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St. Louis County prosecutor investigating if deadly shooting over grass clippings was self-defense

 

 

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ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) -- News 4 spoke exclusively to the landscaper seen in a video showing the moments before and after a Glasgow Village man was killed. He said the deadly shooting was in self-defense.

The fiancé of 29-year-old Allen Waller describes his killing as senseless. The father was killed Sunday after a dispute erupted between him and his neighbor’s landscaper over grass clippings. Waller’s fiancé - who didn’t want to be identified - told News 4 they’ve been complaining to their neighbor for years about yard debris left behind by her landscaper.

News 4 obtained home surveillance video showing the moments before and after the shooting. The video shows the neighbor bringing two men to Waller’s door step. They go around the corner of the home out of frame, then seconds go by and the neighbor is seen sprinting across her yard. The video reveals a third man walking from a truck parked on the street with a gun.

St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Wesley Bell’s office told News 4 they have taken the matter for charges under advisement because "of the element of self-defense." They said charges will depend on what additional evidence turns up. 

The landscaper and his family told News 4 they wish to remain anonymous after receiving a deluge of death threats.

The landscaper said he went to Waller’s home on Sunday after his client, the woman in the video, said he had an issue with grass blades blowing into this driveway.

“And I’m like 'sir, I understand there’s grass on your property, don’t you think the wind could have blown this over?'” the landscaper said.

The man said when Waller took them around the corner of the house, out of sight of the surveillance camera, things became intense.
 

“He pulls out his gun from his waistband and cocks it and starts waving it around to me and my brother and put it to my brother’s head,” the landscaper said.

The landscaper told News 4 he brought his two brothers with him after his client told him Waller’s been spotted by neighbors brandishing his gun during arguments.

News 4 has tried reaching out to Waller’s immediate family. Family members have expressed disappointment with charges not being filed yet in this case on social media.

Editor’s note: A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Wesley Bell’s office would not be filing charges in the case. This story has been updated to reflect his office has taken the matter under advisement.

 

Not a shooting over grass clippings.  Its a shooting over some dumbass brandishing a gun over grass clippings.

 

29 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Not a shooting over grass clippings.  Its a shooting over some dumbass brandishing a gun over grass clippings.

 

so grass clippings...

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Sounds like a real………….grasshole


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2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

The landscaper told News 4 he brought his two brothers with him after his client told him Waller’s been spotted by neighbors brandishing his gun during arguments.

And that’s where he fucked up. You don’t confront a nut job who pulls a gun during arguments. They should have stayed home. 

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I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

Lawn clipping blow over…

3 people walk over to neighbor’s house

Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera

One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)

Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun

Who shot who and when?

30 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

Lawn clipping blow over…

3 people walk over to neighbor’s house

Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera

One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)

Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun

Who shot who and when?

I guess you had to be there...

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

Lawn clipping blow over…

3 people walk over to neighbor’s house

Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera

One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)

Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun

Who shot who and when?

thank you! did the exact same thing. fucking media. just get the story right, do your job! 

1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

indeed

"Well, he should've armed himself if he's gonna decorate my lawn with his grass clippings.

"OH! He did arm himself? Uh ... I might not have thought this through. Never mind. No, seriously, never mind. NEVER MI-..."

I guess you could say .  . .

He was cut down . . .

In his prime . . . .

YEAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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Sounds like...

He got clipped.

YEAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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5 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

Lawn clipping blow over…

3 people walk over to neighbor’s house

Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera

One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)

Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun

Who shot who and when?

Horribly written article. 

Sounds like mulch ado about nothing. 

Gott damn I wanna neg the fuck out y'all for using that ginger pricks image.  Still laughing though....

14 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

guns aren't made to be waved around 

Squirt guns are dammit !!!

the white grass clip hating neighbor Waller is the one who complained to the landscapers (2 black gentlemen) about grass clippings getting into his shitty ass lawn. seriously his lawn looks like shit and he's complaining about grass clippings? anyway, the white neighbor takes the 2 black landscapers to the side of the house and allegedly starts waiving a gun around and points it at one of the black landscapers. the two landscapers run to their cars. a 3rd brother (family, not urban slang) runs back to to confront the neighbor with what looks like a ar-15 type rifle and allegedly shoots the the white grass clip hating, shitty lawn having neighbor in the chest.

america loves guns so we are slowing going back to the wild west. i can't wait for gun duels on main street.

If you wave a gun at someone, you just gave them an open invite to shoot you 

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32 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

If you wave a gun at someone, you just gave them an open invite to shoot you 

Especially during league play  

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.
Lawn clipping blow over…
3 people walk over to neighbor’s house
Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera
One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)
Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun
Who shot who and when?

You’ll take this news and like it! Damn lucky not to have to pay to see this Pulitzer prose.
15 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

Lawn clipping blow over…

3 people walk over to neighbor’s house

Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera

One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)

Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun

Who shot who and when?

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13 hours ago, Iowa Horn said:

Is this the guy?

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This is the first time I noticed that they were having bloody's out on the veranda. 

