March 30, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said: Did you read about Roy Williams leaving Kansas for UNC? Don't be obtuse. If Williams had a better AD relationship during his tenure at Kansas I don't think he would have left. That ultimately is what pushed him out.
March 30, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said: that's an attitude that would make sense to me if i went to tech Look, I’m not dismissing a certain level of loyalty to where somebody did their undergrad. It doesn’t just necessarily trump the years at another institution where somebody built their career and has had absolute support in doing so. And to the other poster, Roy going to UNC isn’t the same. The fact that some fans on here think that way with regard to the UT job is just as much an indictment of a fanbase’s attitude. Edited March 30, 20214 yr by slorch
March 30, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said: Did you read about Roy Williams leaving Kansas for UNC? Don't be obtuse. Never heard of him... Did he enjoy the level of support at KU that Beard has at Tech?
March 30, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, slorch said: Look, I’m not dismissing a certain level of loyalty to where somebody did their undergrad. It doesn’t just totally trump the years in another institution where somebody built their career and has had absolute support in doing so. And to the other poster, Roy going to UNC isn’t the same. The fact that some fans on here think that way with regard to the UT job is just as much an indictment of a fanbase’s attitude. It's exactly the same. I don't know Chris Beard's love for UT, but I know your love for Tech. You'd leave Duke for Tech.
March 30, 20214 yr All things being equal as far as financial commitment goes there is no way I would turn down the UT job. I imagine most here would say that. Does Beard feel that way? Who knows. But there is nothing that makes tech a better job and he’s an alum here. I’d put it at more likely than not that he comes home, but maybe being an alum here doesn’t matter. I can’t see this thing dragging out past this week with him.
March 30, 20214 yr Someone call that denim shirt wearing fool Kelvin Sampson ASAP. The man is getting it done
March 30, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, slorch said: Look, I’m not dismissing a certain level of loyalty to where somebody did their undergrad. It doesn’t just necessarily trump the years at another institution where somebody built their career and has had absolute support in doing so. And to the other poster, Roy going to UNC isn’t the same. The fact that some fans on here think that way with regard to the UT job is just as much an indictment of a fanbase’s attitude. The comparison is Kansas:UNC to Tech:UT, not UT to UNC. Edited March 30, 20214 yr by Bevo14
March 30, 20214 yr Just now, Bevo14 said: The comparison is Kansas:UNC to UT:Tech, not UT to UNC. Yep. That was a bad miss by slorch.
March 30, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: All things being equal as far as financial commitment goes there is no way I would turn down the UT job. I imagine most here would say that. Does Beard feel that way? Who knows. But there is nothing that makes tech a better job and he’s an alum here. I’d put it at more likely than not that he comes home, but maybe being an alum here doesn’t matter. I can’t see this thing dragging out past this week with him. It's not just being an alum or a potential $5.5-$6m salary. Where would you rather recruit to - Austin and only 3 hours from Dallas/Houston or Lubbock and 5 hours from Dallas/9 hours from Houston? The top 5 players in the state in 2020 were all basically 3 hours from Austin (and Greg Brown was right under our nose).
March 30, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: Its quiet..... a little TOO quiet If it's Beard, nothing is going to happen until after the 1st when his buyout drops.
March 30, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Geezus. The one tech fan we have is salty as fuck There are others but they rarely come out except after a Tech win.
March 30, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Geezus. The one tech fan we have is salty as fuck It's all the caliche.
March 30, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, 6th Street said: Someone call that denim shirt wearing fool Kelvin Sampson ASAP. The man is getting it done 15, 10, 11, 12
March 30, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Mittens said: 15, 10, 11, 12 This. Easiest path in NCAA history I believe
March 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, slorch said: Actually if he was leaving for one of the schools you mention and throw in Duke for good measure; it would make sense to everyone. The Texas job is not in that category and neither is Tech, but Beard has had basically unlimited support of his program. Therein lies the rub. Beard has done it in Lubbock. He doesn’t need UT to win it all. Itwill not be for moneyif he leaves, and that’s the pisser, if that should indeed, happen. Just because neither Tech nor UT are on the level of UNC or Duke, doesn’t mean that Tech and UT are equal. UT is still an imminently better opportunity with much better access to talent than Tech. And I hate to break it to you, but y’all actually lost that national title game. I know it felt like a win for Tech fans, but it still doesn’t count. And it actually does look like Beard needs a better spot than Tech to get back to the Final Four and win it all. Y’all are 18-17 in conference the last two years and nowhere near winning a title.
