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UT's next basketball coach - discussion/debate [Sean Miller Hired]

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Gerry on NIL

Was told about 20 minutes ago that Texas is expected to see a basketball all together NIL increase into the 4.8-5 million range for next season. 

This season's roster was 3.7-3.8 million.

That increase would place Texas in the top 15 range nationally based on numbers currently

I think CDC's goal was to get a coach who would raise the floor. Then if you pair that with NIL, good assistants, and local talent, you can reach higher, and get lucky with E8 or FF every now and then. Absent a few coaches who are already at bluebloods, that's all you can ask for in mens CBB. I think I see the logic behind the hire.

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

Texas can afford that buyout, they're just smart enough to direct that money to a different place, like NIL.  

If it were modern-day John Wooden with the buyout, the story would be different. 

No "modern day Wooden" will ever exist.   It used to be that the tournament  regions were the actual regions.  No one in the West Region was any good except UCLA.  He had an annual cake walk to the Final Four, which made recruiting easy.  He was an excellent coach, but so many of those UCLA tournament wins would not have happened in today's set up. 

27 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

This is a fucking David Pierce hire if ive ever seen one

 

Miller will be fine but hes no Augie/Schloss

I'd take Pierce level results in basketball honestly 

2 minutes ago, trythisathome said:

I'd take Pierce level results in basketball honestly 

No kidding.  He made Omaha 3 years out of 6.  That's like Elite 8 half the time or something similar.

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

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3 minutes ago, Jon Bovi said:

No "modern day Wooden" will ever exist.   It used to be that the tournament  regions were the actual regions.  No one in the West Region was any good except UCLA.  He had an annual cake walk to the Final Four, which made recruiting easy.  He was an excellent coach, but so many of those UCLA tournament wins would not have happened in today's set up. 

Wrong, Long Beach and USF used to have great programs.  U$C was also damn good under Bob Boyd.

8 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Gerry on NIL

Was told about 20 minutes ago that Texas is expected to see a basketball all together NIL increase into the 4.8-5 million range for next season. 

This season's roster was 3.7-3.8 million.

That increase would place Texas in the top 15 range nationally based on numbers currently

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6 minutes ago, Jon Bovi said:

No "modern day Wooden" will ever exist.   It used to be that the tournament  regions were the actual regions.  No one in the West Region was any good except UCLA.  He had an annual cake walk to the Final Four, which made recruiting easy.  He was an excellent coach, but so many of those UCLA tournament wins would not have happened in today's set up. 

Wooden had the original NIL setup.

7 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Gerry on NIL

Was told about 20 minutes ago that Texas is expected to see a basketball all together NIL increase into the 4.8-5 million range for next season. 

This season's roster was 3.7-3.8 million.

That increase would place Texas in the top 15 range nationally based on numbers currently


It’s not just NIL compared to other schools. Terry spent a ton of his budget on a one and done player at the expense of the rest of the roster. We need someone to build a complete roster and to know what that should look like. 

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Miller is coming in as the most credentialed hire in Texas men’s basketball history with 4 EEs and 4S16s.

I don’t follow baseball so did David Pierce come to Texas with that type of record?

Oh hell no. His main credential was that he said “yes” after we were to “no” 5 or 6 times. 

8 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

I think CDC's goal was to get a coach who would raise the floor. Then if you pair that with NIL, good assistants, and local talent, you can reach higher, and get lucky with E8 or FF every now and then. Absent a few coaches who are already at bluebloods, that's all you can ask for in mens CBB. I think I see the logic behind the hire.

This.    Also there’s no guarantee that Oats would’ve said yes.   Bill self?  Come on.  I’m not sure Lloyd is worth a 9m buyout.  Give miller some resources and let’s see what happens

24 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Miller is a clear upgrade to RT. Let’s get some talent in the portal and go.

Great post.

17 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Gerry on NIL

Was told about 20 minutes ago that Texas is expected to see a basketball all together NIL increase into the 4.8-5 million range for next season. 

This season's roster was 3.7-3.8 million.

That increase would place Texas in the top 15 range nationally based on numbers currently

Doesn’t seem ideal if that total includes revenue sharing, right?

