July 7, 20214 yr Might they have been the greatest band of all time had they been allowed to continue? I simply ask because what they produced in a very short period rivaled what Zeppelin did in a similar period. Totally different music. But had they continued to do what they had done until that fateful night for years to come, just imagine. I’m listening to a A Simple Man and it it such a simply great song. And they hav em any of those. And what if they kept making them? Tragic. But a great band. Amongst rock’s very best.
July 7, 20214 yr I don't think they met Zep's musicianship, but in terms of songwriting, they were easily Zep's equals. Their debut is stunning.
July 7, 20214 yr In case anyone wonders, here are some of the bigger tunes off that debut: Tuesday's Gone Gimme Three Steps Simple Man Free Bird Uh, yeah.
July 7, 20214 yr Author 10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: In case anyone wonders, here are some of the bigger tunes off that debut: Tuesday's Gone Gimme Three Steps Simple Man Free Bird Uh, yeah. Give me back my bullet is way down on their list and so fucking good.
July 7, 20214 yr . . . and since you brought up the Zep comparison, I would suggest that the 3 biggest rock 'n' roll songs ever are Stairway to Heaven Free Bird Satisfaction Many would no doubt disagree, but who wouldn't have all 3 in their top 10? (In case it isn't clear, I am a huge Skynyrd fan).
July 7, 20214 yr Author 1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said: . . . and since you brought up the Zep comparison, I would suggest that the 3 biggest rock 'n' roll songs ever are Stairway to Heaven Free Bird Satisfaction Many would no doubt disagree, but who wouldn't have all 3 in their top 10? (In case it isn't clear, I am a huge Skynyrd fan). Your top 2 work for me. I have others that may work into #2. But Stairway is my number 1. And Free Bird is right there. 3 would be something different like “Your Song” or other EJ song
July 7, 20214 yr Said it many times on here but Steve Gaines was about to change the direction of that band. These two songs show where they were headed. Not sure Collins and Rossington would have stuck around for it, but it would have been fun to watch. Somewhere, there is a clip from the 77 show of them doing "I Know A Little" but Steve's version is eye-opening. The 77 show was 3 months before the plane crash. They were set to play in Ft. Worth for NYE of that year and my 15 yr old ass had tickets. You Got That Right Steve doing "I Know A Little" before joining Skynyrd
July 7, 20214 yr Johnny Van Zant should be in prison for the way he's bastardized his brother's legacy.
July 7, 20214 yr Author 1 hour ago, hullabelew said: Said it many times on here but Steve Gaines was about to change the direction of that band. These two songs show where they were headed. Not sure Collins and Rossington would have stuck around for it, but it would have been fun to watch. Somewhere, there is a clip from the 77 show of them doing "I Know A Little" but Steve's version is eye-opening. The 77 show was 3 months before the plane crash. They were set to play in Ft. Worth for NYE of that year and my 15 yr old ass had tickets. You Got That Right Steve doing "I Know A Little" before joining Skynyrd So free form jazz, a la Spinal Tap, Mark II?
July 7, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: I don't think they met Zep's musicianship, but in terms of songwriting, they were easily Zep's equals. Their debut is stunning. I would give them the nod over Zep as songwriters.
July 7, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, hullabelew said: Said it many times on here but Steve Gaines was about to change the direction of that band. These two songs show where they were headed. Not sure Collins and Rossington would have stuck around for it, but it would have been fun to watch. Somewhere, there is a clip from the 77 show of them doing "I Know A Little" but Steve's version is eye-opening. The 77 show was 3 months before the plane crash. They were set to play in Ft. Worth for NYE of that year and my 15 yr old ass had tickets. You Got That Right Steve doing "I Know A Little" before joining Skynyrd
July 7, 20214 yr Author 1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said: I would give them the nod over Zep as songwriters. That’s a bold statement. Zep’s catalog is almost unparalleled, maybe only by the Beatles or Stones.
July 7, 20214 yr That’s a bold statement. Zep’s catalog is almost unparalleled, maybe only by the Beatles or Stones.I love Zep, but in a debate about songwriting, their plagiarism can’t be ignored. Skynyrd was more original (as songwriters) and from a songwriting stand point there was much less fat.Zep fucking rocks, but so many of my favorite songs of theirs have ridiculous lyrics when compared to Skynyrd deftly tackling socio-political issues of the day and making classic rock radio singalongs out of them.
