March 29, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, UDontKnow said: Along those lines, fuck MLS for not intervening to put Atlanta FC in its place. Even NBA teams let their players loose (if the player is invited and wants to play) for Olympic qualification/Olympics. That doesn't make any sense. For as much as the MLS is in bed with US Soccer, you would think this would be a no brainer. WTF??!?!
March 29, 20214 yr Go Twellman. Post game, I could also tell that Edu and Lalas were trying not to get themselves fired.
March 29, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said: Well said from a guy from BigSoccer... I like Yueill a lot.
March 29, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said: Go Twellman. Post game, I could also tell that Edu and Lalas were trying not to get themselves fired. I cackled when Edu replied to Lalas, "Pour me up."
March 29, 20214 yr Another thing that pisses me off was how many times I heard, "The US has had 2 years to prepare for this". I'm under the impression that our full men's team today may have had an average age under the team Kreis threw out there today. That's effing pathetic. The only game we looked halfway decent in - DR - they had, I believe, 6 teenagers starting. And in that game, wasn't it close until the 60th? Bitch all you want about this game, but at no point did this team look even remotely ready to play in any of the 4 games this week. To add, I'd be interested in seeing the overall shot discrepancy minus the final 30 mins against DR.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 1 hour ago, perfectchaos007 said: Our U23 team (that just lost) is our future. wut?
March 29, 20214 yr Author 20 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said: How do you miss the olympics 3 straight times in fucking Concacaf? don't use your best players because you can't get them?
March 29, 20214 yr Author 1 hour ago, Knoxtnhorn said: Another thing that pisses me off was how many times I heard, "The US has had 2 years to prepare for this". I'm under the impression that our full men's team today may have had an average age under the team Kreis threw out there today. That's effing pathetic. splain
March 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Knoxtnhorn said: Well said from a guy from BigSoccer... Tessmann created more chances in the 15 minutes he was in than most of our attacking players.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Captain Ron said: Half of that roster could be playing on THIS team! (and if this was in cycle, 2020 not 2021, they would be!) i had not even thought of that. the u-24 eligible players that have been sold to europe in the past 12 months would decimate every team in this tournament if they had not transferred.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said: Many of our most talented U-23 players were on the pitch for that Northern Ireland friendly. Believe the logistics didn't allow for them to cross the pond and play in this tournament, unfortunately, so we had to try and make lemonade out of lemons. Logistics? You mean, like their clubs in europe don't have to release them and they would have had to have skipped 3 weeks of their club seasons? Those logistics?
March 29, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said: Logistics? You mean, like their clubs in europe don't have to release them and they would have had to have skipped 3 weeks of their club seasons? Those logistics? Yes, those logistics. Was it really that difficult to connect?
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Knoxtnhorn said: Kreis should have to hire a coyote to get back to the US. That was piss-poor roster management. you people are starting to piss me off. soccer is not like football or basketball where coaching can create capability. coaching in soccer is in the use of capability. everyone is pissed because MLS still can't produce a third-tier of players that are going to dominate concacaf. the pyramid remains inverted. it's turning, but will have to produce an order of magnitude more euro-worthy teens every year (20 -> 200) before we can deploy a "B-side" and walk through concacaf without players from europe.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Knoxtnhorn said: I wonder if Jay's got any other drinking buddies he can hire to fuck up a situation. FYI Jay Berhalter left the fed 13 months ago. re: fuck up a situation, i give up.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Knoxtnhorn said: Oh, and it may not have mattered, but F Atlanta FC for not releasing the three players we called in. That's complete horseshit. if the exhibition isn't going to mandate their release, your problem is with the exhibition.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Captain Ron said: To his fucking grave. (ochoa) repped for the herb brooks holla. but i think he looks to be a real talent and could be our #1. he will have 15 years and 4 cycles to atone. wondolowski will never get the chance to atone.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, UDontKnow said: Along those lines, fuck MLS for not intervening to put Atlanta FC in its place. Even NBA teams let their players loose (if the player is invited and wants to play) for Olympic qualification/Olympics. except...... the nba season isn't in progress during the summer olympics.
March 29, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said: except...... the nba season isn't in progress during the summer olympics. True. But we don't want to go down that rabbit hole of the MLS needing to be on the same schedule at the rest of the soccer world, do we?
