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Most of the criminal charges are behind him.... Watson and Hardin are trying to protect against 2 things now -- civil guilt or expensive settlement and a NFL suspension.  Today was simply an unforced error by Hardin.  It was a horrible mistake.

No one can really understand the Goodell wheel of justice as there's no logic to their punishments, but man..... this looks bad.  This could end up being 8 games or more.

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It might be possible that once or twice, “professional” masseuses would quickly develop romantic feelings and want to engage in consensual sexual acts. But 23+ different women in one year? C’mon Deshaun and Rusty. Either he was soliciting from masseuses that don’t offer happy endings, or he was seeking out (prostitutes) that do offer it. Either way, I think Futureman the pseudo lawyer is incorrect about the legality or that by random coincidence 23+ women offered unsolicited handjobs that they later felt harassed by and filed lawsuits. 
 

Between the scale of it and the ridiculous contract Cleveland structured for him (zero team based penalties related to these incidents no matter what comes out; $1M base salary in 2022 to minimize financial impact of suspension), I hope the NFL gets creative and medieval on the Watson and the Browns in his eventual punishment. 

6 hours ago, Helobious said:

That’s the “on slatt” hand gesture. Started out as a gang thing but got mainstream popular for a few months a couple years ago thanks to rap & tik tok. You must be old as fuck. 

Pretty sure it's the Kenny Powers smell my finger, right @Bigbend1812 ?

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Pretty sure it's the Kenny Powers smell my finger, right @Bigbend1812 ?

 

 

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That’s the stank finger.  Stank finger is older than a few years ago and fucking Tik Tack.  JFC.

22 minutes ago, Bigbend1812 said:

That’s the stank finger.  Stank finger is older than a few years ago and fucking Tik Tack.  JFC.

 

15 minutes ago, tx ind said:

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So basically @Helobioushas been proven to be full of shit, once again.  And he better stay off our lawns. If that's your pronoun

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8 hours ago, futureman said:

who says any money was exchanged for the sex act?

Tell me you’re not a lawyer without telling me you’re not a lawyer. Good luck with that defense. 
 

Here’s the sequence of events. Enter a massage parlor. Receive massage including sexual contact resulting in ejaculation. Give money.  
 

It’s like you’re arguing you only paid the escort for the conversation and the sex was coincidental. That’s not how this works 

10 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Tell me you’re not a lawyer without telling me you’re not a lawyer. Good luck with that defense. 

yeah but rusty hardin is a lawyer and he knows more about it than you do. boom roasted. 

1 hour ago, Dennis Taylor said:

 

So basically @Helobioushas been proven to be full of shit, once again.  And he better stay off our lawns. If that's your pronoun

Never heard of any of that, no way deshaun has either. 

I imagine the number of men that these 24 women have given happy endings to is way, way, way over the number one.

 

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Tell me you’re not a lawyer without telling me you’re not a lawyer. Good luck with that defense. 
 

Here’s the sequence of events. Enter a massage parlor. Receive massage including sexual contact resulting in ejaculation. Give money.  
 

It’s like you’re arguing you only paid the escort for the conversation and the sex was coincidental. That’s not how this works 

You pay them to leave. Everything else is coincidental

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Tell me you’re not a lawyer without telling me you’re not a lawyer. Good luck with that defense. 
 

Here’s the sequence of events. Enter a massage parlor. Receive massage including sexual contact resulting in ejaculation. Give money.  
 

It’s like you’re arguing you only paid the escort for the conversation and the sex was coincidental. That’s not how this works 

Works like a charm in DC, where you pay $200 for a bumper sticker and they give you the ounce of weed for free…

15 hours ago, futureman said:

if I pay for a massage and get said massage, and then the girl says “want me to finish you off?” and jerks me off into a towel, that’s not illegal. 

Not what the judge told me.

7 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s like you’re arguing you only paid the escort for the conversation and the sex was coincidental.

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On 6/4/2022 at 12:48 PM, Ignatius said:

Works like a charm in DC, where you pay $200 for a bumper sticker and they give you the ounce of weed for free…

That’s a different thing entirely. Was there a statewide referendum legalizing hand jobs, but Congress is blocking the state from regulating sales?

