July 28, 20214 yr Look forward to: New schedule, games will be either really high profile or so new that it's still exciting Rekindling old rivalries Increased competition in most sports More engaged fans. SEC fans seem to know and love their sports Not being associated with baylor Playing aggy on Tday Watching J Guilbeau cover Boise st wide receivers Not looking forward to: SEC chants in DKR. Please don't do this unless it's to mock aggy. Miss: ?? Edited July 28, 20214 yr by closetohumping
July 28, 20214 yr Good: First time since 1919 to have OU, pigs, and aggy in the same conference as us More games against LSU, Bama, and Georgia More games at Ole Miss No more round robin + conference championship game No more football against KU, KSU, or WVU SEC conference baseball Bad: SEC chants Losing pounding TTU and BU regularly, which are easy enough to drive to for a weekend ISU now that they got good OU vs OSU - Bedlam - at least as as component for conference standings KU vs UT basketball No longer run the conference Remains to be seen: Divisions or pods Don't move the Texas-OU game out of the Cotton Bowl stadium Edited July 28, 20214 yr by n64ra
July 28, 20214 yr This move has to happen. It was never "if", but "when". After the SCOTUS forced the NCAA to abdicate amateurism rules (of which NIL is only the first domino), the rules of college football are changing. Nothing we can do about it. If we want to play the game at the highest level (I know we haven't in a few years, but that's a different post), then we're going to have to change with it. The SEC is currently the closest thing to the semi-pro game. I think the SEC itself will shortly (in the next 5 years) undergo further change, but again, another post. I wish this weren't the case. The Big 12 plays fascinating (if not always high level) football. The relationships between everyone in the State of Texas makes water-cooler talk passionate. The shared history won't easily be replaced. This isn't about money. It's only mostly about recruiting. The Big 12 was never stable even with Texas anchoring it. ISU getting a different offer or WVU leaving would have also killed it. For all the good things in the Big 12, it was the State of Texas and a couple of states that no one lives in. You can't run a conference on that. The best time to change jobs is when you don't have to. When the "big boys" reconfigure the amateurism rules for college football, the conversation will start with the SEC. The Texas Athletic Department is, like it or not, the most massive star in that particular galaxy. They have to have a seat at the table.
July 28, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Tylerocks said: Good: Better home schedule, better/new road trip opps Bad: Dealing with SEC fans Pretty much this exactly.
July 28, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said: This move has to happen. It was never "if", but "when". After the SCOTUS forced the NCAA to abdicate amateurism rules (of which NIL is only the first domino), the rules of college football are changing. Nothing we can do about it. If we want to play the game at the highest level (I know we haven't in a few years, but that's a different post), then we're going to have to change with it. The SEC is currently the closest thing to the semi-pro game. I think the SEC itself will shortly (in the next 5 years) undergo further change, but again, another post. I wish this weren't the case. The Big 12 plays fascinating (if not always high level) football. The relationships between everyone in the State of Texas makes water-cooler talk passionate. The shared history won't easily be replaced. This isn't about money. It's only mostly about recruiting. The Big 12 was never stable even with Texas anchoring it. ISU getting a different offer or WVU leaving would have also killed it. For all the good things in the Big 12, it was the State of Texas and a couple of states that no one lives in. You can't run a conference on that. The best time to change jobs is when you don't have to. When the "big boys" reconfigure the amateurism rules for college football, the conversation will start with the SEC. The Texas Athletic Department is, like it or not, the most massive star in that particular galaxy. They have to have a seat at the table. Solid post, except for the third paragraph. It's ALL about money. Secondarily it's about power vis a vis other schools and conferences and the networks, and the NCAA or its successors. But the power flows mostly from the money. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by TwiceHorn
July 28, 20214 yr Good: basically everything. Better conference, the hangers on/rape apologists/small market teams riding our coattails for the past decade get put where they belong in a mid major conf Bad: SEC fans and Pawwwwwl etc. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by 936horn