March 29, 20214 yr Author 2 hours ago, Captain Ron said: fuck twellman. he was a fraud like colbi jones and milked his exhibition career after he couldn't stick in germany. "footballing nation" (world cup winners) recent missed olympics: 2016: france, italy, spain 2012: france, germany, italy 2008: france, germany, spain 2004: france, germany, spain 2000: france, germany 1996: germany 1992: france, germany 1988: france, spain 1984: spain 1980: france, italy 1976: italy 1972: france, italy, spain 1968: germany, italy 1964: france, spain 1960: germany, spain 1956: tournament decimated by boycotts 1952: i think i made my point. twellman can go fuck himself.
March 29, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said: the pyramid remains inverted. All of this. This is the truth. And the pyramid ... is a pyramid scheme. Nothing but a money grab. Edited March 29, 20214 yr by JerrysJheriCurl
March 29, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said: fuck twellman. he was a fraud like colbi jones and milked his exhibition career after he couldn't stick in germany. "footballing nation" (world cup winners) recent missed olympics: 2016: france, italy, spain 2012: france, germany, italy 2008: france, germany, spain 2004: france, germany, spain 2000: france, germany 1996: germany 1992: france, germany 1988: france, spain 1984: spain 1980: france, italy 1976: italy 1972: france, italy, spain 1968: germany, italy 1964: france, spain 1960: germany, spain 1956: tournament decimated by boycotts 1952: i think i made my point. twellman can go fuck himself. Yeah but they're in Europe where there are limited spots and it is actually hard to qualify. This is fucking CONCACAF. The only hard thing should be beating Mexico.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 32 minutes ago, UDontKnow said: True. But we don't want to go down that rabbit hole of the MLS needing to be on the same schedule at the rest of the soccer world, do we? at the first supporter's summit at mls cup '97 speaker after speaker implored steinbrecher, lamar hunt, and the anschutz team to invert the pyramid, including calendar normalization. the TOP MEN in US Soccer were told over and over and over what would happen if they did not normalize. we did get rid of the countdown clock and the overtime shootout. but we have had 25 years of botched national team madness including sending c-sides to copa america and the gold cup. what happened in this tournament is the umpteenth iteration of the stupidity of those in charge of soccer in this country, although that is slowly changing. the time is near when we will be able to tell concacaf to fuck off on all fronts, if our "leaders" choose to do what has always been in their power to do.
March 29, 20214 yr Author 17 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said: Yeah but they're in Europe where there are limited spots and it is actually hard to qualify. This is fucking CONCACAF. The only hard thing should be beating Mexico. do i need to go pull the data on which olympics mexico has played in?
March 29, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said: do i need to go pull the data on which olympics mexico has played in? The fact that Mexico isn't particularly special is my point entirely. CONCACAF should be a breeze for any self-respecting national XI. This is a pathetic joke. Any defense of it is a sign of the pathetic culture America has for soccer. Being the best is the standard we hold ourselves to in every sport we give even the slightest damn about whether it be club or national from basketball to beach volleyball. Suddenly for soccer our standard is below qualifying for the damn tournament year in and year out?
March 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said: you people are starting to piss me off. soccer is not like football or basketball where coaching can create capability. coaching in soccer is in the use of capability. everyone is pissed because MLS still can't produce a third-tier of players that are going to dominate concacaf. the pyramid remains inverted. it's turning, but will have to produce an order of magnitude more euro-worthy teens every year (20 -> 200) before we can deploy a "B-side" and walk through concacaf without players from europe. Anyone with half a brain could tell that the US was the more talented side out there today. I don't care if it's our B team C team D team whatever. It's never going to be a players or talent issue against Honduras. What clubs do the Honduran U23s play for? If our senior team is so God damn great then we should have plenty of depth to put a competent side on the field for Olympic qualifying. There were multiple guys out there today that have gotten caps for the senior NT. And yet they play the same shitty, disjointed brand of soccer and make horrendous game-sealing mistakes. Yet I'm supposed to beleive it's not a coaching issue. When it's staring us in the face. I know what a poorly coached team looks like and I know what a well coached, overachieving team looks like and this was not the latter. We continue to not put our players in a position to succeed.