March 30, 20214 yr Popular Post 1 minute ago, Js1 said: This. Easiest path in NCAA history I believe And he didn’t run into the buzzsaw that is acu
March 30, 20214 yr So what is it going to be for Texas and Texas Tech fans? Search is just in a holding pattern. I personally would like to see Royal Ivey since I already lived through 6 years of basketball being unwatchable. I could live with 3 more if Ivey does not work out. What I could not live with is a guy that cost us a ton of money and is here for 5 years due to buy out money and somehow starts to suck due to hitting the jackpot. 18-17 in conference in the last two years is worrisome. Edited March 30, 20214 yr by DanTheHorn
March 30, 20214 yr Talked to my buddy. It’s a done deal. Be announced end of the week. 3 strippers and a plate of brisket is all it took.
March 30, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said: Just because neither Tech nor UT are on the level of UNC or Duke, doesn’t mean that Tech and UT are equal. UT is still an imminently better opportunity with much better access to talent than Tech. And I hate to break it to you, but y’all actually lost that national title game. I know it felt like a win for Tech fans, but it still doesn’t count. And it actually does look like Beard needs a better spot than Tech to get back to the Final Four and win it all. Y’all are 18-17 in conference the last two years and nowhere near winning a title. Beard has recruited multiple 4 star players over the last two years, so, in other words, much better talent from a recruiting standpoint than Tech has ever had in the past and, more importantly, much better talent (again, on paper) than he had on the teams that went to the Elite 8 and the Final Four. Keeping that in mind, is there any chance Tech's record over the last two seasons might have something to do with Beard and his staff and how they've coached up these players and not just stand as a manifestation of the real or perceived inadequacies of Tech as an institution, and/or Lubbock as a city? Edited March 30, 20214 yr by Dirk X West
March 30, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Dirk X West said: Beard has recruited multiple 4 star players over the last two years, so, in other words, much better talent from a recruiting standpoint than Tech has ever had in the past and, more importantly, much better talent (again, on paper) than he had on the teams that went to the Elite 8 and the Final Four. Keeping that in kind, is there any chance Tech's record over the last two seasons might have something to do with Beard and his staff and how they've coached up these players and not just stand as a manifestation of the real or perceived inadequacies of Tech as an institution, and/or Lubbock as a city? I absolutely have questions about Beard and don’t think he’s the sure thing many people seem to be making him out to be, but I don’t think anyone can credibly argue that he wouldn’t have better access to talent at UT than he does at Tech. He’s definitely recruited higher rated guys the last couple years, but he’s also missed on some targets that he might have been able to get at Texas. And slorch’s take that he has everything he needs at Tech to win a title and acting like UT and Tech are on the same level because neither are UNC or Duke is just way off. Edited March 30, 20214 yr by Burt Macklin
March 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, slorch said: He built his career at Texas Tech. It doesn’t make a fuck where he graduated college. That may be true for you. Not for everybody else. The relevant question is: Is it true for Chris Beard? 1 hour ago, slorch said: Look, I’m not dismissing a certain level of loyalty to where somebody did their undergrad. It doesn’t just necessarily trump the years at another institution where somebody built their career and has had absolute support in doing so. Again, that's true for you. Is it for Beard? From reading your posts, you are clearly afraid that it is not. And I'd say you are wise to be afraid. Just don't go off screaming that it's a dumb decision if that is the one that Beard makes. Judging him by what YOU believe and what YOU would have done is pretty silly.
March 30, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said: I absolutely have questions about Beard and don’t think he’s the sure thing many people seem to be making him out to be, but I don’t think anyone can credibly argue that he wouldn’t have better access to talent at UT than he does at Tech. He’s definitely recruited higher rated guys the last couple years, but he’s also missed on some targets that he might have been able to get at Texas. Who's saying he's a sure thing?
