August 22Aug 22 1 minute ago, mdmost said: We don't really know yet what the 6 random matchups will be but it makes sense if it is flipping around in some fashion the teams every school hasn't played the last 2 years, especially to get Texas and OU to play all the teams we haven't yet as SEC teams. For us our 2026 schedule might be: OU in Dallas (we're the away team I believe) @aggy Arkansas Auburn @Tennessee South Carolina Ole Miss @LSU Mizzou I'm not sure balancing the 6 random teams everyone faces won't take effect until 2028. To me, the balance criteria is so you don't get 3 traditional SEC powers as rivals. LSU, Bama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Texas, and OU would be in that category. I have a feeling OU won't be anywhere close to an SEC power.
August 22Aug 22 Author Just now, Deej said: I have a feeling OU won't be anywhere close to an SEC power. No but they were in the Big 12 and are a blueblood. They are still fairly marquee compared to others in the SEC.
August 22Aug 22 5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: Georgia, meth, democracy. You left off ripstop jeans
August 22Aug 22 13 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said: If you have weaker permanent rivals, all it means is that you get a steady rotation of stronger teams on the rest of the schedule. You can't hide in this conference any longer. When we beat Ohio State in 2006, I reminded some buckeyes before the game that we had to play Bama and that our 2006 Homecoming opponent was LSU….who won it all the year before and the year after. The buckeyes had been crowing about having defeated mighty Michigan in a close game - (although Michigan wound up losing in the Rose Bowl).
August 22Aug 22 2 minutes ago, mdmost said: No but they were in the Big 12 and are a blueblood. They are still fairly marquee compared to others in the SEC. And once upon a time, so was Pig. May the dirt burglars replicate Pig’s SEC football success.
August 22Aug 22 Now that we’re going to have 5 home conference games one year, and four the next, I hope they set it up so that the years we are home team in Dallas coincide with our five conference home game years. If they don’t, we’re going to have five conference games in DKR one year and three the next instead of four every year.
August 22Aug 22 1 minute ago, Ghost of NMAS said: Now that we’re going to have 5 home conference games one year, and four the next, I hope they set it up so that the years we are home team in Dallas coincide with our five conference home game years. If they don’t, we’re going to have five conference games in DKR one year and three the next instead of four every year. Need to just make sure our home nonconference against a P5 is in the year we play four conference home games. We can play away when we have 5 home noncon games.
August 22Aug 22 Author 5 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said: Now that we’re going to have 5 home conference games one year, and four the next, I hope they set it up so that the years we are home team in Dallas coincide with our five conference home game years. If they don’t, we’re going to have five conference games in DKR one year and three the next instead of four every year. I'd imagine this will be a consideration for Texas, OU, Florida, and Georgia. The SEC doesn't want those to go home and home.
August 22Aug 22 Author Just now, 'stache said: My hope is that OU goes the way of Nebraska, 'cause fuck them.
August 22Aug 22 If they're saying we'll play all SEC teams in a two year span, and assuming (maybe wrongly) that they'll try to schedule teams we didn't play the first two years, I'm imagining a schedule that looks something like this. 2026: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee. 2027: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Kentucky.
August 22Aug 22 Popular Post 27 minutes ago, Gatorubet said: When we beat Ohio State in 2006, I reminded some buckeyes before the game that we had to play Bama and that our 2006 Homecoming opponent was LSU….who won it all the year before and the year after. The buckeyes had been crowing about having defeated mighty Michigan in a close game - (although Michigan wound up losing in the Rose Bowl). I'm ... not sure LSU won the title in 2005, my man.
August 22Aug 22 Author I think they'll flip home and home with each team in 2 year segments. So we wouldn't play Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, and Mississippi State again until 2028. Someone is going to skip us as we haven't played 7 SEC teams yet (Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Mizzou, and Auburn) but we've recently played Alabama and LSU. Of those we owe LSU a trip to Baton Rouge. I'm not sure they would want to skip Texas and Bama playing again until 2028 but who knows. That might be where balance comes into play for both sides. Edited August 22Aug 22 by mdmost
August 22Aug 22 10 minutes ago, fellside said: If they're saying we'll play all SEC teams in a two year span, and assuming (maybe wrongly) that they'll try to schedule teams we didn't play the first two years, I'm imagining a schedule that looks something like this. 2026: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee. 2027: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Kentucky. Kentucky twice in 2027?
August 22Aug 22 11 minutes ago, fellside said: If they're saying we'll play all SEC teams in a two year span, and assuming (maybe wrongly) that they'll try to schedule teams we didn't play the first two years, I'm imagining a schedule that looks something like this. 2026: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee. 2027: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Kentucky. I think the simplest thing and what they’re going to do is pretend 2025 is year 1 of the rotation, 2026 is year 2. So everyone plays the same teams in 2026 as they did the prior 2 years. That gives the conference 2 years to come up with a new slate for everyone in 2027.
August 22Aug 22 Just now, Helobious said: I think the simplest thing and what they’re going to do is pretend 2025 is year 1 of the rotation, 2026 is year 2. So everyone plays the same teams in 2026 as they did the prior 2 years. That gives the conference 2 years to come up with a new slate for everyone in 2027. Of course you would think that.
August 22Aug 22 3 minutes ago, Helobious said: I think the simplest thing and what they’re going to do is pretend 2025 is year 1 of the rotation, 2026 is year 2. So everyone plays the same teams in 2026 as they did the prior 2 years. That gives the conference 2 years to come up with a new slate for everyone in 2027. This really makes no sense.
August 22Aug 22 14 minutes ago, closetojumping said: I'm ... not sure LSU won the title in 2005, my man. Yeah - well who did??? You??? <getting out sepuku sword>
August 22Aug 22 3 minutes ago, Gatorubet said: Yeah - well who did??? You??? <getting out sepuku sword> It's called sudoku and it's fancy.
August 22Aug 22 35 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said: Now that we’re going to have 5 home conference games one year, and four the next, I hope they set it up so that the years we are home team in Dallas coincide with our five conference home game years. If they don’t, we’re going to have five conference games in DKR one year and three the next instead of four every year. It will be 4-4-1 every yesr for us, ou, uf, and uga. Even this hayseed league will figure that out.
August 22Aug 22 I take nothing for granted. They'll probably set it up so that we have to be visitors in Dallas two years in a row in order to make it work.
August 22Aug 22 1 hour ago, mdmost said: Do people not get angry when their playoff bound NFL team loses to a conference teammate, possibly costing them home field advantage? Do those game mean less? Yes
August 22Aug 22 53 minutes ago, fellside said: If they're saying we'll play all SEC teams in a two year span, and assuming (maybe wrongly) that they'll try to schedule teams we didn't play the first two years, I'm imagining a schedule that looks something like this. 2026: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee. 2027: Arkansas, OU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Kentucky. I am thinking we don’t see Bama until 27 since we happened to play them right before we joined the SEC. It is an easy way to say Texas played all the SEC teams as quickly as possible.