March 29, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said: fuck twellman. he was a fraud like colbi jones and milked his exhibition career after he couldn't stick in germany. "footballing nation" (world cup winners) recent missed olympics: 2016: france, italy, spain 2012: france, germany, italy 2008: france, germany, spain 2004: france, germany, spain 2000: france, germany 1996: germany 1992: france, germany 1988: france, spain 1984: spain 1980: france, italy 1976: italy 1972: france, italy, spain 1968: germany, italy 1964: france, spain 1960: germany, spain 1956: tournament decimated by boycotts 1952: i think i made my point. twellman can go fuck himself. Eh, the guy is calling out the federation. Who cares that he sucked as a player? * as far a UEFA vs CONCACAF he would note UEFA is a little harder than CONCAVAF. * I means I guess we could have another thread where we list our soccer fan credentials. Edited March 29, 20214 yr by Captain Ron
March 29, 20214 yr Kreis post game comment. WTF. Players and coaches take the blame. And this preseason excuse is bullshit. They played way better in the Mexico match and he pulls this preseason shit. He starts Dotson on a bum ankle and he is ineffective. Kreis can't unlock a team. He fucking sucks. https://twitter.com/JeffreyCarlisle/status/1376331708669161472/photo/1 Edited March 29, 20214 yr by dogbreath add image
March 29, 20214 yr The pyramid is unquestionably inverting and doing so more rapidly than I expected 5-10 years ago. I have said it before but free academies at MLS and USL is about the best we can hope for. The economics of elite club soccer just don't support pyramid inversion below the professional level so depth will always be a challenge.
March 29, 20214 yr I'm looking at a Soccer By Ives article about the latest failure and I see this quote from Kreis. “We have players that are not moving, we have people on the ball that are not committing defenders to make decisions to open up spaces, we have guys that look like they just do not really want the ball,” said Kreis. “It kind of just goes back to mostly mentality for me. That is my opinion right now and I could have it wrong but at the end of the day it just was not quite there from a confidence point of view.” https://sbisoccer.com/2021/03/u-23-usmnt-left-devastated-after-tragic-failure-to-qualify-for-olympics ...and I'm thinking: "Well, who in the fuck selected this roster?" I really think that if Uly Llanez had been healthy, then that would have been enough. He would have created or gotten fouled and/or spurred his teammates on to something. Yes, there were 14 guys who played Northern Ireland on Sunday who were Olympic Qualifying eligible plus Tyler Adams & Weston McKennie who didn't even get to play, but out of the ones in the Mexico training camp, Uly would have made a difference. Also, 3 guys from Atlanta would have made a difference. Also, that Embobisse guy... it just seems like out attacking players were not fast and not creative. I don't know what the fuck they were. This was the initial 48-player Call Up. Here is the full 48-player USMNT Olympic qualifying preliminary roster: USMNT OLYMPIC QUALIFYING PRELIMINARY ROSTER GOALKEEPERS Drake Callender, Matt Freese, Jonathan Klinsmann, JT Marcinkowski, David Ochoa, Brady Scott DEFENDERS Julian Araujo, George Bello, Kyle Duncan, Marco Farfan, Justen Glad, Chris Gloster, Aaron Herrera, Aboubacar Keita, Henry Kessler, Mauricio Pineda, Donavan Pines, Bryan Reynolds, Miles Robinson, James Sands, Auston Trusty, Sam Vines MIDFIELDERS Brenden Aaronson, Efrain Alvarez, Frankie Amaya, Cole Bassett, Gianluca Busio, Caden Clark, Johnny Cardoso, Hassani Dotson, Brooks Lennon, Djordje Mihailovic, Keaton Parks, Andres Perea, Brandon Servania, Tanner Tessmann, Eryk Williamson, Jackson Yueill FORWARDS Cade Cowell, Konrad De La Fuente, Jeremy Ebobisse, Jesus Ferreira, Jonathan Lewis, Ulysses Llanez Jr., Benji Michel, Ricardo Pepi, Sebastian Saucedo, Sebastian Soto https://sbisoccer.com/2021/02/brenden-aaronson-konrad-de-la-fuente-and-bryan-reynolds-among-48-players-named-to-usmnt-olympic-qualifying-preliminary-roster