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10 minutes ago, runthebone said:

Wooden had the original NIL setup.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Meaning our BMDs are still not all in on basketball.

oh they are "all in" 

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34 minutes ago, justhookit said:

It’s evolving. I think we were middle of the pack-ish under Terry. I’m not as connected anymore as I was but I know there were people that wanted nothing to do with NIL under Terry. This played out exactly as it was expected. Beard set this program back 5-7 years and Terry was never going to succeed. 

 

7 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


It’s not just NIL compared to other schools. Terry spent a ton of his budget on a one and done player at the expense of the rest of the roster. We need someone to build a complete roster and to know what that should look like. 

The thing with NIL and Terry is that he chose the socialist approach in 2023-2024 and the capitalist approach in 2024-2025 (no CR, just the easiest way to frame it). Neither made a ton of sense in either cycle. Then, the guy was a terrible money raiser with the backers. He was uninspiring and lacked charisma. Guys who often say “yes” said “not right now”.  

It wasn’t like Texas was a have-not, but very much not a big time “have” with him at the helm. 

The update on NIL from Gerry is tempered with his own skepticism of the actual NIL talk right now. I’m not going to say that anyone is energized by Miller, because I simply do not know yet. What I do know is that the committed floor is the range Gerry quoted. If Miller comes in and shows that he can put together a final four-esque team quickly, the support is there. 

16 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

Oh hell no. His main credential was that he said “yes” after we were to “no” 5 or 6 times. 

This

This hire seems fine. I don’t love it, but I get it. He’s better than Terry and I’m sure there are good reasons for taking him over some other potential hires. I’m whelmed and willing to see how he does before reacting. 
 

It’s like getting a really nice new fleece for Christmas. Not exciting but you can’t complain. 

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Doesn’t seem ideal if that total includes revenue sharing, right?

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It’s about a 25% over last year so I don’t see how that isn’t a good thing. Of course other teams will probably be increasing too but Gerry has mentioned that some coaches are already nervous about what their share of the house settlement money will be.

He's got a son named Austin, so there's that...

a bit of a red flag he couldn't get to one final four at Arizona 

his checkered past is stuff that is all legal now and tons of coaches were doing.   I agree this is a high floor hire.  we'd kill for the Arizona run he had for the first 10 years.

If Miller was his guy, CDC had to be shitting bricks when we got matched up with Xavier on the play in.  that would be damn funny to be a fly on the wall there.

4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

It’s about a 25% over last year so I don’t see how that isn’t a good thing. Of course other teams will probably be increasing too but Gerry has mentioned that some coaches are already nervous about what their share of the house settlement money will be.

Yeah but it includes revenue sharing. 

 

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Plus whatever the oil douche puts on top of that. 

If you’re going to compete in the SEC you’re going to have to sacrifice a few ethics along the way.  Good hire.

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah but it includes revenue sharing. 

 

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Plus whatever the oil douche puts on top of that. 

Well yeah I don’t think any NIL budget we have is going to preclude the oil bros from just dropping random 7 figure bags for ones they want like they’ve shown they will do in multiple sports.

at least Miller has a resume that would put him in a reasonable pool of candidates.

3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Well yeah I don’t think any NIL budget we have is going to preclude the oil bros from just dropping random 7 figure bags for ones they want like they’ve shown they will do in multiple sports.

It’s not even that. We’re under 5 million all in(including revenue sharing and additional NIL). Seems like we are going into next year with a top 15 budget for this year. Makes no sense. Perhaps @David Dennisonis right and the money just doesn’t give a fuck about basketball enough to actually compete at highest levels. 

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35 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

Oh hell no. His main credential was that he said “yes” after we were to “no” 5 or 6 times. 

I'm not sure this is true.

I assume the reference to Underwood being a candidate for this job was nothing more than that.  He's an unbridled meathead of a coach.

2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

So I was looking at McCollum’s story deeper, and he has literally based his entire life within a 5.5 hour radius of Storm Lake, Iowa.  He’s been biding his time for one of about 5 or 6 jobs in the western Midwest.  Kind of a momma’s boy in the most admirable sense.

i hate that he’s going to Iowa, but I respect the hell out of him 

Hah, I read all of that and was like "what an odd fucking duck," but to each their own.

27 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

The thing with NIL and Terry is that he chose the socialist approach in 2023-2024 and the capitalist approach in 2024-2025 (no CR, just the easiest way to frame it). Neither made a ton of sense in either cycle. Then, the guy was a terrible money raiser with the backers. He was uninspiring and lacked charisma. Guys who often say “yes” said “not right now”.  