August 22Aug 22 9 hours ago, tokamak said: Our three rivals are obvious and I don't give a single fuck about anyone else's three rivals. Of all the teams, Texas is far and away the easiest for all involved. Also easy call on who will complain the most no matter what. Edited August 22Aug 22 by BurntEyes
August 22Aug 22 2 hours ago, mdmost said: I'd imagine this will be a consideration for Texas, OU, Florida, and Georgia. The SEC doesn't want those to go home and home. The SEC has no control over those going home and home. And the four schools involved will push hard, if necessary, to be sure their perm games are 1-1-1. But, I don't think it will be necessary. 1 hour ago, Helobious said: I think the simplest thing and what they’re going to do is pretend 2025 is year 1 of the rotation, 2026 is year 2. So everyone plays the same teams in 2026 as they did the prior 2 years. That gives the conference 2 years to come up with a new slate for everyone in 2027. Why? That is just dumb.
August 22Aug 22 2 hours ago, mdmost said: We don't really know yet what the 6 random matchups will be but it makes sense if it is flipping around in some fashion the teams every school hasn't played the last 2 years, especially to get Texas and OU to play all the teams we haven't yet as SEC teams. For us our 2026 schedule might be: OU in Dallas (we're the away team I believe) @aggy Arkansas Auburn @Tennessee South Carolina Ole Miss @LSU Mizzou I'm not sure balancing the 6 random teams everyone faces won't take effect until 2028. To me, the balance criteria is so you don't get 3 traditional SEC powers as rivals. LSU, Bama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Texas, and OU would be in that category. Next tier is upstarts/decent teams like Ole Miss, Auburn, aggy, you could move Florida to this tier I guess. The final is the lower end of the SEC: Kentucky, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, Miss State, Vandy. It makes sense to give each team one of each. Again, this is all spitballing. We'll find out more later. There's no way we get 5 home games. With OU always at a neutral site, we will always have four true home games and four true away games. Same thing for Florida-Georgia. Anything else would be a scheduling clusterfuck.
August 22Aug 22 2 hours ago, Gatorubet said: And once upon a time, so was Pig. May the dirt burglars replicate Pig’s SEC football success. Largely agree, but Arkansas, despite some historical success was never a blue blood in anyone's book.
August 22Aug 22 1 minute ago, MaxHorn said: There's no way we get 5 home games. With OU always at a neutral site, we will always have four true home games and four true away games. Same thing for Florida-Georgia. Anything else would be a scheduling clusterfuck. This isn’t the Big 12. Adults run this conference, it will be done properly.
August 22Aug 22 2 minutes ago, Js1 said: This isn’t the Big 12. Adults run this conference, it will be done properly. So you don't think Orlando Community College, Panhandle Aggie and University of Tennessee Chattanooga are gonna be invited to join?
August 23Aug 23 7 hours ago, Deej said: "Sankey giving tu an easy schedule!" - aggy “Yep, they have one gimme every year.” aggy: “ You mean Arkansas?” ”Nope.”
August 23Aug 23 4 hours ago, gatormarc said: This really makes no sense. Don't try applying logic. Just nod, smile and move on. Edited August 23Aug 23 by BurntEyes
August 23Aug 23 a proper baseline for pairing discussions would include a thorough calculationof drive times from every campus to every other campus i also choose to rank the football 'strength' of each school based on that school's rank in all time wins, compared only to current FBS teams thus, i present you with: the Official Drive-sydney-carton-Crazy SEC pairing model TM 2025 The Legion of Dynamic Discord, Malabo, Equatorial Guinea round 1: take out the immovable objects Texas/0u bama/barn klan/klan aggy florida/georgia that leaves: aggy kentucky lsu missouri pig south carolina tennessee vandy use geography for the other 4 pairings to match the immovable objects: aggy/lsu kentucky/south carolina (because reasons) missouri/pig tennessee/vandy round 2: continue with geography - it doesn't have to be absolute on time/distance - but it must be regional this round the top half of the conference (listed based on all-time wins) picks who they 'want' from teams 9-16 in all-time wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records all time wins 1-8 3 alabama 5 Texas 6 0u 9 georgia 11 tennessee 12 lsu 14 barn 16 aggy all-time wins 9-16 20 florida 25 pig 33 missouri 40 klan 51 kentucky 54 south carolina 63 vandy 76 klan aggy top 8 choose in order: bama takes klan Texas takes pig (we should choose lsu but there is no way the league will let us have 3 pairings in the all-time top 8 with both 0u and lsu, so pig is the next 'makes most sense' choice) 0u takes missouri georgia takes (or is made to take) south carolina (because reasons) tennessee takes kentucky lsu takes florida barn takes vandy and they should thank the football gods for it aggy gets klan aggy and they should thank the football gods for it round 3 is a clusterfuck combination of league decisions, best geo, and reasons 5 Texas (paired w/ 6 0u & 25 pig), has to take 16 aggy by consolation and parasitic viral inhabitation, like breast larvae 20 florida (already paired w/ 9 georgia & 12 lsu) gets 54 south carolina (best geo, competitive balance, logical geo 25 pig (already paired w/ 33 missouri & 5 texas) gets 6 0u (best geo, and fixes competitive balance, tough 3rd pairing too bad so sad) 33 missouri (already paired w/ 25 pig & 6 0u) gets 51 kentucky (tied for next best geo w/ vandy, so has to be kentucky on competitive balance) so to recap the following 8 are set (lower composite = more difficult) 5 Texas 6/16/25 (composite: 47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (composite: 63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (composite: 93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (composite: 75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (composite: 44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (composite: 82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (composite: 98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (composite: 80) note that the median composite for the 8 that are sorted is 73 to this point 44 of 48 pairings make sense within the context of this model the last 4 pairings .... are likely contentious, but it's easy to see the outside/in method is needed last 8 teams remaining to assign their 3rd pairing & remaining geos ordered by distance: 3 alabama paired w/ 14 & 40 (54), geos: 76, 63, 9, 11, 12 9 georgia paired w/ 20 & 54 (64), geos: 11, 3, 63, 76 11 tennessee paired w/ 51 & 63 (104), going to have a very strong 3rd pairing, geos: 9, 3, 14, 76, 40, 12 12 lsu paired w/ 16 & 20 (36), geos: 76, 40, 3, 14, 63, 9, 11 14 barn paired w/ 3 & 63 (66), geos: 9, 76, 11, 63, 63, 40, 12 40 klan paired w/ 3 & 76 (79), geos: 63, 14, 12, 9, 11 63 vandy paired w/ 11 & 14 (25), needs a weaker 3rd pairing, geos: calcs probably not needed 76 klan aggy paired w/ 16 & 40 (36), geos: calcs probably not needed so composites at this stage are 54, 64, 104, 36, 66, 79, 25 and 36 sorted ascending we get 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 66, 79 and 104 recall the composite average for the sorted 8 is 73 outside/in method of addressing the last pairings would thus go in this order: 104, 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 79 and 66 11 tennessee 104: it's pretty clear that tennessee is going to have to play 3 bama or 9 georgia (for a final composite of 107 or 113) 63 vandy 25: they are going to have to play 40 klan or 76 klan aggy (for a final composite of 103 or 139) 12 lsu 36 and 76 klan aggy 36: let's see if one has to be taken to solve for geo or composite 3 bama 54: last 4? 