July 28, 20214 yr Good: New teams coming into DKR and new teams to play every year Great away trips for fans Better recruiting since the "not in the SEC" excuse goes away The program isn't leading any longer and is just one of 16, no longer having to carry the weight or get the blame from the others in the conference No more football games against Kansas Playing aggy and Arkansas again Watching some in the Big 12 scramble for lifeboats (looking at your Baylor) Big 12 officiating soon no longer being a concern and/or excuse for why we lose a game No more Tim Brando! Bad: Thin skinned Texas fans worrying about what the others in the SEC and the national media are saying or thinking about us The latest hot online rumor about how big mean Texas wants X now SEC fans doing SEC things at DKR Having to deal with aggy and Arkansas again SEC Rant and Texaggy threads being constantly posted on here SEC officiating now being a reason/excuse why we lose a game Based on how the division are set up, not getting to play cool teams in the East for a long time like Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by mdmost
July 28, 20214 yr Finebaum show callers. Those are our new rivals. I'm not sure how bad or good that is, I'm still processing it. edit: I doubt it happens but LSU or Pig on Thanksgiving instead of aggy would be epic. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by GringoSalado
July 28, 20214 yr Author 42 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said: This move has to happen. It was never "if", but "when". After the SCOTUS forced the NCAA to abdicate amateurism rules (of which NIL is only the first domino), the rules of college football are changing. Nothing we can do about it. If we want to play the game at the highest level (I know we haven't in a few years, but that's a different post), then we're going to have to change with it. The SEC is currently the closest thing to the semi-pro game. I think the SEC itself will shortly (in the next 5 years) undergo further change, but again, another post. I wish this weren't the case. The Big 12 plays fascinating (if not always high level) football. The relationships between everyone in the State of Texas makes water-cooler talk passionate. The shared history won't easily be replaced. This isn't about money. It's only mostly about recruiting. The Big 12 was never stable even with Texas anchoring it. ISU getting a different offer or WVU leaving would have also killed it. For all the good things in the Big 12, it was the State of Texas and a couple of states that no one lives in. You can't run a conference on that. The best time to change jobs is when you don't have to. When the "big boys" reconfigure the amateurism rules for college football, the conversation will start with the SEC. The Texas Athletic Department is, like it or not, the most massive star in that particular galaxy. They have to have a seat at the table. This is a good post. But, I think a Texas/ou anchor would've kept the big 12 alive until shit hit the fans, like 16 team conferences. ISU or WVU leaving would've made no impact. BYU or UCF probably would've been similar in value. I could care less about our history with most of these schools. Just ou. Forgot to add this as a bad: I will miss Gus and Joel Klatt doing our games. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by closetohumping
July 28, 20214 yr The chances of playing in a snow game have significantly dropped. The storm troopers in the snow are a thing of beauty.
July 28, 20214 yr Good: New rivalries/conjuring old rivalries. A chance to beat A&M by more than 77. OU/TX game stays intact. New recruiting opportunities. A chance to compete at the top and dominate the mid-tier SEC schools who think we have no chance because it’s oh so difficult. Cut ties with inferior athletic programs. Not playing at 11am every week. Bad: Moving out of comfort zone of a conference we have dominated since its inception. Having to listen to my brother-in-law give me OSU football updates from that weeks exciting American Athletic Conference action.
July 28, 20214 yr Excited for more high-profile, high-upside games in big rowdy venues. Hopeful about the prospect of improving recruiting even beyond where it has been by having a bigger presence through the whole deep south and Florida, losing fewer in-state targets to Tech/TCU/Baylor, and taking away Aggy's best sales pitch. Will miss the round robin and the wild, funslingin' Big 12 full of plucky underdog teams that have a history of punching above their weight. Sad to see the landscape of college football shifting away from a place where there are a zillion teams and an upstart school like KSU or Okie Lite or Tech or TCU can catch lightning in a bottle and go on a run and get into the top 5. Where we could see something like Baylor and TCU both being ranked in the top 10 and having a completely bonkers shootout for the ages where Baylor wins 61-58 after being down 21 points with 10 minutes left. It feels like things are rapidly shifting towards an NFL-style model where all the money and talent and opportunity will flow to a much smaller set of teams concentrated into a couple of megaconferences. I'm glad to be one of the teams on that's "in," but the chaos and the diversity and the sheer scope of CFB has always been a lot of what I love about it.
