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4 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I kinda hope we see Texas move forward with this effort, because I think the Republicans will fuck it up and not gain the 5 seats as promised. Trump won't be on the ballot in 26, and lots of independents don't like this version of him. I think the Rs may be putting other seats in jeopardy that they assume are safe, and this could lead to a some upheaval in the state reps currently in power. It wouldn't be the worst thing if that happened even if the numbers slightly change. 

More importantly, this nakedly obvious illegal and unethical power grab will give several blue states the motivation and reason to do the same, in a way that will be a huge net positive for the Dems seats in Congress. They have to fight fire with fire, and if they actually believe their warnings of "losing democracy forever" are true, then they need to occupy every seat possible to prevent it. California can definitely squeeze a few Rs out of power, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, etc could all pick up a few more seats. If they all do it, it would result in a seismic shift that could prevent the House from turning red for another decade.

The only reason Mike Johnson is even in power is because so many red and purple states have already done what Texas is threatening. So fuck them, fuck playing fair and doing the right thing, moral victories are for losers. Go win the damn thing and start blocking the dumb shit this administration spews out. Fight dirty, fight clean, whatever it takes, just actually fucking fight it. 

This.  If the GOP does this, and the counter by D states sees the Rs go down - which is a real possibility - that may have some positive knock on effects.  Maybe then we will see bipartisan support for non-partisan map drawing boards and other common sense voter empowerment laws.  

LOL.HAHHAHA.

Man, I crack myself up. 

 

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Just now, Chad Fuck said:

This.  If the GOP does this, and the counter by D states sees the Rs go down - which is a real possibility - that may have some positive knock on effects.  Maybe then we will see bipartisan support for non-partisan map drawing boards and other common sense voter empowerment laws.  

LOL.HAHHAHA.

Man, I crack myself up. 

 

Yeah the only way that happens, and it absolutely should happen, is if Congress passes a new Voting Rights act and SCOTUS upholds it. Not happening for quite some time, so in the mean time they gotta play the game. I think there are a lot more seats to be gained by Dems in Blue states than what the Rs can squeeze out of their states. 

35 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yeah the only way that happens, and it absolutely should happen, is if Congress passes a new Voting Rights act and SCOTUS upholds it. Not happening for quite some time, so in the mean time they gotta play the game. I think there are a lot more seats to be gained by Dems in Blue states than what the Rs can squeeze out of their states. 

nevermind that the last voting rights act was declared null and void because racism had been solved, according to Roberts.

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

nevermind that the last voting rights act was declared null and void because racism had been solved, according to Roberts.

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The Texas House of Representatives voted on Monday to compel more than 50 Democratic Party lawmakers to return to the body in order to vote on a highly controversial redistricting effort to try and net the national Republican Party 5 more seats in Congress. The House officially empowered Texas state troopers and the House’s sergeant-at-arms to track down the members and arrest them, but they would not face any kind of charges under the order.

House Speaker Dustin Burrows (R) announced he would sign the arrest warrants after the vote on Monday, which are only valid inside Texas’s border – making them purely symbolic as the lawmakers have all fled the state.  Democrats are trying to delay the vote by not allowing the GOP-controlled body to have a quorum — a minimum number of members present in order to conduct official business.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) also ordered the Texas Department of Public Safety to arrest the absent Democrats.

“Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans by fleeing the state, Texas House Democrats are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief. There are consequences for dereliction of duty,” Abbott’s office said in a statement, adding:

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/just-in-texas-issues-arrest-warrants-for-democratic-lawmakers-who-fled-to-avoid-redistricting-vote/

4 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I kinda hope we see Texas move forward with this effort, because I think the Republicans will fuck it up and not gain the 5 seats as promised. Trump won't be on the ballot in 26, and lots of independents don't like this version of him. I think the Rs may be putting other seats in jeopardy that they assume are safe, and this could lead to a some upheaval in the state reps currently in power. It wouldn't be the worst thing if that happened even if the numbers slightly change. 

More importantly, this nakedly obvious illegal and unethical power grab will give several blue states the motivation and reason to do the same, in a way that will be a huge net positive for the Dems seats in Congress. They have to fight fire with fire, and if they actually believe their warnings of "losing democracy forever" are true, then they need to occupy every seat possible to prevent it. California can definitely squeeze a few Rs out of power, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, etc could all pick up a few more seats. If they all do it, it would result in a seismic shift that could prevent the House from turning red for another decade.

