July 15, 20214 yr Overall I think this was my favorite Marvel series but that finale sure had a lot of talking. Marvel said to hell with the show don't tell rule. That episode was pretty much My Dinner with Kang.
July 15, 20214 yr The rather liberal mixing of the term "timeline" with the term "alternate universe" drives me fucking crazy ... but the comics are just as guilty of it.
July 15, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, capnamerca said: The rather liberal mixing of the term "timeline" with the term "alternate universe" drives me fucking crazy ... but the comics are just as guilty of it. Username checks out like crazy.
July 15, 20214 yr I thought the series overall was awesome. Episode 3 sucked, but the rest were great. And I thought they turned a pretty convoluted plot line into a manageable one and set up the universe superbly. It did take a little bit of excessive plot explaining but whatever
July 15, 20214 yr Author 1 hour ago, NOMAAA said: safe to say kang is in the eternals too? I doubt it. Maybe in some form but not with Jonathan Majors playing him. More likely you'll see him pop up in Dr. Strange 2. Definitely in Ant Man 3 as he was already announced as the villain.
July 16, 20214 yr Got Damn! Such a good series. Hats off to the people behind the scenes who tie the MCU together.Watched Black Widow last night. Loved it. Can't wait for the next Disney+ series and Marvel movie..............just take my damn money now!
July 18, 20214 yr Lol Damn y’all some of love some time travel stuff. Not a big fan of it. Show was good but less than Wanda Vision and Winter Soldier. It got somewhere finally but could have been 8 episodes. Ready for Thor Love and War. F Loki (Great actor though)
July 18, 20214 yr Winter Soldier was too formulaic. Easily the weakest of the three Disney+ shows so far. It seemed like it should have been a movie, not a show. In my opinion, Wanda/Loki were better because of their uniqueness and trying something new, at least as it relates to superhero movies or tv shows to date. And I don’t think either of them could have been movies, there was too much story and they needed the extended exposition to tell them properly.
July 18, 20214 yr Author WandaVision and Loki also had better villains, even if neither was really about having a villain. The Flag Smasher were poorly done which I know was partially due to the pandemic but both they and the Power Broker were terrible compared to Agatha and the TVA. Zemo made the show a lot better. I think Hawkeye will also be a let down.
July 18, 20214 yr FATWS needed to be longer, maybe 12 eps, and include the virus plot (or another subplot). It needed to be slower and to give the plot time to marinate. It ended up being formulaic and almost checkbox-driven. Not just show us once to establish the plot element, e.g. not being able to trade on his name with the bank, but actually make us feel something. WV and Loki had no problems in that regard.
July 19, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, hornian said: Winter Soldier was too formulaic. Easily the weakest of the three Disney+ shows so far. It seemed like it should have been a movie, not a show. The MCU shows on Disney+ all have a purpose - world building for the larger MCU and/or setting up future MCU movies. Wanda and Loki both setup definite MCU movies (mostly Doctor Strange and Ant-Man/Wasp and Guardians) with major implications for those movies, and we didn't know where Wanda and Loki would start and end in terms of the impact they would have. F/WS was doing some world-building, and was taking us from Point A to Point B with a few stops in between. The problem is we already knew that Point A was Sam as Falcon and Point B was Sam as Captain America. Everything else was some villain and organization world building stuff that probably won't pay off until deep in Phase 4 or in early Phase 5, BUT it may not even pay off in the movies. It may stay confined to Disney+ TV shows (Hawkeye, Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, etc.). Marvel and Disney, and the MCU actors are very comfortable moving back and forth between TV shows now - Disney is willing to put the money in to make its shows operate at the same level as its films, and the actors are getting paid the same (or actually more in some cases from what's been hinted at).
July 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Apep said: FATWS needed to be longer, maybe 12 eps, and include the virus plot (or another subplot). It definitely needed that virus plot, and would be cool if they'd add that in somehow in the future (maybe a special edition where they throw some storyboards up with the actors doing some dialogue over it). But I get the whole sensitivity about the pandemic - the virus plot may have been taken from the comics, but your typical MCU viewer would not be aware of that. Needed a lot more Madripoor, a lot more Zemo, and a lot more Sharon Carter and her organization. If it had more room to breathe, none of us would be going "OMG they have two episodes left, how are they going to introduce this person or wrap this plot up?" I thought John Walker was awesome, and I look forward to whatever role he plays (I'm leaning towards Secret Wars/Invasion/Armor Wars).
July 20, 20214 yr On 7/14/2021 at 8:55 PM, UT_OB1 said: The TVA is outside of time. That’s why the stones don’t work there. Assumed to be the quantum realm between all universes. So how can there be another TVA? That part still confuses me. Need a comic nerd to explain this one.