July 28, 20214 yr Good: Watching A&M sink back to the mean without any recruiting advantages Watching the national narrative on Texas change quickly once they realize that we can go toe to toe with every team in the conference Keeping the OU/TX rivalry intact, including location Ridding ourselves of the LHN albatross and the stigma that created Removing the last possible barrier to returning to an elite level of recruiting Watching Baylor, TCU, and KSU's programs implode Fun road games and some awesome regular season matchups Bad: Having to host aggy at DKR and sully the stadium Having to listen to aggy complain about every thing we do again Some of the roadtrips will suck. Who wants to go to Starkville? Listening to a year of Texas ruined college football narrative, and we aren't ready for the SEC bullshit.
July 28, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Constant said: Good: New rivalries/conjuring old rivalries. A chance to beat A&M by more than 77. OU/TX game stays intact. New recruiting opportunities. A chance to compete at the top and dominate the mid-tier SEC schools who think we have no chance because it’s oh so difficult. Cut ties with inferior athletic programs. Not playing at 11am every week. Bad: Moving out of comfort zone of a conference we have dominated since its inception. Having to listen to my brother-in-law give me OSU football updates from that weeks exciting American Athletic Conference action. The SEC types might need to watch their asses about OU recruiting. They have a good west coast pipeline already. If they can position themselves as the defacto SEC school on the west coast, that might improve. They already get some players out of Florida but they've never been able to get into the south. If they can do that while keep the CA, TX, and FL pipelines, that's a helluva footprint.
July 28, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: The SEC types might need to watch their asses about OU recruiting. They have a good west coast pipeline already. If they can position themselves as the defacto SEC school on the west coast, that might improve. They already get some players out of Florida but they've never been able to get into the south. If they can do that while keep the CA, TX, and FL pipelines, that's a helluva footprint. We shall see. Been pretty successful in Florida at certain positions, but have had no luck pulling in any big ol/dl out of the south. Having a good first year in the league is paramount. Have to put all mid/low tier schools in their place.
July 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said: Solid post, except for the third paragraph. It's ALL about money. Secondarily it's about power vis a vis other schools and conferences and the networks, and the NCAA or its successors. But the power flows mostly from the money. NIL. Now that amateur college athletics is officially dead, where do recruits want to build their brand? For many, it's going to be the highest earning years of their life, and the money isn't coming from alumni or ticket sales. The Kardashination of athletics is officially underway. Austin? Norman? NOLA? South Beach? Atlanta? Eventually Texas will dominate on the field but recruiting will be 100% about eyeballs in Dallas, Houston, Austin, and the suburbs in-between. Edited July 28, 20214 yr by BearSchlong
July 28, 20214 yr Author 9 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: The SEC types might need to watch their asses about OU recruiting. They have a good west coast pipeline already. If they can position themselves as the defacto SEC school on the west coast, that might improve. They already get some players out of Florida but they've never been able to get into the south. If they can do that while keep the CA, TX, and FL pipelines, that's a helluva footprint. I think ou leads for a couple of high profile Georgia kids in 22 or 23.
July 28, 20214 yr Good:1. new road trips to towns that give a shit about football, stadium experience will be turned up to 11 when Longhorns visit..not to mention DKR hosting some compelling matchups more frequently.2. A major sports network endlessly pumping the conference to the entire country..skewing perception.3. aggy can no longer use SEC! SEC! against us in recruiting, and they've spent the past 10 years singing the SEC praises in Texas, we won't have to do a thing other than mention we're now part of it, then move on to pumping our program. Oh, and tears..lots of toxic but still sweet aggy tears.4. SEC shorts on YT. They can be quite funny and clever sometimes, looking forward to Texas and BlowU being featured a lot now..good or bad, it's humor.Bad:1. I was really hoping to never play aggy again unless it's a bowl game they couldn't gracefully dodge. Is anyone truly looking forward to a Collie Station road trip?2. A major sports network pumping the conference to the entire country. Even if we benefit at some point, it still gives me eye rolls[emoji849]4. Dumb as fuck inbred SEC fans, most of whom have never stepped foot on a college campus unless attending a game.
