July 21, 20214 yr Putting this here because it is such a current event. I thought this podcast with Don and Sandra Samuels from Minneapolis was one of the best discussions of this topic I have ever listened to. It really brings a nuanced and multi-faceted approach to an issue so frequently discussed in black and white. I would recommend a taking a listen if you're actually serious about these issues. The first part features another guest ... think they're about 30' in or so but it is obvious who is who. The Megyn Kelly Show
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