Arkansas: 70.6% vs Rice: 98.0% vs Tech: 83.5% @ TCU: 57.7% vs OU: 28.2% vs OSU: 71.7% @ Baylor: 73.3% @ ISU: 42.7% vs Kansas: 98.1% @ WVU: 68.6% vs KSU: 91.9% I can get on board with this.
July 14, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, Sock Monkey said: I can get on board with this. on board with losing two games? unacceptable.
July 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said: WR1: Marcus Washington, Jordan Whittington, Josh Moore. WR2: Troy Omeire, Xavier Worthy, Kelvontay Dixon Right about…. NOW you‘re making the same observation we did. The WR2 group has more gamebreaking upside than WR1. It’ll be incumbent on Andre Coleman to get the most out of the WR2s ASAP as they represent more playmaking ability than the first group. There will be some good August camp battles. Texas should be able to throw ball all over the field with this group. I like having a bunch of speed and quickness early in camp for WR2 group -- hope the WR2's get a ton of reps against the 1's on defense.
July 14, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, BabaYaga said: Think of the Tech game and the production Mike Williams had that fateful night. That could/should of been Roy every other game. *could/should have
July 14, 20214 yr No one is mentioning Lil Jordan Humphrey as one of our better WRs of the 21st century. His one great season was one of the few bright spots of that group.
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