March 29, 20214 yr 28 minutes ago, Napoleon said: I'm looking at a Soccer By Ives article about the latest failure and I see this quote from Kreis. “We have players that are not moving, we have people on the ball that are not committing defenders to make decisions to open up spaces, we have guys that look like they just do not really want the ball,” said Kreis. “It kind of just goes back to mostly mentality for me. That is my opinion right now and I could have it wrong but at the end of the day it just was not quite there from a confidence point of view.” https://sbisoccer.com/2021/03/u-23-usmnt-left-devastated-after-tragic-failure-to-qualify-for-olympics ...and I'm thinking: "Well, who in the fuck selected this roster?" I really think that if Uly Llanez had been healthy, then that would have been enough. He would have created or gotten fouled and/or spurred his teammates on to something. Yes, there were 14 guys who played Northern Ireland on Sunday who were Olympic Qualifying eligible plus Tyler Adams & Weston McKennie who didn't even get to play, but out of the ones in the Mexico training camp, Uly would have made a difference. Also, 3 guys from Atlanta would have made a difference. Also, that Embobisse guy... it just seems like out attacking players were not fast and not creative. I don't know what the fuck they were. This was the initial 48-player Call Up. Here is the full 48-player USMNT Olympic qualifying preliminary roster: USMNT OLYMPIC QUALIFYING PRELIMINARY ROSTER GOALKEEPERS Drake Callender, Matt Freese, Jonathan Klinsmann, JT Marcinkowski, David Ochoa, Brady Scott DEFENDERS Julian Araujo, George Bello, Kyle Duncan, Marco Farfan, Justen Glad, Chris Gloster, Aaron Herrera, Aboubacar Keita, Henry Kessler, Mauricio Pineda, Donavan Pines, Bryan Reynolds, Miles Robinson, James Sands, Auston Trusty, Sam Vines MIDFIELDERS Brenden Aaronson, Efrain Alvarez, Frankie Amaya, Cole Bassett, Gianluca Busio, Caden Clark, Johnny Cardoso, Hassani Dotson, Brooks Lennon, Djordje Mihailovic, Keaton Parks, Andres Perea, Brandon Servania, Tanner Tessmann, Eryk Williamson, Jackson Yueill FORWARDS Cade Cowell, Konrad De La Fuente, Jeremy Ebobisse, Jesus Ferreira, Jonathan Lewis, Ulysses Llanez Jr., Benji Michel, Ricardo Pepi, Sebastian Saucedo, Sebastian Soto https://sbisoccer.com/2021/02/brenden-aaronson-konrad-de-la-fuente-and-bryan-reynolds-among-48-players-named-to-usmnt-olympic-qualifying-preliminary-roster Cole Bassett stands out as a creative CM/AM that they could have used instead of the plethora of DMs on the roster.
March 30, 20214 yr On 3/28/2021 at 10:20 PM, ztejas said: Anyone with half a brain could tell that the US was the more talented side out there today. I don't care if it's our B team C team D team whatever. It's never going to be a players or talent issue against Honduras. What clubs do the Honduran U23s play for? If our senior team is so God damn great then we should have plenty of depth to put a competent side on the field for Olympic qualifying. There were multiple guys out there today that have gotten caps for the senior NT. And yet they play the same shitty, disjointed brand of soccer and make horrendous game-sealing mistakes. Yet I'm supposed to beleive it's not a coaching issue. When it's staring us in the face. I know what a poorly coached team looks like and I know what a well coached, overachieving team looks like and this was not the latter. We continue to not put our players in a position to succeed. 100% this was a coaching failure of epic proportions. In three group games we played a solid 30 minutes total out of 270+, and that was at the tail end against the DR. There was no creativity, little movement, and no leadership. All of which falls on the coach, and why do we have to have failed American Coaches coaching these teams? Kries lucked his way into a MLS title more than 10 years ago and has been going downhill ever since. Its like watching the Frank de Bour get fired from Inter, then Crystal Palace, go to Atlanta only to shit the bed and get promoted to the Dutch Sr. team because we have to keep it all in house.
March 30, 20214 yr On 3/28/2021 at 8:07 PM, Hagbard Celine said: wut? This is the single worst part of it all. Getting stupid shit like this because dumbasses are misinformed and overreact based on social media posts.