9 georgia 64: last 4? 40 klan 79: last 4? 14 barn 66: last 4? so let's channel snakey.... 11 tennessee pairs with 9 georgia (best geo that's required for competitive balance + tv wants it) 12 lsu pairs with 40 klan (2nd best geo, + tv wants it) we are down to 3 bama 14 barn 63 vandy 76 klan aggy bama and barn already paired vandy already paired with barn klan aggy only one not paired with other 3 by default, these last 2 pairings are unavoidable: 3 bama pairs 63 vandy 14 barn pairs 76 klan aggy SO this model produces the following: 5 Texas 6/16/25 (47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (80) 3 alabama 14/40/63 (117) 9 georgia 11/20/54 (88) 11 tennessee 9/51/63 (123) 12 lsu 16/20/40 (76) 14 barn 3/63/76 (142) 40 klan 3/12/76 (91) 63 vandy 3/11/14 (28) 76 klan aggy 14/16/40 (70) sorted by (composite SoS), lower = harder, with pairings 63 Vanderbilt 3/11/14 (28): Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn 25 Arkansas 5/6/33 (44): Texas, 0u, Missouri 5 Texas 6/16/25 (48): 0u, aggy, pig 6 0u 5/25/33 (63): Texas, pig, Missouri 76 Mississippi State 14/16/40 (70): Auburn, aggy, MIssissippi 20 Florida 9/12/54 (75): Georgia, LSU, South Carolina 12 LSU 16/20/40 (76): aggy, Florida, Mississippi 54 South Carolina 9/20/51 (80): Georgia, Florida, Kentucky 33 Missouri 6/25/51 (82): 0u, pig, Kentuckee average = 82.375, 9 above, 7 below 9 Georgia 11/20/54 (88): Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina 40 Mississippi 3/12/76 (91): Alabama, LSU, Mississippi State 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93): Texas, LSU, Mississippi State 51 Kentucky 11/33/54 (98): Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina 3 Alabama 14/40/63 (117): Auburn, Mississippi, Vanderbilt 11 Tennessee 9/51/63 (123): Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt 14 Auburn 3/63/76 (142): Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State conclusions georgia, aggy, bama and tennessee can just shut the fuck up about anything for the next 10 years sorry vandy someone is going to end up as the punching bag in the first iteration and you're the private school - anchor down! dear pig: welcome to the pleasuredome to our friends from across the river: you'll figure out the new landscape and do justice to your history (snicker snicker) dear corndog: wanna go halves on bribing the b1g to take aggy so we can fuck on the reg? the one thing this model did not produce that will be bitched about is barn-georgia; vandy / south carolina, or tennessee / klan aggy would have to agree to a switch; i don't see tennessee agreeing to this as georgia is their only marquee game in this model; i suppose vandy and south carolina could agree to this, maybe? but it puts barn's feels ahead of rational geography; georgia and south carolina make sense; on the flip side columbia to nashville is only 7 hours; in this case vandy still has tenneessee and south carolina still has florida, so if it must be so.....
August 23Aug 23 26 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said: a proper baseline for pairing discussions would include a thorough calculationof drive times from every campus to every other campus i also choose to rank the football 'strength' of each school based on that school's rank in all time wins, compared only to current FBS teams thus, i present you with: the Official Drive-sydney-carton-Crazy SEC pairing model TM 2025 The Legion of Dynamic Discord, Malabo, Equatorial Guinea round 1: take out the immovable objects Texas/0u bama/barn klan/klan aggy florida/georgia that leaves: aggy kentucky lsu missouri pig south carolina tennessee vandy use geography for the other 4 pairings to match the immovable objects: aggy/lsu kentucky/south carolina (because reasons) missouri/pig tennessee/vandy round 2: continue with geography - it doesn't have to be absolute on time/distance - but it must be regional this round the top half of the conference (listed based on all-time wins) picks who they 'want' from teams 9-16 in all-time wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records all time wins 1-8 3 alabama 5 Texas 6 0u 9 georgia 11 tennessee 12 lsu 14 barn 16 aggy all-time wins 9-16 20 florida 25 pig 33 missouri 40 klan 51 kentucky 54 south carolina 63 vandy 76 klan aggy top 8 choose in order: bama takes klan Texas takes pig (we should choose lsu but there is no way the league will let us have 3 pairings in the all-time top 8 with both 0u and lsu, so pig is the next 'makes most sense' choice) 0u takes missouri georgia takes (or is made to take) south carolina (because reasons) tennessee takes kentucky lsu takes florida barn takes vandy and they should thank the football gods for it aggy gets klan aggy and they should thank the football gods for it round 3 is a clusterfuck combination of league decisions, best geo, and reasons 5 Texas (paired w/ 6 0u & 25 pig), has to take 16 aggy by consolation and parasitic viral inhabitation, like breast larvae 20 florida (already paired w/ 9 georgia & 12 lsu) gets 54 south carolina (best geo, competitive balance, logical geo 25 pig (already paired w/ 33 missouri & 5 texas) gets 6 0u (best geo, and fixes competitive balance, tough 3rd pairing too bad so sad) 33 missouri (already paired w/ 25 pig & 6 0u) gets 51 kentucky (tied for next best geo w/ vandy, so has to be kentucky on competitive balance) so to recap the following 8 are set (lower composite = more difficult) 5 Texas 6/16/25 (composite: 47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (composite: 63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (composite: 93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (composite: 75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (composite: 44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (composite: 82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (composite: 98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (composite: 80) note that the median composite for the 8 that are sorted is 73 to this point 44 of 48 pairings make sense within the context of this model the last 4 pairings .... are likely contentious, but it's easy to see the outside/in method is needed last 8 teams remaining to assign their 3rd pairing & remaining geos