July 20, 20214 yr On 7/14/2021 at 10:31 PM, atomheartbevo said: Also ,this is the exact vibe I had during this episode, and not in a good way. My biggest beef with the Avengers stuff was the time travel thing. Now apparently we get time travel, multiverses and more Didn't realize Marvel had this much jibber jabber in it. Makes everything very less compelling, imo, even for fun popcorn stuff. WandaVision is such a clear favorite for me. I'll go with Loki as second b/c of Hiddelston's acting chops, but that's about it. Cap/Winter soldier was outright shitty tv. Edited July 20, 20214 yr by MC Fresh Breath
July 20, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said: Also ,this is the exact vibe I had during this episode, and not in a good way. My biggest beef with the Avengers stuff was the time travel thing. Now apparently we get time travel, multiverses and more Didn't realize Marvel had this much jibber jabber in it. Makes everything very less compelling, imo, even for fun popcorn stuff. WandaVision is such a clear favorite for me. I'll go with Loki as second b/c of Hiddelston's acting chops, but that's about it. Cap/Winter soldier was outright shitty tv. Agree, they blew it on the final episode of Loki. And I love the series, but they mostly ignored the personal stakes they setup for Loki and Sylvie and we got 30 minutes of He Who Remains talking at us to give us exposition to setup Phase 4. Also agree w/ the confusing terminology re: multiverse and timeline. Does each universe have its own timeline? Or are the branches on the off the old sacred timeline now the different 'verses?
July 20, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said: Also ,this is the exact vibe I had during this episode, and not in a good way. My biggest beef with the Avengers stuff was the time travel thing. Now apparently we get time travel, multiverses and more Didn't realize Marvel had this much jibber jabber in it. Makes everything very less compelling, imo, even for fun popcorn stuff. WandaVision is such a clear favorite for me. I'll go with Loki as second b/c of Hiddelston's acting chops, but that's about it. Cap/Winter soldier was outright shitty tv. I wouldn't overthink it too much. The Multiverse stuff is a huge part of Marvel comics, and this could be simply how they get the X-Men into things.
July 20, 20214 yr Author 4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said: I wouldn't overthink it too much. The Multiverse stuff is a huge part of Marvel comics, and this could be simply how they get the X-Men into things. Exactly this. It's like science in Star Wars. Don't overthink it. It has its own rules and who gives a shit if it makes sense. We'll get kickass shit like a new, finally decent Fantastic Four movie and more X-Men. Plus What If? is entirely based on the Multiverse. Don't overthink it. Just enjoy it. Hell, they might make Galactus a giant version of Kang that combines his abilities with Alioth to start devouring worlds. Edited July 21, 20214 yr by mdmost
July 21, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, William Wallace said: I have no desire to watch WandaTV or this. I hear they are average? There's nothing average about Elizabeth Olsen.
July 21, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, William Wallace said: I have no desire to watch WandaTV or this. I hear they are average?
July 21, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, Neonmoon said: In unrelated news, I've said since the 80s, that the ags are the Ferengi of college football. Never dangerous on their own, but always capable of messing it up for the actual good, strong forces of the galaxy.
July 21, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said: Cap/Winter soldier was outright shitty tv. It is SO much better than 95% of what is on TV.
July 21, 20214 yr I may watch it for Tom, When he became Loki in the Movie, I didn't know that was him..... Great actor. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1399664/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12 The Night Manager was a great series showing off his acting. I may have to rewatch. Him and Hugh Laurie were great. Edited July 21, 20214 yr by William Wallace
July 21, 20214 yr Am I the only one that doesn’t want the X-Men to join the Marvel Universe? I like superheroes being few and far between. Not everyone and their mother having powers.
July 21, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, CooterBrown said: Am I the only one that doesn’t want the X-Men to join the Marvel Universe? I like superheroes being few and far between. Not everyone and their mother having powers. Not like Wolverine was an Avenger at one point or anything
July 21, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, CooterBrown said: Am I the only one that doesn’t want the X-Men to join the Marvel Universe? I like superheroes being few and far between. Not everyone and their mother having powers. They’re going to run the Marvel franchise into the ground by going full comic-book on the multiverse. That’s not a criticism, just the best path forward. Otherwise you end up with the historical hodgepodge of separate universes, frequent reboots, and failure to extract every last dime from fans.
July 21, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, ernest_t_bass said: It is SO much better than 95% of what is on TV. Stop saying this. No it's not. There are awesome shows everywhere. You can throw a rock on Netflix, HBO, Apple, Hulu, etc. and find a show much better than Falcon/Winter Soldier. ...unless you mean "TV" in the traditional sense: ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Edited July 21, 20214 yr by aggie08
July 21, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Apep said: They’re going to run the Marvel franchise into the ground by going full comic-book on the multiverse. That’s not a criticism, just the best path forward. Otherwise you end up with the historical hodgepodge of separate universes, frequent reboots, and failure to extract every last dime from fans. I think this is the goal. Comics are like complicated, and not so complicated, soap operas but with pictures and pretend violence. Characters have been dying and reincarnated so many fucking times. With the MCU Multiverse, you can reincarnate characters with new, younger actors and keep going for perpetuity. MCU Iron Man may get reincarnated in the not so distant future played by a new younger actor. I'm geek about about the MCU because I read a ton of comics as a kid. It's amazing having my childhood heroes move from 2D to 3D. But like with why I stopped reading comics, the novelty wore off and stories got stale, confusing, and boring. At some point, the MCU will wear off. The good news is there is a new generation of kids like I was decades ago who will continue to watch these movies for another 2-3 decades.