The only reason Mike Johnson is even in power is because so many red and purple states have already done what Texas is threatening. So fuck them, fuck playing fair and doing the right thing, moral victories are for losers. Go win the damn thing and start blocking the dumb shit this administration spews out. Fight dirty, fight clean, whatever it takes, just actually fucking fight it. 

Kill it to save it. Hmmmm....  

32 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The Texas House of Representatives voted on Monday to compel more than 50 Democratic Party lawmakers to return to the body in order to vote on a highly controversial redistricting effort to try and net the national Republican Party 5 more seats in Congress. The House officially empowered Texas state troopers and the House’s sergeant-at-arms to track down the members and arrest them, but they would not face any kind of charges under the order.

House Speaker Dustin Burrows (R) announced he would sign the arrest warrants after the vote on Monday, which are only valid inside Texas’s border – making them purely symbolic as the lawmakers have all fled the state.  Democrats are trying to delay the vote by not allowing the GOP-controlled body to have a quorum — a minimum number of members present in order to conduct official business.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) also ordered the Texas Department of Public Safety to arrest the absent Democrats.

“Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans by fleeing the state, Texas House Democrats are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief. There are consequences for dereliction of duty,” Abbott’s office said in a statement, adding:

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/just-in-texas-issues-arrest-warrants-for-democratic-lawmakers-who-fled-to-avoid-redistricting-vote/

If I were a House Democrat, I would call the press, go to New Mexico and stand right at the state line while occasionally putting my foot across the line and "Nanny-nanny boo-boo, come and get me Greg-O."

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1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

If I were a House Democrat, I would call the press, go to New Mexico and stand right at the state line while occasionally putting my foot across the line and "Nanny-nanny boo-boo, come and get me Greg-O."

They should go one better.  Stand there armed, rifle pointed at the fucking cowards of DPS, and say "I wish a motherfucker would.  Hey, just pretend I'm a school shooter in Uvalde and run the other way."  You'll either get red-faced rage, or piss stains on their bloused pants.  Either way is a win.

Cowards.  We have a state governed of, by, and for cowards.  NOT of, by, and for Texas and Texans.  Change the fucking colors.  The GQP no longer deserves red.  Just give em yellow.  Fuck, make it a particular shade called "Uvalde yellow."

49 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The Texas House of Representatives voted on Monday to compel more than 50 Democratic Party lawmakers to return to the body in order to vote on a highly controversial redistricting effort to try and net the national Republican Party 5 more seats in Congress. The House officially empowered Texas state troopers and the House’s sergeant-at-arms to track down the members and arrest them, but they would not face any kind of charges under the order.

House Speaker Dustin Burrows (R) announced he would sign the arrest warrants after the vote on Monday, which are only valid inside Texas’s border – making them purely symbolic as the lawmakers have all fled the state.  Democrats are trying to delay the vote by not allowing the GOP-controlled body to have a quorum — a minimum number of members present in order to conduct official business.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) also ordered the Texas Department of Public Safety to arrest the absent Democrats.

“Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans by fleeing the state, Texas House Democrats are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief. There are consequences for dereliction of duty,” Abbott’s office said in a statement, adding:

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/just-in-texas-issues-arrest-warrants-for-democratic-lawmakers-who-fled-to-avoid-redistricting-vote/

uhhh, yeah.... no, there are not.

16 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

If I were a House Democrat, I would call the press, go to New Mexico and stand right at the state line while occasionally putting my foot across the line and "Nanny-nanny boo-boo, come and get me Greg-O."

While smoking a fatty. 

51 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Democrats are trying to delay the vote by not allowing the GOP-controlled body to have a quorum — a minimum number of members present in order to conduct official business.

Was this vote not official business?

 

52 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The Texas House of Representatives voted on Monday to compel more than 50 Democratic Party lawmakers to return to the body

 

7 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yeah the only way that happens, and it absolutely should happen, is if Congress passes a new Voting Rights act and SCOTUS upholds it. Not happening for quite some time, so in the mean time they gotta play the game. I think there are a lot more seats to be gained by Dems in Blue states than what the Rs can squeeze out of their states. 

Most blue states have independent commissions. Most red states and many purple states do not. If the commissions went away, the Dems would net a bunch of seats.