17 minutes ago, immamac said:

Why wouldn't he just say he paid for sex? Paying for sex isn't against the players code of conduct and actually is just as illegal to take money for the sex act as it is to pay it. 

if it was all in town and so just state crimes?  yeah, maybe.  iirc he flew some of these women in from out of state. 

 

edit: maybe that's not an issue, federal trafficking looks like it's just for minors and slavery.  though there's so many other federal crimes i'd be shocked if none are implicated.

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11 minutes ago, immamac said:

Why wouldn't he just say he paid for sex? Paying for sex isn't against the players code of conduct and actually is just as illegal to take money for the sex act as it is to pay it. 

When?  It started a small issue and then continued to snowball.  A couple of ladies come forth and his first instinct is to deny it.... all of it as he knows it'll blow up his endorsement deals.  Then, over time..... it becomes a big deal and he's locked in to his original bullshit story and is having a difficult time changing course.  And anything which makes the shield look bad is against the code of conduct, so not going to help there. 

And then you're going to what..... say, "yea I flew in girls to try and coerce them into happy endings!  And it worked..... a lot!  But not always!  The women who accepted the money are just as bad as me!"  Not sure it's smart to admit to federal felonies.

 

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

When?  It started a small issue and then continued to snowball.  A couple of ladies come forth and his first instinct is to deny it.... all of it as he knows it'll blow up his endorsement deals.  Then, over time..... it becomes a big deal and he's locked in to his original bullshit story and is having a difficult time changing course.  And anything which makes the shield look bad is against the code of conduct, so not going to help there. 

And then you're going to what..... say, "yea I flew in girls to try and coerce them into happy endings!  And it worked..... a lot!  But not always!  The women who accepted the money are just as bad as me!"  Not sure it's smart to admit to federal felonies.

 

I mean he should have just paid whores. It's not hard to pay whores to massage you then jerk you off. 

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I mean he should have just paid whores. It's not hard to pay whores to massage you then jerk you off. 

100% agree..... or fuck, just go to a club or outside the practice facility..... all sorts of jock strap groupies.  The guy is fucking weird.  He has fantasies and obviously a very specific one.  The power is what gets him excited.... this idea he's so powerful and cool that he'll get a happy ending because they're so in awe of him.  

 

 

1 hour ago, immamac said:

I mean he should have just paid whores. It's not hard to pay whores to massage you then jerk you off. 

This. If that's your proclivity, just pay a professional that actually specializes in such things and therefore has discretion.

3 hours ago, elfenix said:

if it was all in town and so just state crimes?  yeah, maybe.  iirc he flew some of these women in from out of state. 

 

edit: maybe that's not an issue, federal trafficking looks like it's just for minors and slavery.  though there's so many other federal crimes i'd be shocked if none are implicated.

It’s the Mann Act. It prohibits transporting a woman across state lines for immoral purposes. It is still valid. It does not have an illustrious history. 
https://www.history.com/news/white-slave-mann-act-jack-johnson-pardon

3 hours ago, immamac said:

I mean he should have just paid whores. It's not hard to pay whores to massage you then jerk you off. 

Our fearless leader, ladies and gentlemen. 

100% agree..... or fuck, just go to a club or outside the practice facility..... all sorts of jock strap groupies.  The guy is fucking weird.  He has fantasies and obviously a very specific one.  The power is what gets him excited.... this idea he's so powerful and cool that he'll get a happy ending because they're so in awe of him.  
 
 

All he had to do was tell his agent what he was looking for and it would have happened, all legal like, cheaper, and hidden. Same for Bob Kraft, Hugh Grant, the list is long.

I hope these women just keep coming out and keep refusing to settle. He’s a fucking pervert predator. If these are legit masseuses who don’t do happy endings he deserves his cock getting slammed in a car door. Several athletes have been incredulous he had over 40 masseuses in two or three years; they all had the same one for their careers once they found one because they need someone that knows their muscles, their usual tendencies and problems, and how to work them out.