April 5, 20214 yr Should the Tokyo Olympics be canceled because of COVID? Mike Bebernes ·Senior Editor Sun, April 4, 2021, 10:38 AM·6 min read What’s happening The torch relay for the Tokyo Olympic Games was officially kicked off in a small, socially distanced ceremony late last month. Over the course of the next 100-plus days, more than 10,000 torch bearers are expected to carry the Olympic flame across Japan in its long journey to the opening ceremony, currently scheduled for July 23. Organizers were forced to delay the 2020 Summer Games last March as the initial wave of the coronavirus was spreading around the world. Though the pandemic will almost certainly still be ongoing by July, the Japanese government and International Olympic Committee are determined to hold the Games as scheduled. Tokyo 2020, which will keep its name despite the delay, will be a very different event from the typical Olympics. Overseas spectators will not be allowed to attend, masks and temperature checks will be required, and athletes will be barred from socializing with their international competitors. Participants, however, will not be required to be vaccinated. Japan has fared better than most industrialized nations throughout the course of the pandemic. As of Friday, the country has had fewer than 10,000 COVID-related deaths. But a recent uptick in cases and a sluggish vaccine rollout that ranks worst in the developed world have led many to question the value of hosting the Games. Roughly 80 percent of Japanese citizens polled in January said they want the Olympics to be postponed again or canceled altogether. [click for whole article] https://news.yahoo.com/should-the-tokyo-olympics-be-canceled-because-of-covid-153839920.html YES!! Cancel the mother fucking Olympics! The US Boys didn't qualify, so I don't care anymore.
April 5, 20214 yr Haha, maybe cancel fútbol then, but I'm missing track and field, which is what the Olympics should be, imo. U.S. has tons of young talent in so many events, from the usual sprints and hurdles to many of the middle distances. We might see our first 800m gold medalist (aggy Donavan Brazier) since 1972 (Dave Wottle). Missing out last year absolutely sucked--these athletes have such a short window to be at their peak.
July 22, 20214 yr Mexico's kids just spanked France's kids 4-1. Brazil spanked Germany 4-2. Spain, WITH PEDRI, tied Egypt 0-0. There was a lot of opportunity for our kids to do well here and yet US Soccer fucked it up. (No thanks to Gabriel Heinze & Carlos Bocanegra.) How fucking REGARDED are they?
July 31, 20214 yr South Korea scored in the 90’ to close their gap with México to: MEX 6 : 3 S. KOR …but that was all S. Korea could do. JFC the USBNT could have done some fucking damage in Tokyo. FUCK! Jason Fucking Kreis!
July 31, 20214 yr Spain's Rafa Mir came on as a sub in stoppage time with Spain down 2-1 to Ivory Coast. He scored to send it to ET and then picked up 2 more in ET for the hat trick.
July 31, 20214 yr 46 minutes ago, WBT said: Spain's Rafa Mir came on as a sub in stoppage time with Spain down 2-1 to Ivory Coast. He scored to send it to ET and then picked up 2 more in ET for the hat trick. I would give the manager high marks for his substitutions’ impact on the outcome.
August 1, 20214 yr On 7/31/2021 at 7:55 AM, Napoleon said: South Korea scored in the 90’ to close their gap with México to: MEX 6 : 3 S. KOR …but that was all S. Korea could do. JFC the USBNT could have done some fucking damage in Tokyo. FUCK! Jason Fucking Kreis! USA’s golden generation missed the olympics IMO. There has never been this great of a talent pool in this country at that age.
August 1, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JNip said: USA’s golden generation missed the olympics IMO. There has never been this great of a talent pool in this country at that age. Is it a golden generation or is it just access to players who played in a better development system? Without DA, I think players like McKennie, Adams, Richards and multiple others would have switched to HS football. Pulisic and Reyna would have been studs based on family background. The DA's sharpened players by competing against good players in a 10 month season. There would be mid season and end of season tournaments that had a huge number of college and pro scouts to watch the tournaments. The progressive MLS teams integrated their youth players in first team practices. Just looked at Tajon Buchanon's profile and it shows he played 3 years for Real Colorado while in high school. He moved from Ontario to Denver. Had no idea who he was as a youth player, but my son played that team twice a season during those three years. My son plays for a D3 school that is known as a power with national championships, but almost every game is competitive now. The coach could recruit good players in the 90's and 00's and would outclass teams with talent and coaching. That's not true anymore as the coaching has gotten better and the depth of good players has increased. DA has gone away, but MLS youth league has taken its place. Why does LigaMX want to combine leagues with MLS? Is it better access to the mexican-american player?
August 3, 20214 yr Spain over Japan 1-0 in ET. Spain-Brazil for the gold. Mexico-Japan for the bronze.
August 3, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, WBT said: Spain over Japan 1-0 in ET. Spain-Brazil for the gold. Mexico-Japan for the bronze. . . . . . . I will be pulling for Japan to win . . . . . . . . . . . . and for all of the other teams to lose.
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