March 30, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said: I absolutely have questions about Beard and don’t think he’s the sure thing many people seem to be making him out to be, but I don’t think anyone can credibly argue that he wouldn’t have better access to talent at UT than he does at Tech. He’s definitely recruited higher rated guys the last couple years, but he’s also missed on some targets that he might have been able to get at Texas. And slorch’s take that he has everything he needs at Tech to win a title and acting like UT and Tech are on the same level because neither are UNC or Duke is just way off. They went to OT in the title game 2 years ago so he certainly does have everything ne needs. That doesn't mean it's as easy at Tech as it is at UT though. It would be at least a bit easier in Austin if not substantially easier. Edited March 30, 20214 yr by SimonBolivar
March 30, 20214 yr We should debate some more why a Texas grad might prefer coaching at Texas and living in Austin, to Tech.
March 30, 20214 yr The one thing Beard doesn't have to worry about at Tech is job security. I mean, as long as he doesn't take disciplinary action on a player, ends up pissing off one of his players' dads, and gets fired. Then he can kiss he entire contract goodbye.
March 30, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said: They went to OT in the title game 2 years ago so he certainly does have everything ne needs. That doesn't mean it's as easy at Tech as it is at UT though. It would be at least a bit easier in Austin if not substantially easier. Because it's always been so easy for Texas to make final fours... UT and Austin have always had these advantages and yet....one final four? The university, culture and resources might not be as important, or even at, as everyone thinks. There is no history here that says it's substantially easier to win shit at Texas.
March 30, 20214 yr Quick reminder that there are discussions to allow high schoolers to go straight to the pros as early as 2022. Recruiting will look completely different once that occurs. Convincing a high school basketball star to spend multiple years in Lubbock, TX is very different than asking them to spend 6 months.
March 30, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said: Quick reminder that there are discussions to allow high schoolers to go straight to the pros as early as 2022. Recruiting will look completely different once that occurs. Convincing a high school basketball star to spend multiple years in Lubbock, TX is very different than asking them to spend 6 months. And if they're going to spend multiple years, Austin is easier to sell than Lubbock.
March 30, 20214 yr Quote The comparison is Kansas:UNC to Tech:UT This is generous to Tech. That said, I do think college sports are different - especially basketball. It is possible to build a powerhouse at a location that isn't exactly desirable. Is Lubbock so much worse than East Lansing, Bloomington, Louisville, or Memphis. The airport is easy to get to and makes all of Texas accessible. They have really good facilities and are kings of the campus. The "talent" on campus is better than anything you will find in the mid-west. Beard has already shown he can recruit 4 and 5-star talent to Lubbock. The main thing he has at Tech that he won't have at Texas is a really long leash. His hard-ass underdog style of coaching actually may play better with the recruits he will land and the Tech alumni than it will at Texas.
March 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Js1 said: It's not just being an alum or a potential $5.5-$6m salary. Where would you rather recruit to - Austin and only 3 hours from Dallas/Houston or Lubbock and 5 hours from Dallas/9 hours from Houston? The top 5 players in the state in 2020 were all basically 3 hours from Austin (and Greg Brown was right under our nose). I don’t think Beards system depends upon getting 5stars, and not all 5 stars may want his system. Tech has a great practice facility. For basketball and plenty of horizontal refreshment for the players. Beard doesn’t have to have a big city to succeed, and he is getting paid well. We shall see. Would love to finally have a great coach that excels in March, no matter who it is.
March 30, 20214 yr Probably folly at this point, but I looked at every single coach that has been to the Sweet 16 over the last 5 tournaments. Of the 46 coaches, 31 are not under consideration (won't leave, too scummy, sucks, too old, etc.). That leaves 15 coaches that could be possible. Some of them may also be too slimy, too shitty, or not leaving their current position for Texas, but it's worth at least kicking the tires on them. Otherwise, we are either grabbing a coach that hasn't been to the Sweet 16 recently (like Ritchie McKay or Joe Golding) or doesn't coach in college (Royal Ivey). Spoiler Spoiler Edited March 30, 20214 yr by Hornlover
March 30, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, HookEm said: This is generous to Tech. That said, I do think college sports are different - especially basketball. It is possible to build a powerhouse at a location that isn't exactly desirable. Is Lubbock so much worse than East Lansing, Bloomington, Louisville, or Memphis. The airport is easy to get to and makes all of Texas accessible. They have really good facilities and are kings of the campus. The "talent" on campus is better than anything you will find in the mid-west. Beard has already shown he can recruit 4 and 5-star talent to Lubbock. The main thing he has at Tech that he won't have at Texas is a really long leash. His hard-ass underdog style of coaching actually may play better with the recruits he will land and the Tech alumni than it will at Texas. College basketball defies geography. Look at Gonzaga. A good coach can build a program anywhere if it has identity and buy-in. It might take longer at a place like Lubbock, but consistency can get you there. And indeed winning programs are built on three and four-star players. We should probably hope to have a coach who wisely recruits core players who will stay 3-4 years and truly create a culture and a system.