July 28, 20214 yr For sure it’s this. Who wouldn’t miss this shit league blatantly screwing us when we drove a good chunk of their revenue?
July 28, 20214 yr I just wish we were a string program that actually won meaningful games. The Big 12 didn’t help us, maybe the SEC will.
July 28, 20214 yr There is no downside here for me. Exchanging SEC chants, SEC mouthbreathing fans, and an occasional road trip to Starkville for having to carry a boring conference with no leadership, indifferent fanbases, and everyone blaiming Texas for whatever is wrong in their lives is good trade. On the good side: -Rivalry games every year with Arkansas, ATM, and OU will be fucking awesome. -State hegemony being permanently reestablished over little brother and all of their administrative and fanbase handwringing. -Getting the ability to troll them in very public, viral and national ways because their buttons are easily pushed and the effort is worth it. Stay tuned. -Ending the SEC recruiting imbalance in-state. -A conference that cares and that Texas doesn't have to carry. Sorry dipshits claiming Texas will try to run the conference - UT has 100 years of fatigue from carrying a bunch of also-ran schools on its back to keep shit together (not talking about obvious programs that don't fit that like OU). -Way better conference match-ups. -Not cringing about people trying to brag about the conference, defend it, or show comradery within it. Sorry, never liked the conference and happy to see it collapse. -Witnessing karmic retribution to Baylor for Teaff's last game, the bullshit of them using politics to join the Big 12, trying to shut down Texas leaving now, running a fucking rape factory, and murdering a basketball player and then trying to cover it up. Not a better bunch of pompous, thankless, entitled shit heads to be handed their head for the rest of their athletic future. Fuck that school and their programs. -Getting to see KSU, one of the great coattail riders of all time, headed towards a rightful position in the FCS alongside Grand Valley State. -No more Tillman/Brando sillines. -I never wanted to play Arkansas or ATM again, but with this turn of events, I'm happy to see both again, and for different reasons. Maybe this helps Arkansas become relevant again. I am assuming until shown otherwise that ATM continues to wile away in irrelevance and we proactively continue to aid in that. I could go on for days, but fuck me, this is all good.
July 28, 20214 yr I will miss jack shit about the Big 12. All the other teams in conference ever did were bitch about Texas. I hope the “Ungrateful 8” burn to the ground and are forced to have games once a year on “ESPN-the Ocho” with the other niche sports like “lumberjack challenge” & “yard darts”. I’m looking forward to going back to “the Grove”, heading to Athens, checking out Gainesville etc Edited July 28, 20214 yr by BrazilHorn
July 28, 20214 yr good: better opponents (but see texum sec university's 2020 schedule) bad: the billionty threads this is generating on here the ugly: ou Edited July 28, 20214 yr by elfenix
July 28, 20214 yr Author 19 minutes ago, bigcigar said: For sure it’s this. Who wouldn’t miss this shit league blatantly screwing us when we drove a good chunk of their revenue? Uh. Yea. That’s another good thing. No more freeloaders complaining about the free lunches we provided
July 28, 20214 yr There is no downside. To add to what others have said, for me it's seeing the asshole Baylor and TCU get face fucked by all this. Those two fanbases talked more massive amounts of shit than almost any other. Especially TCU during their runs, starting with Charlie's teams. I hope each choke or massive sausages of shit and get relegated to the MAC or WAC.
July 28, 20214 yr Good - money, open season for NIL - more interesting games - someone else can hopefully beat OU other than us - recruiting bumps - laughing at aggy across all axis of measure - piggy - playoff expansion opportunity - tossing baylor into the toilet , again - Texas credited with blowing up another conference, can't wait till we're blamed for blowing up the PAC and ACC Mixed - not running the conference. I hope this lets Texas focus on sports while we regroup and inevitably take it back over - feel mixed, not bad mind you, for Tech , OSU, and ISU - Bad - politicians wasting time on football instead of fixing the fucking power grid
July 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, closetojumping said: -No more Tillman/Brando sillines. Oh…that’s a great one.
