October 13, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: Well, we’ve played lsu, wvu, osu, and ou, so im not shocked. We’ll improve that number in the next 2-3 weeks WVU sucks, OSU is very average.
October 13, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said: TO defense is very reminiscent of the previous DCs, where each week an offense star is made and our defense is dumbfounded. Pooka is on his way to town. 2 minutes ago, dcar00 said: WVU sucks, OSU is very average. This.
October 13, 20196 yr 34 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said: We will see. A lot can change in two months. For both teams. OU played great yesterday. Very impressed. Ah yes, the old “we’re only going to get better and they’re going to get worse” line. 20 years of that tripe with respect to OU. We were right about 3 times.
October 13, 20196 yr I didn't go through this whole thread, so sorry if already discussed, but... I think i was MOST disappointed in the lack of effort. So many missed tackles due to a lack of aggressiveness. Look at Lamb's runs after the catch - just ridiculous how many guys he ran through On the flea flicker play, it was like guys were just standing around waiting for someone else to initiate contact. Dare I say it, this D staring to look like what Mike Stoops left OU with tow years ago.
October 13, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Cajun said: I don't want Orlando gone, yet, but I sure as shit want some BIG changes and no one outside of TH and Orlando should be safe. We're back to the "wethering storms" mentality it appears. Unfuckingbelievable I want him gone. this scheme is either too hard to teach or too hard to execute, and that is against shitty O's. bye felicia.
October 13, 20196 yr This is the Charlie argument all over again. One side is using facts and the other side is using excuses. Facts: Defense ranking in 100s 2 years in a row. No sign of improvement. Every dogshit QB and team puts up Heisman numbers on us every single week. WVU is not good. OSU is not good. Scheme has proven to not work. No pressure on QB. Can’t contain edge. 3rd and 17 vs LSU. Tackling is bad. DBs keep getting hurt because they have to tackle people twice their size all the time. Excuses: We faced OU and LSU. Maybe our highly rated recruits actually suck. We are everyone’s Super Bowl. It’s the players fault. Of X didn’t happen, then we wouldn’t suck so bad.
October 13, 20196 yr I'm tired of being proud of our losses. Who gives a shit how difficult your schedule is if you lose to all the good teams on that schedule.
October 13, 20196 yr Herman didn't make very good hires across the board for whatever reason. More damning was that this was not addressed after year 1 or 2.
October 13, 20196 yr 43 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: Well, we’ve played lsu, wvu, osu, and ou, so im not shocked. We’ll improve that number in the next 2-3 weeks Kansas will get that number. Heck Pooka likely to have 200 yds on the ground and 100 yds in the air himself.
October 13, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said: Orlando did a borderline excellent job yesterday. If u would have told me that we would hold OU to 10 points in the first half yesterday, i woulda laughed my ass off ultimately, bad tackling and not defending the zone read/handoff play cost us the game on D. But so far this year, Orlando isnt even in the top 5 biggest problems this team has Not having a OC is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more concerning, but yall are so focused on a whipping boy who is doing his best with a defense that is a veritable MASH unit You and I have very, very different definitions of the word "excellent."
October 13, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, El Hornarino said: Herman didn't make very good hires across the board for whatever reason. More damning was that this was not addressed after year 1 or 2. Never going to happen after year 1, he tried to sell the Meh/Warehime OC/OL combo but no one was dumb enough to take it. Both should have been replaced after last year. Tried to get Drayton and Orlando HC jobs and they were at best, courtesy interviews. The sugar bowl clouded his judgement, I hope we are living through Coach Herman's maturation as a HC and we continue to see improvements. Not getting any quality analyst for Orlando this offseason is another mistake. Coach puts too much stress on himself by not hiring A's. When you hire B's and C's, that is bad leadership.
October 13, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, NowThis said: how many of the staff are direct rollovers from UH? IIRC, I think Warehime, Giles, Orlando, Naviar, Washington and Yancy were all at UH. Beck was at OSU, Drayton was with the Bears, Mehringer was with Rutgers, Meekins was in high school.