July 21, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, ernest_t_bass said: It is SO much better than 95% of what is on TV. I can't argue that, I suppose. By "TV" these days I mean Netflix, Amazon Prime, obviously DIsney+, e.t.c. And I don't watch nearly as much as I used to.
July 21, 20214 yr On 7/20/2021 at 1:26 PM, atomheartbevo said: I wouldn't overthink it too much. The Multiverse stuff is a huge part of Marvel comics, and this could be simply how they get the X-Men into things. Fair enough. I really enjoyed the episode prior to this one, so I probably shouldn't hammer (heh) too much.
July 21, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Dutch said: So…it’s Wednesday…no new Loki ep to watch tonight…. What If starts, when? Grab HBOMax, watch Chernobyl, Westworld, Rome, From the Earth to the Moon, Band of Brothers, etc. Westworld is scratching my Loki itch, but I've only seen bits and pieces and random episodes, so watching it from the beginning has been a treat. Edited July 21, 20214 yr by atomheartbevo
July 22, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Apep said: They’re going to run the Marvel franchise into the ground by going full comic-book on the multiverse. That’s not a criticism, just the best path forward. Otherwise you end up with the historical hodgepodge of separate universes, frequent reboots, and failure to extract every last dime from fans. Nope. You're thinking small potatoes man. The universe is a biiig place. Set up an Annihilation to Realm of Kings arc, and you've got plenty to go on for years.
July 22, 20214 yr 31 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said: Grab HBOMax, watch Chernobyl, Westworld, Rome, From the Earth to the Moon, Band of Brothers, etc. Westworld is scratching my Loki itch, but I've only seen bits and pieces and random episodes, so watching it from the beginning has been a treat. Rome… LOVED that series. Wish they had stretched it out to four seasons. I’m known to throw out a Pullo, Vorenus, and Antony quote from time to time. Respect to those who catch them Edited July 22, 20214 yr by Dutch
July 22, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, Dutch said: So…it’s Wednesday…no new Loki ep to watch tonight…. What If starts, when? You can watch the making-of documentary
July 22, 20214 yr On 7/15/2021 at 3:55 PM, atomheartbevo said: Username checks out like crazy. Well now that you mention it, I'm not sure I understand how Captain America was able to make it back at the end of Endgame. Wouldn't he have created a branch timeline?
July 22, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Bookman said: Well now that you mention it, I'm not sure I understand how Captain America was able to make it back at the end of Endgame. Wouldn't he have created a branch timeline? They said in the show, maybe the first episode that all the time travel shenanigans if Endgame were deemed to be the "correct" timeline by the time keepers.
July 22, 20214 yr 58 minutes ago, Hawndoh said: They said in the show, maybe the first episode that all the time travel shenanigans if Endgame were deemed to be the "correct" timeline by the time keepers. Which only explains why that timeline wasn't pruned, right? If he goes back, returns the stones, then decides to live a life with Peggy Carter, why wouldn't that be a nexus event that creates a branch universe? And if that happened, how did he travel from that branch to his original timeline?
July 22, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, freyguy said: Nope. You're thinking small potatoes man. The universe is a biiig place. Set up an Annihilation to Realm of Kings arc, and you've got plenty to go on for years. That’s pretty much what I said, though I knew that a comic fan would be along to criticize my use of the word “multiverse” because I’m too lazy to look up the overarching term for the entirety of everything.
September 2, 20214 yr Just binged this on a couple of long flights and in some hotel downtime this week-- was really good and from reading this entire 7 page thread, I get the feeling that binging it versus watching it and waiting for the next ep week over week was way better and made the story make more sense. Also, it made the finale way better, compared to a lot of the initial reviews and comments and all the dialogue was not a let down or disappointment, but was actually just as compelling and interesting than a bunch of fighting and action. Lastly the actor who played Kang was amazing and stole the show and I thought was awesome. Surprised to hear folks didn't like him.
September 3, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, DonkeyCigars said: Lastly the actor who played Kang was amazing and stole the show and I thought was awesome. Surprised to hear folks didn't like him. They better get to like him, since he's one of the main baddies in the next phase. I think the problem is that he was introduced in the last episode, and a lot of people don't like when you have this big buildup, and then the main bad guy only shows up in the last episode.
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