March 30, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said: They went to OT in the title game 2 years ago so he certainly does have everything ne needs. That doesn't mean it's as easy at Tech as it is at UT though. It would be at least a bit easier in Austin if not substantially easier. Based on what? Our final 4 in 2003? Having KD for a year? We have not done better than Tech to this point in BB. We need to win the tournament to claim that brag. Despite all our “advantages” it hasn’t happened . Hopefully we get someone who is capable.
March 30, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, HookEm said: This is generous to Tech. That said, I do think college sports are different - especially basketball. It is possible to build a powerhouse at a location that isn't exactly desirable. Is Lubbock so much worse than East Lansing, Bloomington, Louisville, or Memphis. The airport is easy to get to and makes all of Texas accessible. They have really good facilities and are kings of the campus. The "talent" on campus is better than anything you will find in the mid-west. Beard has already shown he can recruit 4 and 5-star talent to Lubbock. The main thing he has at Tech that he won't have at Texas is a really long leash. His hard-ass underdog style of coaching actually may play better with the recruits he will land and the Tech alumni than it will at Texas. For fans and coaches yes. For players and their families? Not really. The families of players still pretty much drive to games.
March 30, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, PilotsError said: Because it's always been so easy for Texas to make final fours... UT and Austin have always had these advantages and yet....one final four? The university, culture and resources might not be as important, or even at, as everyone thinks. There is no history here that says it's substantially easier to win shit at Texas. Butler made the title game two years in a row. You can make it from nearly anywhere.
March 30, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, closetohumping said: Butler made the title game two years in a row. You can make it from nearly anywhere. Yeah. Who would have ever guessed Indianapolis would be a hotbed for basketball?
March 30, 20214 yr All time Texas basketball program rankings: 1) UTEP 2) U of H 3) Texas Tech 4) Texas
March 30, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Nowhichski said: College basketball defies geography. Look at Gonzaga. A good coach can build a program anywhere if it has identity and buy-in. It might take longer at a place like Lubbock, but consistency can get you there. And indeed winning programs are built on three and four-star players. We should probably hope to have a coach who wisely recruits core players who will stay 3-4 years and truly create a culture and a system. IIRC in college ball, most of the tournament winners have had experienced teams, rather than a collection of one and dones, excepting KY , Fab 4/5 etc. maybe I’m wrong.
March 30, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Hornlover said: Yeah. Who would have ever guessed Indianapolis would be a hotbed for basketball? Yes. I’m sure Stevens out recruited the fuck out of Shaka. Hey Shaka almost won it all at Vcu. Why’d he leave for Texas? Derp. I’m sure coach K are awaiting that butler opening. Btw take the ten best high school kids from Houston and they’d wipe the floor vs the Indians high school all stars. Just about any year. hows butler doing since stevens bailed? Edited March 30, 20214 yr by closetohumping
March 30, 20214 yr FWIW, I dont think Beard will leave Texas Tech. But if he did, it would MAYBE be for Texas or the NBA. Personally, I love the guy. Part of that stems from his buy in to the culture of West Texas and his love for Texas Tech and our players from decades past. Thats just it. I think if he had a desire to lead Texas. He is still going to be extremely torn and conflicted about how that will effect his relationships in West Texas. I think he is an exception to the rule in this respect. He is genuine and its a part of who he is and how he coaches. I think ultimately he is happy in Lubbock and unless there is something behind the scenes relationship wise with Tech admins or boosters, he stays.
March 30, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Btw take the ten best high school kids from Houston and they’d wipe the floor vs the Indians high school all stars. Just about any year. And by Houston, you mean Dallas.
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