It wasn’t like Texas was a have-not, but very much not a big time “have” with him at the helm. 

The update on NIL from Gerry is tempered with his own skepticism of the actual NIL talk right now. I’m not going to say that anyone is energized by Miller, because I simply do not know yet. What I do know is that the committed floor is the range Gerry quoted. If Miller comes in and shows that he can put together a final four-esque team quickly, the support is there. 

Is there any Intel on the hiring process? Sounds like no one wanted to step up for buyouts. 

hopefully cdc gave KD and some of y  by e other nba alumnus a heads up about all this 

miller needs to talk with those guys asap too 

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s not even that. We’re under 5 million all in(including revenue sharing and additional NIL). Seems like we are going into next year with a top 15 budget for this year. Makes no sense. Perhaps @David Dennisonis right and the money just doesn’t give a fuck about basketball enough to actually compete at highest levels. 

 Basketball really only has 2-3 big time benefactors from the business world.  Other than Durant’s shoe contract that diverted money to Texas Basketball I’ve never really heard of the former players who went on to the NBA doing anything.  Im not saying they don’t or haven’t, but I’ve just never heard it. 
All I can say is that if you want more money diverted to basketball, then drink more Tito’s, I guess. 

My long standing conspiracy theory is several BMDs (and a lot of our fans) don’t want basketball to be so successful that it could rival baseball. 

But, basketball can’t be so shameful that it embarrasses The University. 

With this new setup, I’m wondering how all of that will change if we come close to emulating the Barnes 2000s success. 

8 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

 Basketball really only has 2-3 big time benefactors from the business world.  Other than Durant’s shoe contract that diverted money to Texas Basketball I’ve never really heard of the former players who went on to the NBA doing anything.  Im not saying they don’t or haven’t, but I’ve just never heard it. 
All I can say is that if you want more money diverted to basketball, then drink more Tito’s, I guess. 

Durant dropped $3* mil on the practice facility...

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Just now, ztejas said:

Durant dropped $10 mil on the practice facility...

And that’s what referenced in my post. I vote for Reading is Fundamental as your new name. 

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Durant dropped $10 mil on the practice facility...

Need KD to be the NIL ambassador, a la Curry and Davidson 

1 hour ago, WineGuy69 said:

fucking nerd

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

i know just what you’re saying.

so please stop explainin'

 

1 hour ago, ATXbronco said:

Gotta assume his style of play will put more butts in the arena next season. 

winning will put more butts in the arena next season

 

20 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If you’re going to compete in the SEC you’re going to have to sacrifice a few ethics along the way.  Good hire.

Dunno if you've kept up with the news lately...

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...but all that shit that used to be "unethical" is legal now.

Texas wanted to hire Miller last time but circumstances and the fact he lost to Texas and Terry it didn't happen.

This time Miller beat Texas and Terry, and he got the job.

So, if Texas and Terry had beaten Miller and Xavier, which they should have.

Then Texas loses to Illinois in the first round, which most likely would have happened.

Does Texas still name Miller as head coach, if Terry was fired.

Would seem a little awkward.

2 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

And that’s what referenced in my post. I vote for Reading is Fundamental as your new name. 

My bad it was $3 mil think I had it confused with a different KD donation. 

You didn't make it clear that that was what you were referring to - and who gaf where the money came from it's KD's money.

14 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

hopefully cdc gave KD and some of y  by e other nba alumnus a heads up about all this 

miller needs to talk with those guys asap too 

Why so they can continue to not contribute to NIL?

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

My bad it was $3 mil think I had it confused with a different KD donation. 

You didn't make it clear that that was what you were referring to - and who gaf where the money came from it's KD's money.

No one. Do you know of any of our former players besides KD who has contributed significantly?  Because if you do that would be the only relevant comment to the rather non controversial post that I made.  
I’m really kind of interested in the question because I legitimately don’t know the answer. 

4 minutes ago, NBHorn7 said:

Texas wanted to hire Miller last time but circumstances and the fact he lost to Texas and Terry it didn't happen.

This time Miller beat Texas and Terry, and he got the job.

So, if Texas and Terry had beaten Miller and Xavier, which they should have.

Then Texas loses to Illinois in the first round, which most likely would have happened.

Does Texas still name Miller as head coach, if Terry was fired.

Would seem a little awkward.

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