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5 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

As long as it's got "murder" in the ruling the city will be ok.  The city will burn over Manslaughter just as much as it will on Not-Guilty.

Agreed, but don't rule out burning over the sentencing that will follow. Sentencing guidelines in Minn. recommend 12.5 per offense. If he only gets convicted on 1 charge that's not going to be enough.  Minnesota has a long ways to go.

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Third-Degree Murder - The prosecution will need to prove to the jury that Chauvin acted with reckless indifference to human life by placing his knee on the neck of Floyd for several minutes, despite Floyd continuously stating that he could not breathe.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/making-sense-chaos/202104/what-are-the-charges-derek-chauvin-is-facing

This is a good write up on the charges and the applicable points to this case. If the jurors got the instructions right, then I see 3rd degree murder as a likely guilty verdict.

what is the maximum jail sentence a 3rd degree murder charge can carry in Minnesota?  

5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I feel confident of a guilty verdict. 

yup. to be found not guilty would require that every black person on that juror voted not guilty. there is no way in hell.

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3 minutes ago, B1G said:

I am betting on hung jury.

Welp, if they come back with Not-Guilty you might see that.

CNN is pissing me off -- what's the order of the charges, from least to most serious?

It wont be 3rd.  The state didn't even present evidence for 3rd.

2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

what is the maximum jail sentence a 3rd degree murder charge can carry in Minnesota?  

  • Third-Degree Murder. Third-degree murder is an unintentional killing that occurs as a result of a "depraved mind." This archaic language has led to some confusing legal analyses, but it is generally thought of as acting recklessly, with a total indifference to human life. An example would be speeding at 100 miles per hour through a school zone and unintentionally killing a student crossing at an intersection. Third-degree murder can carry a maximum sentence of 25 years.
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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

CNN is pissing me off -- what's the order of the charges, from least to most serious?

Manslaughter

Murder 3

Murder 2

I forget, are we supposed to join the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys and then pose as ANTIFA/BLM tonight in Minneapolis?  Or pretend we're Oathkeepers/Proud Boys when we join, but really we're double agents for ANTIFA/BLM.  Or be real ANTIFA posing as Proud Boys but really being undercover Qanon operators?  Or do we just show up in tac vests to help "keep the peace" either way tonight but then just disband around 10pm for Walleye and beers?  

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

CNN is pissing me off -- what's the order of the charges, from least to most serious?

2nd Murder - most serious, easiest to convict in MN

3rd Murder - next serious, highly unlikely

2nd Manslaughter - next serious

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The judge will determine whether the "aggravated" enhancement applies or not. 

1 minute ago, TexasHooch said:

Manslaughter

Murder 3

Murder 2

Thanks.  As soon as I asked, the former prosecutor laid it out as you did.

3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

what is the maximum jail sentence a 3rd degree murder charge can carry in Minnesota?  

Two weeks home detention and a strongly worded letter. Also he can only watch Disney Plus, no Netflix. That seems fair. I mean the guy was on drugs, did you forget that part?

1 minute ago, TexasHooch said:

Manslaughter

Murder 3

Murder 2

Ok. I'm not a lawyer and I am pretty stupid when it comes to this stuff.......1 guy died. How can he be charged with 2 murder charges and a manslaughter charge. Please explain this to me like I am in 1st grade 

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Just now, GreenspointTexas said:

What time is this thing kicking off? I feel like im F5’ing a recruiting commit thread

No shit.  I haven't been this nervous since 4th and 5.

9 minutes ago, B1G said:

I am betting on hung jury.

Something about your moms 

I'd stay indoors in Minneapolis tonight regardless of the verdict. 

Well yeah it’s currently 39 degrees. They’ve just barely begun to that out and there’s a cold snap this week.
1 minute ago, JBJ said:

2nd Murder - most serious, easiest to convict in MN

3rd Murder - next serious, highly unlikely

2nd Manslaughter - next serious

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The judge will determine whether the "aggravated" enhancement applies or not. 

So as you see it, conviction would most likely be 2nd Murder or 2nd Manslaughter?