October 13, 20196 yr He has to learn from the Strong debacle that changes are gonna have to come... he cant just ride with this staff... or he’ll be fired in a few years
October 13, 20196 yr Orlando’s gotta go at the end of the season. We were all hoping he would be hired away at the end of last season. This defense is so fucking shitty. Again.
October 13, 20196 yr WVU had 41 yards rushing(190 total offensive yards) yesterday against Iowa State. As a team. Let that number sink in. Forty one yards.“Well it’s obviously because Iowa st has recruited superior defensive linemen to Texas” - surly experts.
October 13, 20196 yr 8 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said: IIRC, I think Warehime, Giles, Orlando, Naviar, Washington and Yancy were all at UH. Beck was at OSU, Drayton was with the Bears, Mehringer was with Rutgers, Meekins was in high school. Meekins was at uh. Beck was getting run out of osu as was Mehringer out of Rutgers. Drayton has the personality of a military prep school Dean. Remember how Rick could make guys forget how to dribble, Drayton has the same mindfucking skill. Edited October 13, 20196 yr by Goodman
October 13, 20196 yr What’s hilarious is that on the recruiting boards we’d all been very frustrated with Giles because he wasn’t landing top linemen. This year so far he’s landed them all and now Surly talks about getting rid of everyone but Giles. Maybe Orlando gets his shit together. I’ve been saying it until I’m blue in the face. In my opinion If he would stick four down linemen out there with the ends crashing outside, tackles inside, and 2 lbs or 1 lb and one DB filling gaps we would be way better on defense. I’d rather see 4-1-6 than 3-2-6.
October 13, 20196 yr 8 minutes ago, Goodman said: Meekins was a uh. Beck was getting run out of osu as was Mehringer out of Rutgers. Drayton has the personality of a military prep school Dean. Other than Orlando not a single person Herman has hired has been missed from their previous job. Even after coaching at Texas and winning a sugar bowl we couldn’t even pawn off some of these coaches to the FCS level. That’s should tell you the value of the staff we currently have. Edited October 13, 20196 yr by Not a Sock
October 13, 20196 yr Orlando needs to go. Ossai being 40 yards down the field in coverage on Lamb was as abysmal as anything Diaz and Bedford showed at Texas.
October 13, 20196 yr Orlando needs to go. Ossai being 40 yards down the field in coverage on Lamb was as abysmal as anything Diaz and Bedford showed at Texas.i yelled at that cloud...
October 13, 20196 yr the entire situation reminds me of 2013 with Diaz and calling in Greg Robinson to simplify things - which immediately improved things.
October 13, 20196 yr Nothing will happen to Orlando mid season, but I wouldn’t be mad about it. But I don’t think we even have another defensive coach that could be interim DC
October 13, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, dcar00 said: I want him gone. this scheme is either too hard to teach or too hard to execute, and that is against shitty O's. bye felicia. I'm not saying I couldn't be convinced.
October 13, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, Hard Times said: This needs to be pasted on the forehead of every coach and player on the Texas team. Pasted? You're too kind. Edited October 13, 20196 yr by Cajun
October 13, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said: Orlando’s gotta go at the end of the season. We were all hoping he would be hired away at the end of last season. This defense is so fucking shitty. Again. Ash and Aranda at the top of the list? Any other names?
October 13, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said: Ash and Aranda at the top of the list? Any other names? No clue. Doubt Aranda would leave LSU. But Orlando needs to go bye bye
October 13, 20196 yr One coach in this series had the balls to fire his DC mid-season. That team has made a night and day improvement in less than a year.
October 13, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, Js1 said: Eh, it's just bending, guys! This defense is designed to bend.
October 13, 20196 yr Todd starting to add Charlie Strong like seasons into the University record books. The bad numbers are starting to look overwhelming
October 13, 20196 yr Those of you saying it's just injuries and youth need to head over to the run defense thread (with gifs). We have alignments and edge responsibilities that basically cede 10 yards to the offense before the ball is even snapped, coupled with seniors not knowing what to do and blowing assignments. That's not the kind of stuff that just fixes itself with time.