Everyone is talking about California, but I think eliminating the commission in CA requires a ballot measure because it was enacted by ballot measure and a change in the state constitution. It's not a given that the voters will repeal it, since it's the kind of thing only partisan Dems would vote for.

The few Dem states that do gerrymander (NY, IL, MD) will need to go hard to the paint, as will the few more that have commissions set up by laws that can be repealed by the legislature. I don't think CA is the way.

I am sure it is very surprising to you, they dont give a fuck about children dying. Rich, poor, name a color, they dont care. What they care about more than anything is power. They also created and defend the mechanism for their removal. Someday the masses will realize it. If we voted for our interests as a whole, this would be over. Most vote out of spite and not for their livelihood.  

39 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

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Don't be surprised when ICE starts acting on behalf of Texas in the name of "Law and Order" to abduct and deliver some of these reps to Austin...

On 8/3/2025 at 10:20 PM, A-Tex Devil said:

So what is the latest they can pass redistricting and still get on the ballot for 2026?

Delaware and Massachusetts have their primaries on September 15, 2026. In 2012 the Texas primaries were moved from their normal early March date to May because of a challenge to the new map drawn after the '10 census. The SC, on 1/20/12, gave guidance to the District Court in S.A. on how to redraw the map. I can't find the date the D.C. released the map, but lets's say it took a month. That puts the release of the map about 3 months before the primary. Assuming for this discussion (because I don't want to go look up the applicable law, which I'm guessing I could've done for all of this rather than recapping 2012) that Sept. 15 is the latest a state can hold a primary, that would put a dealine for finalizing a map in early June.

Dems are unlikely to hold out for that long, and Abbott is unlikely to let his authority be disrespected into next year.

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They shouldn’t be. But they are.

Ghosts of the kids from Uvalde out front shoulda toldja.
3 hours ago, berlinerbaer said:

Most blue states have independent commissions. Most red states and many purple states do not. If the commissions went away, the Dems would net a bunch of seats.

Everyone is talking about California, but I think eliminating the commission in CA requires a ballot measure because it was enacted by ballot measure and a change in the state constitution. It's not a given that the voters will repeal it, since it's the kind of thing only partisan Dems would vote for.

The few Dem states that do gerrymander (NY, IL, MD) will need to go hard to the paint, as will the few more that have commissions set up by laws that can be repealed by the legislature. I don't think CA is the way.

NY has an independent commission as well. However, the Assembly can override, but if they do, they face the courts. Hochul wants to change the constitution to do away with the commission.

Abbott is playing games with America's democracy. It's a very bad path that we could go down if Texas, CA, NY, etc start fully rigging the districts to produce a result. Yes this has always happened to some extent but it was kept in check by the courts to stay somewhat reasonable.

We could very well see a scenario where these states change their districts but then Trump physically denies the CA/NY Dems from taking their congressional seats in early '27 because he will call them fake congressmen. He will definitely threaten to do so.

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Abbott is playing games with America's democracy. It's a very bad path that we could go down if Texas, CA, NY, etc start fully rigging the districts to produce a result. Yes this has always happened to some extent but it was kept in check by the courts to stay somewhat reasonable.

We could very well see a scenario where these states change their districts but then Trump physically denies the CA/NY Dems from taking their congressional seats in early '27 because he will call them fake congressmen. He will definitely threaten to do so.

What more people need to realize is that the Rule of Law, and the norms and "unwritten rules" that underlie it, are simply a gentleman's agreement.  That's it.  People follow the law and the rules because as a broad society, we realized and agreed that it would be better for us all if we all did so.

There have always been outliers.  We call them "criminals," and they are typically a relatively small subset of society, and the bulk of society follows the agreed set of rules and punishes those outliers.

What you are seeing now is when a significant portion of society, including an entire political party that has a great deal of power, opts out of that gentlemen's agreement.  It's a classic philosophical dilemma.  Many of us want to preserve the integrity of the game, but you can only do so if you WIN the game, and when the other side has opted out of following the rules, it's nearly impossible to win without also cheating, which destroys the integrity of the game.

Imagine that late, vicious hits on the quarterback are banned by both rule and general practice.  Then, we play OU, and on the very first play, they send the house and destroy Arch Manning with multiple vicious, illegal hits.  And the refs do nothing about it.  They then do the same thing to our backup QB.  And the next backup QB.  So, when OU gets the ball....should Texas continue to play by the rules, or should it level the playing field by also destroying OU's entire QB corps?  This is where we are.