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

CNN is pissing me off -- what's the order of the charges, from least to most serious?

HLN doing way better job.

Is anyone bringing up Maxine waters and her fuck up or is that not really a thing. We can't go through this a second time. Verdict needs to stand. 

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So as you see it, conviction would most likely be 2nd Murder or 2nd Manslaughter?

2nd is the easiest case / lowest bar, so most likely.

2nd Murder only requires a simple felony assault in MN and it can be the same act that caused the death.  As far as I know this is unique to MN.

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It would some tortured jury logic or outright nullification to get to Manslaughter and not Murder 2.

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CNN reporter is determined to interrupt Courtney Ross as she speaks.

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4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Two weeks home detention and a strongly worded letter. Also he can only watch Disney Plus, no Netflix. That seems fair. I mean the guy was on drugs, did you forget that part?

Hey we're not THAT scandanavian!

@immamac I tagged you in discord as well, but can we get this thread added over there for easy following?

21 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Anything less than murder 2 and Minnesota burns.

well what's left of it anyways. 

1 minute ago, JBJ said:

2nd is the easiest case / lowest bar, so most likely.

2nd Murder only requires a simple felony assault in MN and it can be the same act that caused the death.  As far as I know this is unique to MN.

So, does it follow that the only way to acquit on murder 2 is to conclude that there was no felony assault?  

I disagree with an opinion on CNN that this verdict somehow reflects America. It reflects what 12 people thought. 

A guilty verdict on Chauvin doesn't make America less racist or that our problems are solved. And a not guilty verdict does not make America worse than it was this morning. 

Personally I think that America has never been more aligned on a potential verdict for a case with such strong racial background issues. Which is progress.

1 minute ago, RexWilson said:

CNN reporter is determined to interrupt Courtney Ross as she speaks.

yeah, what the fuck is up with that guy?  I know he wants the exclusive, but she'll have plenty of time to speak with all media.  It's been 11 months of shitshows for her, give her a moment of space.  Maybe she likes the attention, who knows?  

1 minute ago, RexWilson said:

CNN reporter is determined to interrupt Courtney Ross as she speaks.

its funny that she calls her bf Floyd and not George....

Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And a not guilty verdict does not make America worse than it was this morning. 

It will definitely make Minneapolis worse than it was this morning.

Just now, TexArcher said:

So, does it follow that the only way to acquit on murder 2 is to conclude that there was no felony assault?  

Pretty much.

2 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

This shit is taking wayyyy too long

Swat team needs a little more time to fire up the tanks. To protect the property. Won’t someone please think of the property!

4 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

So, does it follow that the only way to acquit on murder 2 is to conclude that there was no felony assault?  

 

1 minute ago, JBJ said:

Pretty much.

 

Thanks.

Then he's got to be fucked.  He's just got to be.

10 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

What time is this thing kicking off? I feel like im F5’ing a recruiting commit thread

Next 10-20 mins... giving enough time for people to get out of downtown....(not really, but that's what's happening)

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

The jury didn't ask the judge even one question.  He's guilty.

Yep

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

The jury didn't ask the judge even one question.  He's guilty.

That’s huge. Seems like they were all fairly lockstep together in there. 

Just now, TexArcher said:

Thanks.

Then he's got to be fucked.  He's just got to be.

It's either Murder 2 or acquittal.

What do you say?  Riots regardless?

Just now, Rip76 said:

What do you say?  Riots regardless?

Yep

It dont make a shit

 

But I think its going to be Murder 2

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1 minute ago, Rip76 said:

What do you say?  Riots regardless?

of course

Just now, Rip76 said:

What do you say?  Riots regardless?

The riots aren't really about George Floyd or the trial.  It's just a rallying flag of sorts, so yes.

Just now, nineliveslost said:

Yep

It dont make a shit

Hope for not, but yea I don't think all those people gathered together to not destroy some stuff tonight. Celebration riots probably cost less than angry riots, so MN has that going for them which is nice.

1 minute ago, Rip76 said:

What do you say?  Riots regardless?

who's gonna start the new riot shitposting and dogwhistle thread of dominance?

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