July 28, 20214 yr I live in St. Louis now that I am retired so I can spend the next few years driving my grandchildren to various practices so the good things are Great road trips within 400 miles - Columbia. Oxford, Nashville and Fayetteville. This is close enough for trips to watch baseball and volleyball. Not having to keep the most expensive tier of DirecTV so I can get the LHN Pushing Mizzou's shit in every year so I don't have to listen to all their whining, they are almost as bad as eATMe What will I miss about the Big XII? Nothing!
July 28, 20214 yr Good: home game schedule should improve immensely and we’ll consequently have more home game atmospheres like the LSU and USC games. Bad: Influx of mouthbreathing SEC posters from SECrant/Tigerdroppings and TexAgs
July 28, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, mdmost said: Based on how the division are set up, not getting to play cool teams in the East for a long time like Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida. Playing these SEC East bluebloods and rekindling aggy and pig rivalries are what I'm most looking forward to. More helmet games
July 28, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Thermos H. Christ said:It feels like things are rapidly shifting towards an NFL-style model where all the money and talent and opportunity will flow to a much smaller set of teams concentrated into a couple of megaconferences. I'm glad to be one of the teams on that's "in," but the chaos and the diversity and the sheer scope of CFB has always been a lot of what I love about it. This is where I am. For better or worse, CFB is going to only be played at the highest level by teams that have massive “sports fans” followings. There will be no room left for teams that rely on alumni and a few hometown backers. And really, we can stop using “team” and “school” interchangeably, the distance between AD and university will only grow. Is this good for the sport of football? I don’t know. I am doubtful. How long will there be interest in what is basically junior NFL and what will the cost be of losing all the alumni of schools like Tech who fall to ACU-type levels of interest now that their teams aren’t even theoretically in the mix?
July 28, 20214 yr not looking forward to everyone under the sun start sentences with "SEC level ..." whether talking about recruits or physical attribute of a current player etc... This was done because we were losing ground in recruiting, right? So looking forward to UT bagmen and bagwomen to start making SEC level payola to the recruits. Shit, i just did it
July 28, 20214 yr Selfishly from Texas perspective, this is a good move. But overall, I am afraid college football is losing the "college" aspect. By relegating dozens of P5 and more outside of P5 to secondary status outside of SEC and whatever BIG decides to do, the college following along with the fanfare associated with football at each college suffers a severe setback. If there is no kinship and association to college football, SEC-BIG slugfest is just a junior NFL that is relevant to only a couple of dozen colleges. 100+ other campuses may just tune out. Keeping the changing landscape in mind, I wish the bigwigs (Texas/OU (B12), ND, SEC, BIG, PAC, etc.) had got together and worked out what is best for college football rather than focusing on how to grab a bigger slice of the pie for themselves. I am afraid that the pie may lose its flavor in the long run.
July 28, 20214 yr better - beating Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida - more whining from Collie Station worse - losing to Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida - not having UT/OU being the game of the year in the conference year after year after year different - being the newbie in the conference, and not having the influence and power to run the show
July 28, 20214 yr I will miss having a conference with no aggy. I will miss beating the tortilla wasters. I will miss having players protected by the refs (SEC lets all kinds of late hits and dirty play go on).
July 28, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, GoldAppleCorps said: This move has to happen. It was never "if", but "when". After the SCOTUS forced the NCAA to abdicate amateurism rules (of which NIL is only the first domino), the rules of college football are changing. Nothing we can do about it. If we want to play the game at the highest level (I know we haven't in a few years, but that's a different post), then we're going to have to change with it. The SEC is currently the closest thing to the semi-pro game. I think the SEC itself will shortly (in the next 5 years) undergo further change, but again, another post. I wish this weren't the case. The Big 12 plays fascinating (if not always high level) football. The relationships between everyone in the State of Texas makes water-cooler talk passionate. The shared history won't easily be replaced. This isn't about money. It's only mostly about recruiting. The Big 12 was never stable even with Texas anchoring it. ISU getting a different offer or WVU leaving would have also killed it. For all the good things in the Big 12, it was the State of Texas and a couple of states that no one lives in. You can't run a conference on that. The best time to change jobs is when you don't have to. When the "big boys" reconfigure the amateurism rules for college football, the conversation will start with the SEC. The Texas Athletic Department is, like it or not, the most massive star in that particular galaxy. They have to have a seat at the table. 4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said: Solid post, except for the third paragraph. It's ALL about money. Secondarily it's about power vis a vis other schools and conferences and the networks, and the NCAA or its successors. But the power flows mostly from the money. These two posts pretty much sum up my thoughts. I suppose whether or not you think that makes this a good move is subjective. And maybe from the perspective of power/money/Texas Football, Inc. it is. But personally, I'm not excited about this move at all. I hate basically everything about it other than playing Arkansas regularly again.