The rules of the game have changed.  There's no going back.  Play to win.  Give no quarter.  At this point, the smart move is also to kneecap their kicker and stomp on their RBs' knees until they snap when they go down.

 

"gentleman's agreement"

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33 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Abbott is playing games with America's democracy. It's a very bad path that we could go down if Texas, CA, NY, etc start fully rigging the districts to produce a result. Yes this has always happened to some extent but it was kept in check by the courts to stay somewhat reasonable.

We could very well see a scenario where these states change their districts but then Trump physically denies the CA/NY Dems from taking their congressional seats in early '27 because he will call them fake congressmen. He will definitely threaten to do so.

What's more likely is SCOTUS will stay their gerrymanders while letting the gerrymanders in Texas and other red states take effect, without any explanation for any of the decisions. 

22 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I kinda hope we see Texas move forward with this effort, because I think the Republicans will fuck it up and not gain the 5 seats as promised. Trump won't be on the ballot in 26, and lots of independents don't like this version of him. I think the Rs may be putting other seats in jeopardy that they assume are safe, and this could lead to a some upheaval in the state reps currently in power. It wouldn't be the worst thing if that happened even if the numbers slightly change. 

More importantly, this nakedly obvious illegal and unethical power grab will give several blue states the motivation and reason to do the same, in a way that will be a huge net positive for the Dems seats in Congress. They have to fight fire with fire, and if they actually believe their warnings of "losing democracy forever" are true, then they need to occupy every seat possible to prevent it. California can definitely squeeze a few Rs out of power, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, etc could all pick up a few more seats. If they all do it, it would result in a seismic shift that could prevent the House from turning red for another decade.

The only reason Mike Johnson is even in power is because so many red and purple states have already done what Texas is threatening. So fuck them, fuck playing fair and doing the right thing, moral victories are for losers. Go win the damn thing and start blocking the dumb shit this administration spews out. Fight dirty, fight clean, whatever it takes, just actually fucking fight it. 

There is zero chance the Texas dems are able to stop this bullshit. None whatsoever. "Indpendents," especially in red states, care more about Mexicans and trans people than unconstitutional power grabs. That was proven in 2024, unequivocally. There is nothing a republican can do that would make them think "you know what maybe we should give the dems a chance." We crossed that threshold a long time ago and they still vote straight line republican or third party whackjobs that help republicans. They fall for the "woke" label and literally think democrats are evil. Nothing will change their minds if what has happened over the last decade has them still "on the fence." 

13 hours ago, berlinerbaer said:

Most blue states have independent commissions. Most red states and many purple states do not. If the commissions went away, the Dems would net a bunch of seats.

Everyone is talking about California, but I think eliminating the commission in CA requires a ballot measure because it was enacted by ballot measure and a change in the state constitution. It's not a given that the voters will repeal it, since it's the kind of thing only partisan Dems would vote for.

The few Dem states that do gerrymander (NY, IL, MD) will need to go hard to the paint, as will the few more that have commissions set up by laws that can be repealed by the legislature. I don't think CA is the way.

Fuck the law, that's the trend of the day. Newsome should push it through tomorrow. All the eastern California maga fucks can be lumped in with big city liberals and lose every seat they currently have. Make it happen, now.

A better approach for CA is to lump all of the existing republican representatives into a single fucked up looking congressional district. Make them fight for the 1 red seat thunderdome style.

You also reduce the chance of an incumbent republican going against a new democrat even though it might be a 10+ dem district.

12 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:


They shouldn’t be. But they are.

Ghosts of the kids from Uvalde out front shoulda toldja.

And like Uvalde, Kerr County will still vote for Abbott.  Amazing.

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20 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

And like Uvalde, Kerr County will still vote for Abbott.  Amazing.

Not just that.  He will GAIN votes.  Because, while there were surely government failures there......they were all the fault of Obummer and Biden and those Communists, and besides, I heard on Fox that there was a trans kid on the JV volleyball team in Beaver Tail, Minnesota, and WOKE!

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Texas House Democrats are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief. There are consequences for dereliction of duty,” Abbott’s office said in a statement, adding:

 Texas House Republicans are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief by insisting that the first thing taken up is out of state political concerns. 

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2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

 Texas House Republicans are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief by insisting that the first thing taken up is out of state political concerns. 