ordered by distance: 3 alabama paired w/ 14 & 40 (54), geos: 76, 63, 9, 11, 12 9 georgia paired w/ 20 & 54 (64), geos: 11, 3, 63, 76 11 tennessee paired w/ 51 & 63 (104), going to have a very strong 3rd pairing, geos: 9, 3, 14, 76, 40, 12 12 lsu paired w/ 16 & 20 (36), geos: 76, 40, 3, 14, 63, 9, 11 14 barn paired w/ 3 & 63 (66), geos: 9, 76, 11, 63, 63, 40, 12 40 klan paired w/ 3 & 76 (79), geos: 63, 14, 12, 9, 11 63 vandy paired w/ 11 & 14 (25), needs a weaker 3rd pairing, geos: calcs probably not needed 76 klan aggy paired w/ 16 & 40 (36), geos: calcs probably not needed so composites at this stage are 54, 64, 104, 36, 66, 79, 25 and 36 sorted ascending we get 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 66, 79 and 104 recall the composite average for the sorted 8 is 73 outside/in method of addressing the last pairings would thus go in this order: 104, 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 79 and 66 11 tennessee 104: it's pretty clear that tennessee is going to have to play 3 bama or 9 georgia (for a final composite of 107 or 113) 63 vandy 25: they are going to have to play 40 klan or 76 klan aggy (for a final composite of 103 or 139) 12 lsu 36 and 76 klan aggy 36: let's see if one has to be taken to solve for geo or composite 3 bama 54: last 4? 9 georgia 64: last 4? 40 klan 79: last 4? 14 barn 66: last 4? so let's channel snakey.... 11 tennessee pairs with 9 georgia (best geo that's required for competitive balance + tv wants it) 12 lsu pairs with 40 klan (2nd best geo, + tv wants it) we are down to 3 bama 14 barn 63 vandy 76 klan aggy bama and barn already paired vandy already paired with barn klan aggy only one not paired with other 3 by default, these last 2 pairings are unavoidable: 3 bama pairs 63 vandy 14 barn pairs 76 klan aggy SO this model produces the following: 5 Texas 6/16/25 (47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (80) 3 alabama 14/40/63 (117) 9 georgia 11/20/54 (88) 11 tennessee 9/51/63 (123) 12 lsu 16/20/40 (76) 14 barn 3/63/76 (142) 40 klan 3/12/76 (91) 63 vandy 3/11/14 (28) 76 klan aggy 14/16/40 (70) sorted by (composite SoS), lower = harder, with pairings 63 Vanderbilt 3/11/14 (28): Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn 25 Arkansas 5/6/33 (44): Texas, 0u, Missouri 5 Texas 6/16/25 (48): 0u, aggy, pig 6 0u 5/25/33 (63): Texas, pig, Missouri 76 Mississippi State 14/16/40 (70): Auburn, aggy, MIssissippi 20 Florida 9/12/54 (75): Georgia, LSU, South Carolina 12 LSU 16/20/40 (76): aggy, Florida, Mississippi 54 South Carolina 9/20/51 (80): Georgia, Florida, Kentucky 33 Missouri 6/25/51 (82): 0u, pig, Kentuckee average = 82.375, 9 above, 7 below 9 Georgia 11/20/54 (88): Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina 40 Mississippi 3/12/76 (91): Alabama, LSU, Mississippi State 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93): Texas, LSU, Mississippi State 51 Kentucky 11/33/54 (98): Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina 3 Alabama 14/40/63 (117): Auburn, Mississippi, Vanderbilt 11 Tennessee 9/51/63 (123): Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt 14 Auburn 3/63/76 (142): Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State conclusions georgia, aggy, bama and tennessee can just shut the fuck up about anything for the next 10 years sorry vandy someone is going to end up as the punching bag in the first iteration and you're the private school - anchor down! dear pig: welcome to the pleasuredome to our friends from across the river: you'll figure out the new landscape and do justice to your history (snicker snicker) dear corndog: wanna go halves on bribing the b1g to take aggy so we can fuck on the reg? the one thing this model did not produce that will be bitched about is barn-georgia; vandy / south carolina, or tennessee / klan aggy would have to agree to a switch; i don't see tennessee agreeing to this as georgia is their only marquee game in this model; i suppose vandy and south carolina could agree to this, maybe? but it puts barn's feels ahead of rational geography; georgia and south carolina make sense; on the flip side columbia to nashville is only 7 hours; in this case vandy still has tenneessee and south carolina still has florida, so if it must be so.....
August 23Aug 23 @Hagbard Celine You missed an important aspect of certain bitching. To make this as long winded as your method, let's play a game where it's pick the teams you play. With a singular exception, we'll create the order of selection one at a time going in descending order of most wins all time. A simple formula. Each team in the order, with a singular selection, gets one pick. Then after all have gone, we go back to the top of the selection order. Now, I mentioned an exception and there is method to my madness. It will help prove a point. The singular exception is aggie. To try, unsuccessfully, to reduce their crying, boycotts, and conspiracies about who plays who, we let them pick first. Not only that, we also allow them to have first 3 picks of the entire process out of order. Aggie would get the first, second and third pick of the teams they want as "protected" or their "pod". After that it would be Alabama with the fourth overall pick. Texas with the fifth, Georgia with the sixth and so forth through all time wins. Now, that is the most biased and preferential treatment a team could possibly be show in the process. It doesn't work for a lot of reason, but I'm again using it to illustrate a critical point. After aggie has selected all 3 of their picks, sometime during or just after Alabama pick, aggie would begin complaining the unfair bias of the selection process. At a guess, it would start with them second guessing their choices and claiming they shouldn't have been forced to make all 3 at once. They would then complain they should be able to trade because they might change their mind. Then they would likely bitch about whatever selection Bama made for reasons I'm not creative enough to dream up. They would then bitch about Texas getting the 5th pick because they are new to the SEC. They would also surely generate a conspiracy around the entire selection process being designed by Texas to damage Aggie's reputation. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point. Edited August 23Aug 23 by BurntEyes