July 7, 20214 yr Author 3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said: I love Zep, but in a debate about songwriting, their plagiarism can’t be ignored. Skynyrd was more original (as songwriters) and from a songwriting stand point there was much less fat. Zep fucking rocks, but so many of my favorite songs of theirs have ridiculous lyrics when compared to Skynyrd deftly tackling socio-political issues of the day and making classic rock radio singalongs out of them. Listening to a little more Skynyrd this morning, and you maybe right. And what they did in such a short period really makes you wonder how far they could have taken it.
July 7, 20214 yr Just now, Sbbruin said: Listening to a little more Skynyrd this morning, and you maybe right. And what they did in such a short period really makes you wonder how far they could have taken it. Yeah, I don't mean to sound like I'm shitting on Zeppelin but there was way more "ooh baby baby" stuff and of course the Tolkien stuff, and Skynyrd is dropping shit like "Tuesday's Gone" on the first album and "Curtis Loew" on the second. And without getting too CR here, the fact that "Saturday Night Special" has hit anthem status is nothing short of an absolute testament to the song's quality given it's message, subject matter, and audience.
July 7, 20214 yr Zeppelin could have never penned a lyric and they'd still be one of the greatest bands ever. They're in the A1, untouchable tier of rock acts while I think Skynyrd. falls somewhere into whatever the next tier is. And I don't understand the weird plagiarism argument against LZ. No one that came before them sounded like them so pardon me if I don't give a shit if they stole a few licks or lyrics from other people. It's music... everyone steals from someone else to some degree and a huge amount of stuff is just a shamless rip of something else. I also think it's funny because I'm listening to Skynyrd's first album and it's fantastic but I also don't think it sounds the way it does without LZ existing.
July 7, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, ztejas said: Zeppelin could have never penned a lyric and they'd still be one of the greatest bands ever. They're in the A1, untouchable tier of rock acts while I think Skynyrd. falls somewhere into whatever the next tier is. And I don't understand the weird plagiarism argument against LZ. No one that came before them sounded like them so pardon me if I don't give a shit if they stole a few licks or lyrics from other people. It's music... everyone steals from someone else to some degree and a huge amount of stuff is just a shamless rip of something else. I also think it's funny because I'm listening to Skynyrd's first album and it's fantastic but I also don't think it sounds the way it does without LZ existing. I love LZ, but I'd say they did quite a bit more than just steal "a few licks or lyrics from other people." There is building on what someone else has done previously, and then there's failure to attribute a direct cop of someone's lyrics or music. Unfortunately, I think LZ engaged in the latter a few times. JMO. I love Skynyrd as well. However, I don't have them up in quite the same pantheon as the Beatles, Stones, Zep, etc. simply because I think those other bands were just a little more varied in the types of music they could play and excel at. Street Survivors and their first one are great, great albums though. And there was plenty to like on the albums in between. Edited July 7, 20214 yr by Carl Spackler
July 7, 20214 yr Love Skynyrd, Sweet home Alabama is in the top 10 of great rock songs of all time. For the best southern rock band I think you need to think about the Allman brothers though, with Skynyrd as a close second.
July 7, 20214 yr I only bring up the plagiarism because of the argument about their songwriting. Zep's plagiarism isn't at all relevant to their ability to rock balls and melt faces. To crib your point, Robert Plant could howl indecipherable bullshit and it would still be cool. But if you're debating these artists as songwriters, well, then the ability to write an original song is pretty god damned relevant. And Ronnie Van Zant was really, really, really good at writing songs, whereas Zeppelin wasn't that into that component of music really. Edited July 7, 20214 yr by Al_4_ISU
July 7, 20214 yr The zeppelin plagiarism argument is almost as fun as the Van Hagar debate.Regardless, fuck yes to Lynyrd Skynyrd. Always been on my very very short list.
July 7, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said: I only bring up the plagiarism because of the argument about their songwriting. Zep's plagiarism isn't at all relevant to their ability to rock balls and melt faces. To crib your point, Robert Plant could howl indecipherable bullshit and it would still be cool. But if you're debating these artists as songwriters, well, then the ability to write an original song is pretty god damned relevant. And Ronnie Van Zant was really, really, really good at writing songs, whereas Zeppelin wasn't that into that component of music really. That's fair. I think LZ wrote some really fucking good songs, though. I just played through LZ 1 and there's about 5 of them on there. 1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said: For the best southern rock band I think you need to think about the Allman brothers though, with Skynyrd as a close second. I agree with this. Allman brothers are closer to the highest echelon of rock than Skynyrd is imo but I could see either side of that one.