October 13, 20196 yr “Well it’s obviously because Iowa st has recruited superior defensive linemen to Texas” - surly experts. Don’t forget the part where our coaches could devise a superior game plan and make strategic halftime adjustments but we *could* still lose.
October 13, 20196 yr I was defending TO after the LSU game. After we slowed down OSU (ST mistakes aside), I thought that at least we had a solid run defense and our DBs would get better with experience and maturity. After re-watching mush of yesterday's game and looking at the damning statistics (missed tackles, yards given up per play, lack of QB contain, etc.), I admit my initial angle was way off (pun intended). Our defenders could not contain Hurts and took terrible angles all day long. The missed tackles (especially against Lamb) were straight up embarrassing. BJ Foster looked like a fucking idiot, having made those pregame comments. In the times we were able to contain and pressure Hurts, he made several bad throws, including a pick. The capability was always there, but the training and the sound game plan was not. The lack of development of fundamental skills is 100% on the coaching. TO, Washington, and Naviar are all clearly neglecting the basics. Youth can only be an excuse against the likes of LSU, where their WR's are all physical specimen. Does anyone remember how the likes of Quandre Diggs and Carrington Byndom looked in 2011(before the Diaz effect took place)? They made some mistakes, but they did not look stupid in Big12 play. Yesterday's defense did enough to keep us in the game. But with better coaching and development, they could have done enough to win us the game.
October 14, 20196 yr 511 total yards -- 195 due to missed tackles 21 total first downs -- 7 due to missed tackles 34 total points -- 14 due to missed tackles (the two Lamb TDs) How sad is that?
October 14, 20196 yr Why is it that every time we have a new DC our defense kicks ass? Diaz year one,, Robinson turnaround, Bedford year one, Orlando year one... j guess what I’m saying is name Chris Ash interim DC right now and then hire whoever next year and keep them on a short leash.
October 14, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, Elmer_Fudd said: Ash and Aranda at the top of the list? Any other names? Heacock from Iowa State.
October 14, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, blackflag said: One coach in this series had the balls to fire his DC mid-season. That team has made a night and day improvement in less than a year. He did it and still made the playoffs. Simple and tackle. That's all you need to do.
October 14, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, satyanash said: 511 total yards -- 195 due to missed tackles 21 total first downs -- 7 due to missed tackles 34 total points -- 14 due to missed tackles (the two Lamb TDs) How sad is that? That’s um, embarrassing. Gtfo Todd
October 14, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, Thermos H. Christ said: Why is it that every time we have a new DC our defense kicks ass? Diaz year one,, Robinson turnaround, Bedford year one, Orlando year one... j guess what I’m saying is name Chris Ash interim DC right now and then hire whoever next year and keep them on a short leash. Year 1 they always keep it simple... Year 2 they always make it too complicated
October 14, 20196 yr On 10/12/2019 at 8:19 PM, orangecat92 said: I understand our D is ranked number 128. So, it will finish number 100-110 ish, if we're lucky. Doesn't Tom have to sit down with CDC and evaluate coaches at the end of the season? How does he justify keeping the architect of number 100 ish? yeah, using yards given up is a terrible measure for the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness by a defense - this isn't 1970. advanced statistics give us a much better view of how good or bad generally a defense is and includes things like backing out garbage time (who cares if you give up a 75 yard drive with your 2nd and 3rd teamers out there in a game when you are up 40 points?), adjusting for the quality of offenses you play (getting smoked by OU is different than getting smoked by San DIego State), and the tempo of said offenses (Army and Washington State play at drastically different speeds) S&P+ has the Texas defense at #66 (#5 offense) FEI has the Texas defense at #48 (#8 offense) there are plenty of reasons to shit on Orlando and plenty of ammo to do so - but using antiquated statistics for measuring how actually good or bad a defense is is a poor way to do so. shit on Texas for being #66 overall in defense - when they should be better. there is a reason we don't use batting average or RBI to represent how actually good or bad a player was in Baseball anymore, it is the same way in football...
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