Maybe he got agitated because he thought they were calling it a clip instead of a magazine. I've seen people get really worked up about that

1 hour ago, Da Fino said:

This is the first time I noticed that they were having bloody's out on the veranda. 

How long will he sing the song?

3 hours ago, crash_davis said:

the white grass clip hating neighbor Waller is the one who complained to the landscapers (2 black gentlemen) about grass clippings getting into his shitty ass lawn. seriously his lawn looks like shit and he's complaining about grass clippings? anyway, the white neighbor takes the 2 black landscapers to the side of the house and allegedly starts waiving a gun around and points it at one of the black landscapers. the two landscapers run to their cars. a 3rd brother (family, not urban slang) runs back to to confront the neighbor with what looks like a ar-15 type rifle and allegedly shoots the the white grass clip hating, shitty lawn having neighbor in the chest.

america loves guns so we are slowing going back to the wild west. i can't wait for gun duels on main street.

Based on that analysis I gotta vote NG. You don't wave a gun around to intimidate people because you have a tiny dick. You kill or be killed. He chose poorly.

3 hours ago, crash_davis said:

i can't wait for gun duels on main street.

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Love this episode. 

1 minute ago, Underdog said:

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Love this episode. 


shit, that’s the 50s.

today there would be a line of people with guns on either side like a Disneyland rollercoaster waiting their turn

4 hours ago, crash_davis said:

the white grass clip hating neighbor Waller is the one who complained to the landscapers (2 black gentlemen) about grass clippings getting into his shitty ass lawn. seriously his lawn looks like shit and he's complaining about grass clippings? anyway, the white neighbor takes the 2 black landscapers to the side of the house and allegedly starts waiving a gun around and points it at one of the black landscapers. the two landscapers run to their cars. a 3rd brother (family, not urban slang) runs back to to confront the neighbor with what looks like a ar-15 type rifle and allegedly shoots the the white grass clip hating, shitty lawn having neighbor in the chest.

america loves guns so we are slowing going back to the wild west. i can't wait for gun duels on main street.

Not that it really matters but the shooter(s) (the 3 brothers/landscapers) were black, the shootie was black (Waller, white tshirt/red shorts wearing disgruntled neighbor with lawn clippings in his driveway, who takes landscapers around the corner to threaten them with the pistol) and the other neighbor girl (who hired the landscapers) was the only white person involved.

2 minutes ago, davidg said:

Not that it really matters but the shooter(s) (the 3 brothers/landscapers) were black, the shootie was black (Waller, white tshirt/red shorts wearing disgruntled neighbor with lawn clippings in his driveway, who takes landscapers around the corner to threaten them with the pistol) and the other neighbor girl (who hired the landscapers) was the only white person involved.

i thought waller was white. 

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14 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Gott damn I wanna neg the fuck out y'all for using that ginger pricks image.  Still laughing though....

Sounds like someone brought a blade to a gun fight. 

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9 hours ago, crash_davis said:

i thought waller was white. 

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On 6/14/2021 at 10:13 PM, Nolacycling said:

St. Louis is in decline.

Is in? It has been in decline for a long time. Would never live there. 

23 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

If you wave a gun at someone, you just gave them an open invite to shoot you 

Yep, sure did

21 hours ago, RPM said:

Based on that analysis I gotta vote NG. You don't wave a gun around to intimidate people because you have a tiny dick. You kill or be killed. He chose poorly.

True. But if the story is accurate (which is highly questionable based on how poorly it's written), they didn't shoot as soon as he pulled the gun. They ran away, then another one of them returned with a gun and shot him. That's going to make the self-defense argument harder. 

4 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

True. But if the story is accurate (which is highly questionable based on how poorly it's written), they didn't shoot as soon as he pulled the gun. They ran away, then another one of them returned with a gun and shot him. That's going to make the self-defense argument harder. 

Harder?

On 6/14/2021 at 7:48 PM, TKthunder2 said:

I’ve read the story 3 times and I still don’t understand what happened.  Horrible reporting.

Lawn clipping blow over…

3 people walk over to neighbor’s house

Neighbor plus 3 people walk around the corner out of sight of the security camera

One of the neighbors runs away (unclear which one)

Someone (a 5th person?) walks from a truck with a gun

Who shot who and when?

And who's having sex with the hen?

How long will he sing the song?
But I won't heed the battle call

[waves white flag]

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Harder?
If you leave & then come back (or leave & then someone else comes over), you can't prove that your life was in danger.

You & the 3rd person (shooter that had been waiting in the vehicle) apparently had the ability to totally leave the scene.

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1 hour ago, ROFL BOX said:

If you leave & then come back (or leave & then someone else comes over), you can't prove that your life was in danger.

You & the 3rd person (shooter that had been waiting in the vehicle) apparently had the ability to totally leave the scene.

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I appreciate your explanation, but yeah, I'm aware of that.

My reply was sarcastic, intended to highlight that it's not only "harder" to make a self defense claim if you leave the scene safely, only to return with a weapon, it's basically impossible.  Or at least it should be.

Hope your weekend is fantastic.

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