Correct.  

"Texas Republicans put sucking Donald Trump's dick first, and put serving the people of Texas last.  That's all you need to know."  That's all that the Dems should be saying.

 

 

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The chances are 100% that Trump will look to use federal agents (fbi, ice, us marshals) to deliver the Texas dems back to the Capitol. He will love to trigger the Dems to see their politicians in zip tie handcuffs and perhaps black bags over their heads.

even if a court ultimately said that the feds exceeded their power, who cares if that ruling comes down after the fact.

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Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The chances are 100% that Trump will look to use federal agents (fbi, ice, us marshals) to deliver the Texas dems back to the Capitol. He will love to trigger the Dems to see their politicians in zip tie handcuffs and perhaps black bags over their heads.

even if a court ultimately said that the feds exceeded their power, who cares if that ruling comes down after the fact.

That's why they for dead-certain real need to go into actual hiding.  And that starts with ditching all existing cell phones and devices.  Get them burner phones.  Start acting like you are the resistance to a gestapo police state.  Because that's exactly what you are.

15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That's why they for dead-certain real need to go into actual hiding.  And that starts with ditching all existing cell phones and devices.  Get them burner phones.  Start acting like you are the resistance to a gestapo police state.  Because that's exactly what you are.

this.

i assume there's also some lawfare (outside of Texas) they could try since this is related to federal elections, like a restraining order from an indigenous mutiracial nonbinary genderqueer Biden appointee

1 hour ago, fuggled said:

 

Thank God they're the party of state's rights. Surely that mean that they wouldn't even contemplate doing something like that!

It’d be funny if Trump ordered the FBI to arrest them and the FBI just refused. That’s the one federal law enforcement organization that has plenty of reason to hate Trump.

48 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It’d be funny if Trump ordered the FBI to arrest them and the FBI just refused. That’s the one federal law enforcement organization that has plenty of reason to hate Trump.

You haven't been paying enough attention.  They will probably just send in ICE to do the job.  They hired authoritarian losers for a reason.  

 

3 hours ago, fuggled said:

 

this is the type of stuff that libertarians love to see, right @DalTxHornFan?

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

this is the type of stuff that libertarians love to see, right @DalTxHornFan?

Seems like a dumb and futile move, actually.

Seems like a dumb and futile move, actually.

Okay, so you’re critical of the Democrat response to a situation.

Just to clarify, how do you feel about the actual situation that prompted that response? Do you think Texas should redraw congressional districts before the 2026 midterms?

So are we going to live in a state where the governor can just pick and choose what representatives get to stay in office and unilaterally remove those who oppose?

 

 

On 8/4/2025 at 4:15 PM, InkaUtexas said:

The Texas House of Representatives voted on Monday to compel more than 50 Democratic Party lawmakers to return to the body in order to vote on a highly controversial redistricting effort to try and net the national Republican Party 5 more seats in Congress. The House officially empowered Texas state troopers and the House’s sergeant-at-arms to track down the members and arrest them, but they would not face any kind of charges under the order.

House Speaker Dustin Burrows (R) announced he would sign the arrest warrants after the vote on Monday, which are only valid inside Texas’s border – making them purely symbolic as the lawmakers have all fled the state.  Democrats are trying to delay the vote by not allowing the GOP-controlled body to have a quorum — a minimum number of members present in order to conduct official business.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) also ordered the Texas Department of Public Safety to arrest the absent Democrats.

“Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans by fleeing the state, Texas House Democrats are holding hostage critical legislation to aid flood victims and advance property tax relief. There are consequences for dereliction of duty,” Abbott’s office said in a statement, adding:

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/just-in-texas-issues-arrest-warrants-for-democratic-lawmakers-who-fled-to-avoid-redistricting-vote/

 

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1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Seems like a dumb and futile move, actually.

Just lay back and enjoy it. 
             —Clayton Williams

15 minutes ago, CTC2 said:
42 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:


Okay, so you’re critical of the Democrat response to a situation.

Just to clarify, how do you feel about the actual situation that prompted that response? Do you think Texas should redraw congressional districts before the 2026 midterms?

Just lay back and enjoy it. 
             —Clayton Williams

You both misunderstood my comment.  I think that it is dumb and futile to get the FBI involved in a state issue.

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So say I live in Massachusetts and wanted to offer my guest room to a traveler in need, would any of you know whom I should contact?

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