August 23Aug 23 31 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said: a proper baseline for pairing discussions would include a thorough calculationof drive times from every campus to every other campus i also choose to rank the football 'strength' of each school based on that school's rank in all time wins, compared only to current FBS teams thus, i present you with: the Official Drive-sydney-carton-Crazy SEC pairing model TM 2025 The Legion of Dynamic Discord, Malabo, Equatorial Guinea round 1: take out the immovable objects Texas/0u bama/barn klan/klan aggy florida/georgia that leaves: aggy kentucky lsu missouri pig south carolina tennessee vandy use geography for the other 4 pairings to match the immovable objects: aggy/lsu kentucky/south carolina (because reasons) missouri/pig tennessee/vandy round 2: continue with geography - it doesn't have to be absolute on time/distance - but it must be regional this round the top half of the conference (listed based on all-time wins) picks who they 'want' from teams 9-16 in all-time wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records all time wins 1-8 3 alabama 5 Texas 6 0u 9 georgia 11 tennessee 12 lsu 14 barn 16 aggy all-time wins 9-16 20 florida 25 pig 33 missouri 40 klan 51 kentucky 54 south carolina 63 vandy 76 klan aggy top 8 choose in order: bama takes klan Texas takes pig (we should choose lsu but there is no way the league will let us have 3 pairings in the all-time top 8 with both 0u and lsu, so pig is the next 'makes most sense' choice) 0u takes missouri georgia takes (or is made to take) south carolina (because reasons) tennessee takes kentucky lsu takes florida barn takes vandy and they should thank the football gods for it aggy gets klan aggy and they should thank the football gods for it round 3 is a clusterfuck combination of league decisions, best geo, and reasons 5 Texas (paired w/ 6 0u & 25 pig), has to take 16 aggy by consolation and parasitic viral inhabitation, like breast larvae 20 florida (already paired w/ 9 georgia & 12 lsu) gets 54 south carolina (best geo, competitive balance, logical geo 25 pig (already paired w/ 33 missouri & 5 texas) gets 6 0u (best geo, and fixes competitive balance, tough 3rd pairing too bad so sad) 33 missouri (already paired w/ 25 pig & 6 0u) gets 51 kentucky (tied for next best geo w/ vandy, so has to be kentucky on competitive balance) so to recap the following 8 are set (lower composite = more difficult) 5 Texas 6/16/25 (composite: 47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (composite: 63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (composite: 93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (composite: 75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (composite: 44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (composite: 82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (composite: 98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (composite: 80) note that the median composite for the 8 that are sorted is 73 to this point 44 of 48 pairings make sense within the context of this model the last 4 pairings .... are likely contentious, but it's easy to see the outside/in method is needed last 8 teams remaining to assign their 3rd pairing & remaining geos ordered by distance: 3 alabama paired w/ 14 & 40 (54), geos: 76, 63, 9, 11, 12 9 georgia paired w/ 20 & 54 (64), geos: 11, 3, 63, 76 11 tennessee paired w/ 51 & 63 (104), going to have a very strong 3rd pairing, geos: 9, 3, 14, 76, 40, 12 12 lsu paired w/ 16 & 20 (36), geos: 76, 40, 3, 14, 63, 9, 11 14 barn paired w/ 3 & 63 (66), geos: 9, 76, 11, 63, 63, 40, 12 40 klan paired w/ 3 & 76 (79), geos: 63, 14, 12, 9, 11 63 vandy paired w/ 11 & 14 (25), needs a weaker 3rd pairing, geos: calcs probably not needed 76 klan aggy paired w/ 16 & 40 (36), geos: calcs probably not needed so composites at this stage are 54, 64, 104, 36, 66, 79, 25 and 36 sorted ascending we get 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 66, 79 and 104 recall the composite average for the sorted 8 is 73 outside/in method of addressing the last pairings would thus go in this order: 104, 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 79 and 66 11 tennessee 104: it's pretty clear that tennessee is going to have to play 3 bama or 9 georgia (for a final composite of 107 or 113) 63 vandy 25: they are going to have to play 40 klan or 76 klan aggy (for a final composite of 103 or 139) 12 lsu 36 and 76 klan aggy 36: let's see if one has to be taken to solve for geo or composite 3 bama 54: last 4? 9 georgia 64: last 4? 40 klan 79: last 4? 14 barn 66: last 4? so let's channel snakey.... 11 tennessee pairs with 9 georgia (best geo that's required for competitive balance + tv wants it) 12 lsu pairs with 40 klan (2nd best geo, + tv wants it) we are down to 3 bama 14 barn 63 vandy 76 klan aggy bama and barn already paired vandy already paired with barn klan aggy only one not paired with other 3 by default, these last 2 pairings are unavoidable: 3 bama pairs 63 vandy 14 barn pairs 76 klan aggy SO this model produces the following: 5 Texas 6/16/25 (47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (80) 3 alabama 14/40/63 (117) 9 georgia 11/20/54 (88) 11 tennessee 9/51/63 (123) 12 lsu 16/20/40 (76) 14 barn 3/63/76 (142) 40 klan 3/12/76 (91) 63 vandy 3/11/14 (28) 76 klan aggy 14/16/40 (70) sorted by (composite SoS), lower = harder, with pairings 63 Vanderbilt 3/11/14 (28): Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn 25 Arkansas 5/6/33 (44): Texas, 0u, Missouri 5 Texas 6/16/25 (48): 0u, aggy, pig 6 0u 5/25/33 (63): Texas, pig, Missouri 76 Mississippi State 14/16/40 (70): Auburn, aggy, MIssissippi 20 Florida 9/12/54 (75): Georgia, LSU, South Carolina 12 LSU 16/20/40 (76): aggy, Florida, Mississippi 54 South Carolina 9/20/51 (80): Georgia, Florida, Kentucky 33 Missouri 6/25/51 (82): 0u, pig, Kentuckee average = 82.375, 9 above, 7 below 9 Georgia 11/20/54 (88): Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina 40 Mississippi 3/12/76 (91): Alabama, LSU, Mississippi State 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93): Texas, LSU, Mississippi State 51 Kentucky 11/33/54 (98): Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina 3 Alabama 14/40/63 (117): Auburn, Mississippi, Vanderbilt 11 Tennessee 9/51/63 (123): Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt 14 Auburn 3/63/76 (142): Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State conclusions georgia, aggy, bama and tennessee can just shut the fuck up about anything for the next 10 years sorry vandy someone is going to end up as the punching bag in the first iteration and you're the private school - anchor down! dear pig: welcome to the pleasuredome to our friends from across the river: you'll figure out the new landscape and do justice to your history (snicker snicker) dear corndog: wanna go halves on bribing the b1g to take aggy so we can fuck on the reg? the one thing this model did not produce that will be bitched about is barn-georgia; vandy / south carolina, or tennessee / klan aggy would have to agree to a switch; i don't see tennessee agreeing to this as georgia is their only marquee game in this model; i suppose vandy and south carolina could agree to this, maybe? but it puts barn's feels ahead of rational geography; georgia and south carolina make sense; on the flip side columbia to nashville is only 7 hours; in this case vandy still has tenneessee and south carolina still has florida, so if it must be so.....
August 23Aug 23 13 minutes ago, Js1 said: Can I get a TLDR besides “look at how much of a life I don’t have?” In a shocking turn of events, he predicted that Texas ends up with OU, Arkansas and Aggie. Bama gets zero brand or blue bloods and South Carolina comes up the big winner with 2 brands, and Kentucky.