July 7, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, ztejas said: That's fair. I think LZ wrote some really fucking good songs, though. I just played through LZ 1 and there's about 5 of them on there. I agree with this. Allman brothers are closer to the highest echelon of rock than Skynyrd is imo but I could see either side of that one. The caliber of their musical talent was at a higher level. That's not always a deciding factor for me cause I fucking love Bob Dylan, and that dude can't sing a note, but they're just what I'd consider the best southern rock band, and it's Skynyrd next, but not too far behind. Obviously results vary.
July 7, 20214 yr If there's any doubt about the international power of Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Sweet Home Alabama... This should put that to rest. y2mate.com - leningrad_cowboys_red_army_choir_sweet_home_alabama_Jrg0X9H6FGU_360p.mp4 Edited July 7, 20214 yr by Onboard 2.0
July 7, 20214 yr LZ wrote a lot of great songs, which is why the plagiarism stuff was always baffling to me. Fucking great band -- great songs, great musicianship, one of the all-time frontmen, a guitar legend, a multi-instrumental wizard and arranger in Jones, and the amazing Bonham and his bass drum from Valhalla. One thing I always liked about Skynyrd was that they could occasionally broach some deep topics like death ("That Smell") or gun violence ("Saturday Night Special") while still getting you to shake your ass and without coming off as preachy.
July 7, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, retread said: The version of this on Second Helping is my favorite open highway driving song.
July 7, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said: The caliber of their musical talent was at a higher level. Yes. And this is generally how I place bands all time against each other. It's why I take AIC over Nirvana. But talent can be subjective and the more talented band isn't always the better one.
July 7, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said: The version of this on Second Helping is my favorite open highway driving song. It's right up there for me too. I got a speeding ticket driving to work 20 years ago with it blaring and the windows down. Worth it.
July 7, 20214 yr I’ve always been partial to this tune of theirs, especially with the opening’s drum fill.
July 7, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, Sbbruin said: Simple Man may be the best simple song ever. Just basic and pure. And great. Amazing that Van Zant wrote those lyrics at 24 or 25 years old.
July 7, 20214 yr Love the story of how Sweet Home Alabama was conceived. King/Rossington noodling around, and Ronnie goes down to the crick and comes up with the lyrics. 21:00 mark Edited July 7, 20214 yr by retread
July 7, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, Wade said: Amazing that Van Zant wrote those lyrics at 24 or 25 years old. Eh. Kind of typical for these people. There's some quote about having all the life experiences you need to write by that age or early 20s or something. Alanis wrote all of Jagged Little Pill at 21. Jackson Browne wrote These Days when he was like 17.
July 7, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, ztejas said: I think LZ wrote some really fucking good songs, though. I just played through LZ 1 and there's about 5 of them on there. Yeah, I realize Zep cribbed a lot of riffs and lyrics, but songs like "Kashmir" stand on their own. Quote I agree with this. Allman brothers are closer to the highest echelon of rock than Skynyrd is imo but I could see either side of that one. I'm completely opposite. I really don't find all that much interesting in the Allman Brothers. I mean, Greg & Duane et al were really good players, but their particular brand of southern rock doesn't reach me the same way as Skynyrd's does.
July 7, 20214 yr Author 5 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said: That Smell is a great tune also In college it may have been my favorite song. The first few cords just blow the doors off. And if you’ve seen theSkynyrd doc, Gary talks about how they wrote that song. Because he crashed a car into a tree completely wasted on coke and booze. Edited July 7, 20214 yr by Sbbruin
July 7, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Sbbruin said: In college it may have been my favorite song. The first few cords just blow the doors off. And if you’ve seen theSkynyrd doc, Gary talks about how they wrote that song. Because he crashed a car into a tree completely wasted on coke and booze. "Oak tree, you're in my way"
July 8, 20214 yr Generally country songs tell stories and rock songs express feelings. Given that, Gimme Three Steps is arguably the best country song ever
July 8, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, mr. sunshine said: Generally country songs tell stories and rock songs express feelings. Given that, Gimme Three Steps is arguably the best country song ever I said excuuuuuusse me. Always tought that was probably a true story of some kind. He was an alcoholic and violent, but probably knew when to run when facing down a barrel.
July 8, 20214 yr Author 1 hour ago, Wade said: "Oak tree, you're in my way" And he smashed right into that tree. What a great start to a song- whiskey bottles, and brand new cars that was back when the artists made bank on their albums. Buncha country hicks who played great music became rich very quickly. And with that comes so much trouble.
July 8, 20214 yr “Ive been riding a winning horse for a long, long time. Sometimes I wonder if it’s the end of the line.”Prophetic
July 8, 20214 yr Tuesdays Gone, maybe the most beautiful song they penned. Just one assholes opinion.
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