DeShaun just so happens to carry a lot of tension in his upper inner thigh area and needs that shit worked out? What’s the problem? He’s just misunderstood.

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Alrightythen. 

11 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

 

The argument in the comments is humorous but the questions are valid.

-who the fuck jerks off standing up?

-how the hell did it get on her chest and face? Think about the physics involved with busting a nut on a person who definitely does not want that. Was he chasing her around? These stories just strike me as bizarre, every time.

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I would add “how do you masturbate non aggressively”.

47 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The argument in the comments is humorous but the questions are valid.

-who the fuck jerks off standing up?

-how the hell did it get on her chest and face? Think about the physics involved with busting a nut on a person who definitely does not want that. Was he chasing her around? These stories just strike me as bizarre, every time.

You don't watch a lot of porn, I take it. 

4 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

The argument in the comments is humorous but the questions are valid.

-who the fuck jerks off standing up?

-how the hell did it get on her chest and face? Think about the physics involved with busting a nut on a person who definitely does not want that. Was he chasing her around? These stories just strike me as bizarre, every time.

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5 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

The argument in the comments is humorous but the questions are valid.

-who the fuck jerks off standing up?

-how the hell did it get on her chest and face? Think about the physics involved with busting a nut on a person who definitely does not want that. Was he chasing her around? These stories just strike me as bizarre, every time.

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If Baker is smart (he’s not), he should wait the Browns out. I think Watson’s minimum suspension will be 8 games. Most likely the whole season given how the Browns structured his contract. 
 

I doubt the Browns will want to roll with Jacoby Brissett for an entire season. 

 

Why wouldn't he just say he paid for sex? Paying for sex isn't against the players code of conduct and actually is just as illegal to take money for the sex act as it is to pay it. 
Endorsements?
23 hours ago, Deej said:

You don't watch a lot of porn, I take it. 

lol,  had the same thought..... 

The argument in the comments is humorous but the questions are valid.
-who the fuck jerks off standing up?
-how the hell did it get on her chest and face? Think about the physics involved with busting a nut on a person who definitely does not want that. Was he chasing her around? These stories just strike me as bizarre, every time.
Deshaun got that Lex Steele/Peter North skeet game.
On 6/6/2022 at 11:48 AM, Pam Cummings said:

-who the fuck jerks off standing up?

100% of the people with dicks.

Seriously, every boyfriend you've ever had has defiled your shower at least once.

Not sorry for partying.

IMO the Browns should get themselves a SurlyHorns username and roll with some of y’all’s “the first 23 women were all liars, so, why not #24?” approach.

I can’t believe a guy that exposes himself and gives women unwanted facials would lie about it. The Browns are fucking morons. 

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34 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

I can’t believe a guy that exposes himself and gives women unwanted facials would lie about it. The Browns are fucking morons. 

The NFL should force Cleveland to pay his guaranteed money. They wanted to take the risk. That's fine. Now pay up morons. 

27 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

The NFL should force Cleveland to pay his guaranteed money. They wanted to take the risk. That's fine. Now pay up morons. 

I hope the NFL gets creative with its punishment. The way the Browns structured that contract to help Watson avoid a big financial penalty from suspension was obscene. 

42 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

I hope the NFL gets creative with its punishment. The way the Browns structured that contract to help Watson avoid a big financial penalty from suspension was obscene. 

have to believe you offer that sort of contract with the willingness to accept a 1-year suspension. the question is can you separate the playing penalty from the the financial one

 

5 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

NY Times - Texans Enabled Jizz Massages

Jesus Christ, if this somehow forced the McNairs to sell the team, it would be worth giving back every single one of the draft picks Cleveland forked over...

66 different massage therapists in 17 months. is there any functioning adult that would see someone doing this and not think, "this shit ain't right"

1 hour ago, Poe It Up said:

I can’t believe a guy that exposes himself and gives women unwanted facials would lie about it. The Browns are fucking morons

 

66 different massage therapists in 17 months. is there any functioning adult that would see someone doing this and not think, "this shit ain't right"
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