August 23Aug 23 1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said: a proper baseline for pairing discussions would include a thorough calculationof drive times from every campus to every other campus i also choose to rank the football 'strength' of each school based on that school's rank in all time wins, compared only to current FBS teams thus, i present you with: the Official Drive-sydney-carton-Crazy SEC pairing model TM 2025 The Legion of Dynamic Discord, Malabo, Equatorial Guinea round 1: take out the immovable objects Texas/0u bama/barn klan/klan aggy florida/georgia that leaves: aggy kentucky lsu missouri pig south carolina tennessee vandy use geography for the other 4 pairings to match the immovable objects: aggy/lsu kentucky/south carolina (because reasons) missouri/pig tennessee/vandy round 2: continue with geography - it doesn't have to be absolute on time/distance - but it must be regional this round the top half of the conference (listed based on all-time wins) picks who they 'want' from teams 9-16 in all-time wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records all time wins 1-8 3 alabama 5 Texas 6 0u 9 georgia 11 tennessee 12 lsu 14 barn 16 aggy all-time wins 9-16 20 florida 25 pig 33 missouri 40 klan 51 kentucky 54 south carolina 63 vandy 76 klan aggy top 8 choose in order: bama takes klan Texas takes pig (we should choose lsu but there is no way the league will let us have 3 pairings in the all-time top 8 with both 0u and lsu, so pig is the next 'makes most sense' choice) 0u takes missouri georgia takes (or is made to take) south carolina (because reasons) tennessee takes kentucky lsu takes florida barn takes vandy and they should thank the football gods for it aggy gets klan aggy and they should thank the football gods for it round 3 is a clusterfuck combination of league decisions, best geo, and reasons 5 Texas (paired w/ 6 0u & 25 pig), has to take 16 aggy by consolation and parasitic viral inhabitation, like breast larvae 20 florida (already paired w/ 9 georgia & 12 lsu) gets 54 south carolina (best geo, competitive balance, logical geo 25 pig (already paired w/ 33 missouri & 5 texas) gets 6 0u (best geo, and fixes competitive balance, tough 3rd pairing too bad so sad) 33 missouri (already paired w/ 25 pig & 6 0u) gets 51 kentucky (tied for next best geo w/ vandy, so has to be kentucky on competitive balance) so to recap the following 8 are set (lower composite = more difficult) 5 Texas 6/16/25 (composite: 47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (composite: 63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (composite: 93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (composite: 75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (composite: 44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (composite: 82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (composite: 98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (composite: 80) note that the median composite for the 8 that are sorted is 73 to this point 44 of 48 pairings make sense within the context of this model the last 4 pairings .... are likely contentious, but it's easy to see the outside/in method is needed last 8 teams remaining to assign their 3rd pairing & remaining geos ordered by distance: 3 alabama paired w/ 14 & 40 (54), geos: 76, 63, 9, 11, 12 9 georgia paired w/ 20 & 54 (64), geos: 11, 3, 63, 76 11 tennessee paired w/ 51 & 63 (104), going to have a very strong 3rd pairing, geos: 9, 3, 14, 76, 40, 12 12 lsu paired w/ 16 & 20 (36), geos: 76, 40, 3, 14, 63, 9, 11 14 barn paired w/ 3 & 63 (66), geos: 9, 76, 11, 63, 63, 40, 12 40 klan paired w/ 3 & 76 (79), geos: 63, 14, 12, 9, 11 63 vandy paired w/ 11 & 14 (25), needs a weaker 3rd pairing, geos: calcs probably not needed 76 klan aggy paired w/ 16 & 40 (36), geos: calcs probably not needed so composites at this stage are 54, 64, 104, 36, 66, 79, 25 and 36 sorted ascending we get 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 66, 79 and 104 recall the composite average for the sorted 8 is 73 outside/in method of addressing the last pairings would thus go in this order: 104, 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 79 and 66 11 tennessee 104: it's pretty clear that tennessee is going to have to play 3 bama or 9 georgia (for a final composite of 107 or 113) 63 vandy 25: they are going to have to play 40 klan or 76 klan aggy (for a final composite of 103 or 139) 12 lsu 36 and 76 klan aggy 36: let's see if one has to be taken to solve for geo or composite 3 bama 54: last 4? 9 georgia 64: last 4? 40 klan 79: last 4? 14 barn 66: last 4? so let's channel snakey.... 11 tennessee pairs with 9 georgia (best geo that's required for competitive balance + tv wants it) 12 lsu pairs with 40 klan (2nd best geo, + tv wants it) we are down to 3 bama 14 barn 63 vandy 76 klan aggy bama and barn already paired vandy already paired with barn klan aggy only one not paired with other 3 by default, these last 2 pairings are unavoidable: 3 bama pairs 63 vandy 14 barn pairs 76 klan aggy SO this model produces the following: 5 Texas 6/16/25 (47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (80) 3 alabama 14/40/63 (117) 9 georgia 11/20/54 (88) 11 tennessee 9/51/63 (123) 12 lsu 16/20/40 (76) 14 barn 3/63/76 (142) 40 klan 3/12/76 (91) 63 vandy 3/11/14 (28) 76 klan aggy 14/16/40 (70) sorted by (composite SoS), lower = harder, with pairings 63 Vanderbilt 3/11/14 (28): Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn 25 Arkansas 5/6/33 (44): Texas, 0u, Missouri 5 Texas 6/16/25 (48): 0u, aggy, pig 6 0u 5/25/33 (63): Texas, pig, Missouri 76 Mississippi State 14/16/40 (70): Auburn, aggy, MIssissippi 20 Florida 9/12/54 (75): Georgia, LSU, South Carolina 12 LSU 16/20/40 (76): aggy, Florida, Mississippi 54 South Carolina 9/20/51 (80): Georgia, Florida, Kentucky 33 Missouri 6/25/51 (82): 0u, pig, Kentuckee average = 82.375, 9 above, 7 below 9 Georgia 11/20/54 (88): Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina 40 Mississippi 3/12/76 (91): Alabama, LSU, Mississippi State 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93): Texas, LSU, Mississippi State 51 Kentucky 11/33/54 (98): Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina 3 Alabama 14/40/63 (117): Auburn, Mississippi, Vanderbilt 11 Tennessee 9/51/63 (123): Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt 14 Auburn 3/63/76 (142): Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State conclusions georgia, aggy, bama and tennessee can just shut the fuck up about anything for the next 10 years sorry vandy someone is going to end up as the punching bag in the first iteration and you're the private school - anchor down! dear pig: welcome to the pleasuredome to our friends from across the river: you'll figure out the new landscape and do justice to your history (snicker snicker) dear corndog: wanna go halves on bribing the b1g to take aggy so we can fuck on the reg? the one thing this model did not produce that will be bitched about is barn-georgia; vandy / south carolina, or tennessee / klan aggy would have to agree to a switch; i don't see tennessee agreeing to this as georgia is their only marquee game in this model; i suppose vandy and south carolina could agree to this, maybe? but it puts barn's feels ahead of rational geography; georgia and south carolina make sense; on the flip side columbia to nashville is only 7 hours; in this case vandy still has tenneessee and south carolina still has florida, so if it must be so..... HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!
