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16 minutes ago, WBT said:

He's arguing that they aren't doping the ball to prevent wp and hpb.  They're doping it to get more break on their breaking balls and more rise on their fastballs.  And to be able to let it go at 100% effort and still hit the black.  Maybe if the k rate got to 50% everyone would acknowledge that it's a problem?

That’s not what’s being argued here. Everyone knows that’s been happening and that’s precisely why MLB is cracking down.
 

I argued that MLB screwed up by not in the past developing and enforcing a sensible policy on foreign substances in view of common practice for decades and which would prohibit the usage of the kinds of substances that have cropped up in the past few years specifically intended to create a substantial competitive advantage.  The kind of substances which have the capability of turning a pitcher with average stuff into a pitcher with elite stuff. This argument was apparently 100% wrong for reasons that have yet to be elucidated itt. 

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No substances but rosin is sensible 

All-Star starters in the link. 

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Who would have bet on this guy getting voted in? 

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11 hours ago, Starfleet Command said:

That’s not what’s being argued here. Everyone knows that’s been happening and that’s precisely why MLB is cracking down.
 

I argued that MLB screwed up by not in the past developing and enforcing a sensible policy on foreign substances in view of common practice for decades and which would prohibit the usage of the kinds of substances that have cropped up in the past few years specifically intended to create a substantial competitive advantage.  The kind of substances which have the capability of turning a pitcher with average stuff into a pitcher with elite stuff. This argument was apparently 100% wrong for reasons that have yet to be elucidated itt. 

They did develop a sensible policy. It's in the rules and everything. Previous enforcement is a valid concern but you're in this thread defending the pitchers who are upset now that MLB is actually enforcing the rules, so you can see the credibility issue with your logic.

Your argument is basically "the problem is you've never enforced the rules so you can't enforce the rules."

12 hours ago, WBT said:

He's arguing that they aren't doping the ball to prevent wp and hpb.  They're doping it to get more break on their breaking balls and more rise on their fastballs.  And to be able to let it go at 100% effort and still hit the black.  Maybe if the k rate got to 50% everyone would acknowledge that it's a problem?

For the millionth time, it’s currently beyond human capability to get a fastball (thrown overhand) to rise.

3 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

JBJ with a badass bit of guile against the pirates:

 

 

By the end of the season, the 2021 Pirates blooper reel is gonna last 25 minutes. 

4 minutes ago, TornACL said:

By the end of the season, the 2021 Pirates blooper reel is gonna last 25 minutes. 

2021 is just one long extended spring training for those guys.

58 minutes ago, Helobious said:

For the millionth time, it’s currently beyond human capability to get a fastball (thrown overhand) to rise.

No shit?

17 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

Miggy for sure.

yep

btw he's only 81 hits short of 3000

2 hours ago, TornACL said:

By the end of the season, the 2021 Pirates blooper reel is gonna last 25 minutes. 

Sheeeit.  I expect it to be shown on America's Funniest Home Videos.  

So what you're saying is there is a Bauer Outage

Dave Roberts and the Dodgers organization must be so relieved they didn't have to do the right thing first.

7 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

They did develop a sensible policy. It's in the rules and everything. Previous enforcement is a valid concern but you're in this thread defending the pitchers who are upset now that MLB is actually enforcing the rules, so you can see the credibility issue with your logic.

Your argument is basically "the problem is you've never enforced the rules so you can't enforce the rules."

No, my argument is that the players have reason to gripe about MLB mid-season announcing that they will be suspending players caught using substances that have been used nearly universally by pitchers for decades because some players began recently using other substances for a different purpose and which, if adopted more widely throughout the league, could accelerate (if it hadn't already) the decline in offense and BIPs that MLB is concerned about.  Now pitchers overnight are having to adjust their grip/mechanics to adjust and which Glasnow claims is responsible for his injury. 

 

If they wanted to begin enforcing the rules they should have warned the players that they would begin policing the rule (including issuing suspensions) before spring training when pitchers would have more time to adjust.  I think it's also silly to suspend players for using the older, more common substances that MLB doesn't care about and which has nothing to due with the current crackdown.  I really don't even fault the players for pushing the boundaries in view of MLB's lack of enforcement.  This isn't your kid's little league team - their livelihoods depend on providing value to their organizations and so of course they are going to push the limits when there is no serious enforcement.  It's not a surprise at all that as soon as teams/players figured out how meaningful spin is to performance players began enhancing it with foreign substances like Spider Tack.

 

 

5 hours ago, Gourmand said:

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He also may never hit .300 in a full season again.  It's wild how Altuve has so transformed himself from an empty batting average slap-hitter into a guy who walks and slugs home runs.  Can't imagine there are many players that like that.

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Did not know Parra was still employed. 

He also may never hit .300 in a full season again.  It's wild how Altuve has so transformed himself from an empty batting average slap-hitter into a guy who walks and slugs home runs.  Can't imagine there are many players that like that.
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3 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

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lol I was outside in the garage sanding some bathroom cabinets. 

pocket surl. 

8 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

lol I was outside in the garage sanding some bathroom cabinets. 

pocket surl. 

I assumed you had a stroke

2 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I assumed you had a stroke

not yet, give it a few years

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Dude. Calm. Down. 

cross post from Shohei thread. 


2 dingers tonight, and it's only the 5th inning

Fucking crazy.

30 HRs before the break. Nuts.

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13 hours ago, TornACL said:

By the end of the season, the 2021 Pirates blooper reel is gonna last 25 minutes. 

It's already there

I like how the A’s and Angels are like inverse teams. Angels have probably the two greatest talents the game has seen in decades but has zero depth, while the A’s have few legit star players but have depth to spare. The success of each team goes to show what is more important in this sport 

Nice tag by the catcher, too.
Great play all around, quintessential baseball dramatics. Hernandez executed a perfect somersault seed to home plate.

Walkoff homers are cool and all but game-changing, bang-bang outfield assists where the outfielder makes a great throw and catcher gets down a perfect tag are just as enjoyable.

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Kyle Schwarber to the IL with a significant hamstring injury.

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24 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Bryce just took Yu deep. 

Really deep.  BH now has 14 homers, all solo.

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