July 28, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, closetohumping said: SEC chants in DKR. Anyone that does this should be pistol whipped.
July 28, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, closetohumping said: Look forward to: New schedule, games will be either really high profile or so new that it's still exciting Rekindling old rivalries Increased competition in most sports More engaged fans. SEC fans seem to know and love their sports Not being associated with baylor Playing aggy on Tday Watching J Guilbeau cover Boise st wide receivers Not looking forward to: SEC chants in DKR. Please don't do this unless it's to mock aggy. Miss: ?? I will punch a motherfucker in the face at DKR if they participate in an “SEC” chant. My two diplomas are from the University of Texas, not the University of Conference…
July 28, 20214 yr Look forward to: Competent conference leadership Being overrated and reaping the benefits The 1 out of 100 SEC fans who come here and are intelligent and entertaining Stability and not worrying about our next conference Not looking forward to: The 99 out of 100 SEC fans who come here and suck Moving to a weaker basketball conference SEC Network Will miss: Longhorn Network - some people around here are nuts, LHN is awesome. Baseball games all season, etc. Losing it will suck. Best and deepest basketball conference in the country Local nature of our conference my entire life, I hate the national trend but it's not going to stop
July 28, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, n64ra said: Good: First time since 1919 to have OU, pigs, and aggy in the same conference as us More games against LSU, Bama, and Georgia More games at Ole Miss No more round robin + conference championship game No more football against KU, KSU, or WVU SEC conference baseball Bad: SEC chants Losing pounding TTU and BU regularly, which are easy enough to drive to for a weekend ISU now that they got good OU vs OSU - Bedlam - at least as as component for conference standings KU vs UT basketball No longer run the conference Remains to be seen: Divisions or pods Don't move the Texas-OU game out of the Cotton Bowl stadium Being in the SEC will have 0 bearing on that either way.
July 28, 20214 yr One thing I'm really happy to see is that this administration understands what Texas is and how to leverage it. Need a head coach? Go get the best one currently on the market. Need a staff? Go give your coach a blank check. If it doesn't work out, do it again in a few years. Go build the biggest fucking stadium you can. Rest of the conference holding you back? Walk your big golden balls to the SEC and drop them directly on the Commissioner's desk. We don't have a lot of recent football success, but we do have a fucking preposterous amount of money, and it's about time we started acting like the big rich baddie that everyone seems to think we are anyway.
July 28, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, Ignatius said: I will punch a motherfucker in the face at DKR if they participate in an “SEC” chant. My two diplomas are from the University of Texas, not the University of Conference… Yeah, I agree with this as well. I have the same take on this that Jim Cornette had on ECW. "Oh great, I just fuckin' fractured my suprailiac, broke my fuckin' leg and shoved a fuckin' wooden spike up my taint, and they're not chanting "Jim Jim Jim," they're chanting' ECW?! Fuckin' stupid!"
July 29, 20214 yr Pros: Less and fewer shitty football games on TV in general... because that is what this is all about. Cons: There are some SEC teams that need to get their shit together, too.
July 29, 20214 yr I’m most looking forward to having leadership at the very top of the program. Having confidence in Jay, CDC and Eltife will be a welcome departure from the past 10+ years. Could it finally be that the “Big 3” sports finally click at the same time at UT when women’s sports are also coming together? If so, Jay, CDC and Kevin will have accomplished something many have tried and few have achieved.
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