August 23Aug 23 2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said: a proper baseline for pairing discussions would include a thorough calculationof drive times from every campus to every other campus i also choose to rank the football 'strength' of each school based on that school's rank in all time wins, compared only to current FBS teams thus, i present you with: the Official Drive-sydney-carton-Crazy SEC pairing model TM 2025 The Legion of Dynamic Discord, Malabo, Equatorial Guinea round 1: take out the immovable objects Texas/0u bama/barn klan/klan aggy florida/georgia that leaves: aggy kentucky lsu missouri pig south carolina tennessee vandy use geography for the other 4 pairings to match the immovable objects: aggy/lsu kentucky/south carolina (because reasons) missouri/pig tennessee/vandy round 2: continue with geography - it doesn't have to be absolute on time/distance - but it must be regional this round the top half of the conference (listed based on all-time wins) picks who they 'want' from teams 9-16 in all-time wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records all time wins 1-8 3 alabama 5 Texas 6 0u 9 georgia 11 tennessee 12 lsu 14 barn 16 aggy all-time wins 9-16 20 florida 25 pig 33 missouri 40 klan 51 kentucky 54 south carolina 63 vandy 76 klan aggy top 8 choose in order: bama takes klan Texas takes pig (we should choose lsu but there is no way the league will let us have 3 pairings in the all-time top 8 with both 0u and lsu, so pig is the next 'makes most sense' choice) 0u takes missouri georgia takes (or is made to take) south carolina (because reasons) tennessee takes kentucky lsu takes florida barn takes vandy and they should thank the football gods for it aggy gets klan aggy and they should thank the football gods for it round 3 is a clusterfuck combination of league decisions, best geo, and reasons 5 Texas (paired w/ 6 0u & 25 pig), has to take 16 aggy by consolation and parasitic viral inhabitation, like breast larvae 20 florida (already paired w/ 9 georgia & 12 lsu) gets 54 south carolina (best geo, competitive balance, logical geo 25 pig (already paired w/ 33 missouri & 5 texas) gets 6 0u (best geo, and fixes competitive balance, tough 3rd pairing too bad so sad) 33 missouri (already paired w/ 25 pig & 6 0u) gets 51 kentucky (tied for next best geo w/ vandy, so has to be kentucky on competitive balance) so to recap the following 8 are set (lower composite = more difficult) 5 Texas 6/16/25 (composite: 47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (composite: 63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (composite: 93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (composite: 75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (composite: 44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (composite: 82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (composite: 98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (composite: 80) note that the median composite for the 8 that are sorted is 73 to this point 44 of 48 pairings make sense within the context of this model the last 4 pairings .... are likely contentious, but it's easy to see the outside/in method is needed last 8 teams remaining to assign their 3rd pairing & remaining geos ordered by distance: 3 alabama paired w/ 14 & 40 (54), geos: 76, 63, 9, 11, 12 9 georgia paired w/ 20 & 54 (64), geos: 11, 3, 63, 76 11 tennessee paired w/ 51 & 63 (104), going to have a very strong 3rd pairing, geos: 9, 3, 14, 76, 40, 12 12 lsu paired w/ 16 & 20 (36), geos: 76, 40, 3, 14, 63, 9, 11 14 barn paired w/ 3 & 63 (66), geos: 9, 76, 11, 63, 63, 40, 12 40 klan paired w/ 3 & 76 (79), geos: 63, 14, 12, 9, 11 63 vandy paired w/ 11 & 14 (25), needs a weaker 3rd pairing, geos: calcs probably not needed 76 klan aggy paired w/ 16 & 40 (36), geos: calcs probably not needed so composites at this stage are 54, 64, 104, 36, 66, 79, 25 and 36 sorted ascending we get 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 66, 79 and 104 recall the composite average for the sorted 8 is 73 outside/in method of addressing the last pairings would thus go in this order: 104, 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 79 and 66 11 tennessee 104: it's pretty clear that tennessee is going to have to play 3 bama or 9 georgia (for a final composite of 107 or 113) 63 vandy 25: they are going to have to play 40 klan or 76 klan aggy (for a final composite of 103 or 139) 12 lsu 36 and 76 klan aggy 36: let's see if one has to be taken to solve for geo or composite 3 bama 54: last 4? 9 georgia 64: last 4? 40 klan 79: last 4? 14 barn 66: last 4? so let's channel snakey.... 11 tennessee pairs with 9 georgia (best geo that's required for competitive balance + tv wants it) 12 lsu pairs with 40 klan (2nd best geo, + tv wants it) we are down to 3 bama 14 barn 63 vandy 76 klan aggy bama and barn already paired vandy already paired with barn klan aggy only one not paired with other 3 by default, these last 2 pairings are unavoidable: 3 bama pairs 63 vandy 14 barn pairs 76 klan aggy SO this model produces the following: 5 Texas 6/16/25 (47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (80) 3 alabama 14/40/63 (117) 9 georgia 11/20/54 (88) 11 tennessee 9/51/63 (123) 12 lsu 16/20/40 (76) 14 barn 3/63/76 (142) 40 klan 3/12/76 (91) 63 vandy 3/11/14 (28) 76 klan aggy 14/16/40 (70) sorted by (composite SoS), lower = harder, with pairings 63 Vanderbilt 3/11/14 (28): Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn 25 Arkansas 5/6/33 (44): Texas, 0u, Missouri 5 Texas 6/16/25 (48): 0u, aggy, pig 6 0u 5/25/33 (63): Texas, pig, Missouri 76 Mississippi State 14/16/40 (70): Auburn, aggy, MIssissippi 20 Florida 9/12/54 (75): Georgia, LSU, South Carolina 12 LSU 16/20/40 (76): aggy, Florida, Mississippi 54 South Carolina 9/20/51 (80): Georgia, Florida, Kentucky 33 Missouri 6/25/51 (82): 0u, pig, Kentuckee average = 82.375, 9 above, 7 below 9 Georgia 11/20/54 (88): Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina 40 Mississippi 3/12/76 (91): Alabama, LSU, Mississippi State 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93): Texas, LSU, Mississippi State 51 Kentucky 11/33/54 (98): Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina 3 Alabama 14/40/63 (117): Auburn, Mississippi, Vanderbilt 11 Tennessee 9/51/63 (123): Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt 14 Auburn 3/63/76 (142): Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State conclusions georgia, aggy, bama and tennessee can just shut the fuck up about anything for the next 10 years sorry vandy someone is going to end up as the punching bag in the first iteration and you're the private school - anchor down! dear pig: welcome to the pleasuredome to our friends from across the river: you'll figure out the new landscape and do justice to your history (snicker snicker) dear corndog: wanna go halves on bribing the b1g to take aggy so we can fuck on the reg? the one thing this model did not produce that will be bitched about is barn-georgia; vandy / south carolina, or tennessee / klan aggy would have to agree to a switch; i don't see tennessee agreeing to this as georgia is their only marquee game in this model; i suppose vandy and south carolina could agree to this, maybe? but it puts barn's feels ahead of rational geography; georgia and south carolina make sense; on the flip side columbia to nashville is only 7 hours; in this case vandy still has tenneessee and south carolina still has florida, so if it must be so..... This is how algebra was done before the introduction of variables (x, y, z, etc)
August 23Aug 23 13 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said: a proper baseline for pairing discussions would include a thorough calculationof drive times from every campus to every other campus i also choose to rank the football 'strength' of each school based on that school's rank in all time wins, compared only to current FBS teams thus, i present you with: the Official Drive-sydney-carton-Crazy SEC pairing model TM 2025 The Legion of Dynamic Discord, Malabo, Equatorial Guinea round 1: take out the immovable objects Texas/0u bama/barn klan/klan aggy florida/georgia that leaves: aggy kentucky lsu missouri pig south carolina tennessee vandy use geography for the other 4 pairings to match the immovable objects: aggy/lsu kentucky/south carolina (because reasons) missouri/pig tennessee/vandy round 2: continue with geography - it doesn't have to be absolute on time/distance - but it must be regional this round the top half of the conference (listed based on all-time wins) picks who they 'want' from teams 9-16 in all-time wins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win–loss_records all time wins 1-8 3 alabama 5 Texas 6 0u 9 georgia 11 tennessee 12 lsu 14 barn 16 aggy all-time wins 9-16 20 florida 25 pig 33 missouri 40 klan 51 kentucky 54 south carolina 63 vandy 76 klan aggy top 8 choose in order: bama takes klan Texas takes pig (we should choose lsu but there is no way the league will let us have 3 pairings in the all-time top 8 with both 0u and lsu, so pig is the next 'makes most sense' choice) 0u takes missouri georgia takes (or is made to take) south carolina (because reasons) tennessee takes kentucky lsu takes florida barn takes vandy and they should thank the football gods for it aggy gets klan aggy and they should thank the football gods for it round 3 is a clusterfuck combination of league decisions, best geo, and reasons 5 Texas (paired w/ 6 0u & 25 pig), has to take 16 aggy by consolation and parasitic viral inhabitation, like breast larvae 20 florida (already paired w/ 9 georgia & 12 lsu) gets 54 south carolina (best geo, competitive balance, logical geo 25 pig (already paired w/ 33 missouri & 5 texas) gets 6 0u (best geo, and fixes competitive balance, tough 3rd pairing too bad so sad) 33 missouri (already paired w/ 25 pig & 6 0u) gets 51 kentucky (tied for next best geo w/ vandy, so has to be kentucky on competitive balance) so to recap the following 8 are set (lower composite = more difficult) 5 Texas 6/16/25 (composite: 47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (composite: 63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (composite: 93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (composite: 75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (composite: 44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (composite: 82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (composite: 98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (composite: 80) note that the median composite for the 8 that are sorted is 73 to this point 44 of 48 pairings make sense within the context of this model the last 4 pairings .... are likely contentious, but it's easy to see the outside/in method is needed last 8 teams remaining to assign their 3rd pairing & remaining geos ordered by distance: 3 alabama paired w/ 14 & 40 (54), geos: 76, 63, 9, 11, 12 9 georgia paired w/ 20 & 54 (64), geos: 11, 3, 63, 76 11 tennessee paired w/ 51 & 63 (104), going to have a very strong 3rd pairing, geos: 9, 3, 14, 76, 40, 12 12 lsu paired w/ 16 & 20 (36), geos: 76, 40, 3, 14, 63, 9, 11 14 barn paired w/ 3 & 63 (66), geos: 9, 76, 11, 63, 63, 40, 12 40 klan paired w/ 3 & 76 (79), geos: 63, 14, 12, 9, 11 63 vandy paired w/ 11 & 14 (25), needs a weaker 3rd pairing, geos: calcs probably not needed 76 klan aggy paired w/ 16 & 40 (36), geos: calcs probably not needed so composites at this stage are 54, 64, 104, 36, 66, 79, 25 and 36 sorted ascending we get 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 66, 79 and 104 recall the composite average for the sorted 8 is 73 outside/in method of addressing the last pairings would thus go in this order: 104, 25, 36, 36, 54, 64, 79 and 66 11 tennessee 104: it's pretty clear that tennessee is going to have to play 3 bama or 9 georgia (for a final composite of 107 or 113) 63 vandy 25: they are going to have to play 40 klan or 76 klan aggy (for a final composite of 103 or 139) 12 lsu 36 and 76 klan aggy 36: let's see if one has to be taken to solve for geo or composite 3 bama 54: last 4? 9 georgia 64: last 4? 40 klan 79: last 4? 14 barn 66: last 4? so let's channel snakey.... 11 tennessee pairs with 9 georgia (best geo that's required for competitive balance + tv wants it) 12 lsu pairs with 40 klan (2nd best geo, + tv wants it) we are down to 3 bama 14 barn 63 vandy 76 klan aggy bama and barn already paired vandy already paired with barn klan aggy only one not paired with other 3 by default, these last 2 pairings are unavoidable: 3 bama pairs 63 vandy 14 barn pairs 76 klan aggy SO this model produces the following: 5 Texas 6/16/25 (47) 6 0u 5/25/33 (63) 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93) 20 florida 9/12/54 (75) 25 pig 5/6/33 (44) 33 missouri 6/25/51 (82) 51 kentucky 11/33/54 (98) 54 south carolina 9/20/51 (80) 3 alabama 14/40/63 (117) 9 georgia 11/20/54 (88) 11 tennessee 9/51/63 (123) 12 lsu 16/20/40 (76) 14 barn 3/63/76 (142) 40 klan 3/12/76 (91) 63 vandy 3/11/14 (28) 76 klan aggy 14/16/40 (70) sorted by (composite SoS), lower = harder, with pairings 63 Vanderbilt 3/11/14 (28): Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn 25 Arkansas 5/6/33 (44): Texas, 0u, Missouri 5 Texas 6/16/25 (48): 0u, aggy, pig 6 0u 5/25/33 (63): Texas, pig, Missouri 76 Mississippi State 14/16/40 (70): Auburn, aggy, MIssissippi 20 Florida 9/12/54 (75): Georgia, LSU, South Carolina 12 LSU 16/20/40 (76): aggy, Florida, Mississippi 54 South Carolina 9/20/51 (80): Georgia, Florida, Kentucky 33 Missouri 6/25/51 (82): 0u, pig, Kentuckee average = 82.375, 9 above, 7 below 9 Georgia 11/20/54 (88): Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina 40 Mississippi 3/12/76 (91): Alabama, LSU, Mississippi State 16 aggy 5/12/76 (93): Texas, LSU, Mississippi State 51 Kentucky 11/33/54 (98): Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina 3 Alabama 14/40/63 (117): Auburn, Mississippi, Vanderbilt 11 Tennessee 9/51/63 (123): Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt 14 Auburn 3/63/76 (142): Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State conclusions georgia, aggy, bama and tennessee can just shut the fuck up about anything for the next 10 years sorry vandy someone is going to end up as the punching bag in the first iteration and you're the private school - anchor down! dear pig: welcome to the pleasuredome to our friends from across the river: you'll figure out the new landscape and do justice to your history (snicker snicker) dear corndog: wanna go halves on bribing the b1g to take aggy so we can fuck on the reg? the one thing this model did not produce that will be bitched about is barn-georgia; vandy / south carolina, or tennessee / klan aggy would have to agree to a switch; i don't see tennessee agreeing to this as georgia is their only marquee game in this model; i suppose vandy and south carolina could agree to this, maybe? but it puts barn's feels ahead of rational geography; georgia and south carolina make sense; on the flip side columbia to nashville is only 7 hours; in this case vandy still has tenneessee and south carolina still has florida, so if it must be so.....
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