March 25, 20187 yr Roster: Matt Coleman Andrew Jones Kerwin Roach Dylan Osetkowski Jericho Sims Jase Febres Royce Hamm Elijah Long Gerald Liddell Kemaka Hepa Jaxson Hayes Brock Cunningham Edit: James Banks should be on here too, for now. Edit 2: No more Banks Edited April 10, 20187 yr by Machinator
March 25, 20187 yr So did Banks officially announce his transfer? Not unexpected; I must've missed it amid the recent drama and confusion.
March 25, 20187 yr Author 20 minutes ago, Machinator said: Current roster: Matt Coleman Andrew Jones Kerwin Roach Dylan Osetkowski Jericho Sims Jase Febres Royce Hamm Elijah Long Gerald Liddell Kemaka Hepa Jaxson Hayes Brock Cunningham James Banks Fixed
March 25, 20187 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said: So did Banks officially announce his transfer? Not unexpected; I must've missed it amid the recent drama and confusion. No, I forgot to include him, and whatever the time limit for editing posts has passed.
March 25, 20187 yr Hopefully we can shoot better this year. I'm not sure anything else will matter if we don't
March 26, 20187 yr I feel like Banks is most likely gone next year anyways. Didn't think he was all that bad in the play time he got this year though.
March 26, 20187 yr Exactly--that's why I asked Mach if I just missed his transfer announcement or something. His man-on-man defense was serviceable. He got lost on switches, screens, rotations, etc., but who didn't? Definitely could've used more of him than we saw, imo.
March 26, 20187 yr I think Banks will be gone before the season starts, and Hamm could go with him. Both have been recruited over IMO.
March 26, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, cashman said: I feel like Banks is most likely gone next year anyways. Didn't think he was all that bad in the play time he got this year though. What playing time? Shaka used him as mostly bench fodder . . .
March 26, 20187 yr Wish list for next year: 1) team runs an offense besides stand around for a long time then someone goes iso 2) febres and one other guy become legit lights out trey bomb threats 3) DO spends less time at the buffet and more time in the high post, block and short corner. I really like his inside game. Not so much the last half of the season when Shaka had him stand on the perimeter and jack up threes all night.
March 26, 20187 yr 5 hours ago, Majorcholas said: Wish list for next year: 1) team runs an offense besides stand around for a long time then someone goes iso 2) febres and one other guy become legit lights out trey bomb threats 3) DO spends less time at the buffet and more time in the high post, block and short corner. I really like his inside game. Not so much the last half of the season when Shaka had him stand on the perimeter and jack up threes all night. You're gonna be super fucking disappointed.
March 26, 20187 yr 15 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said: Exactly--that's why I asked Mach if I just missed his transfer announcement or something. His man-on-man defense was serviceable. He got lost on switches, screens, rotations, etc., but who didn't? Definitely could've used more of him than we saw, imo. Banks isn't very mobile defensively and really doesn't have much game offensively. As another poster said in this thread, I think Banks has pretty much been recruited over. Banks isn't getting minutes over Sims or Osetkowski next year. At best he will be splitting minutes with Hepa and Hayes who will likely steal his minutes later in the season. Edited March 26, 20187 yr by texasstrong12
March 26, 20187 yr 7 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said: Banks isn't very mobile defensively and really doesn't have much game offensively. As another poster said in this thread, I think Banks has pretty much been recruited over. Banks isn't getting minutes over Sims or Osetkowski next year. At best he will be splitting minutes with Hepa and Hayes who will likely steal his minutes later in the season. I would say we need him for depth but then I remember the Duke game where Shaka opted to have the then-eligible Eric Davis guard Marvin Bagley in OT.
March 26, 20187 yr Unless Banks improves pretty significantly I don't know that he would be any better than the freshmen coming in. In that case let the freshmen play to gain experience. Banks should have played more this year though. At the least he could have spelled Osetkowski some and allowed to Bamba to play on the perimeter where he seemed to want to be.
March 26, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, UT Lawnghorn said: I would say we need him for depth but then I remember the Duke game where Shaka opted to have the then-eligible Eric Davis guard Marvin Bagley in OT. This and exactly this.
March 26, 20187 yr Banks was at SDSU this past weekend, and unless he has family out there it seems plausible that he was on a visit.
March 26, 20187 yr I would like to take Carr. We need some PG depth, especially with Davis going. Coleman was good but he played too many minutes IMO. Then again, Shaka seems to love going 7 or 8 deep which is maddening so maybe Coleman wouldn’t get any more rest time even with Carr and the other transfer who’s name I forgot in the fold.
March 27, 20187 yr Author Copying this across from the previous site. For people wanting an idea of what to expect from Elijah Long: Soph. year games against quality competition ('16-'17): #20 WV: 14 points, 0-2 threes, 4-4 FT, 5 rebounds, 4 assists #20 Iowa State: 19 points, 2-3 threes, 7-8 FT, 7 rebounds, 4 assists Minnesota: 11 points, 0-2 threes, 1-4 FT, 5 rebounds, 2 assists UT Arlington: 27 points, 3-3 threes, 4-4 FT, 5 rebounds, 5 assists #25 Michigan: 13 points, 1-3 threes, 2-2 FT, 7 rebounds, 3 assists Arkansas: 24 points, 2-4 threes, 10-10 FT, 7 rebounds, 7 assists #1 Villanova: 10 points, 2-9 threes, 2-3 FT, 2 rebounds, 4 assists That's 16.9 PPG, 38.5% beyond the arc, 85.7% from the line, 5.4 RPG, and 4.1 APG.
March 27, 20187 yr Author ^And for people wondering if those numbers have a chance at translating at all, this is what I found looking at Osetkowski's stats during the two most recent seasons he played: DO sophomore year, quality opponents only. "Quality opponents" are defined as P5 opponents as well as any other team that was in the KenPom top 100 that season. 10.9 PPG, 31.1 MPG, 43.9% overall shooting, 29.2% BTA, 72.6% FT shooting, 7.61 RPG, 2.44 turnovers per game, 1.11 APG So it actually corresponded very well to his numbers at Texas this season (I was too lazy to strip out the cupcakes): 13.4 PPG, 35.2 MPG, 40.0% overall shooting, 28.8% BTA, 72.1% FT shooting, 7.2 RPG, 2.2 turnovers per game, 1.2 APG
March 27, 20187 yr Anyone know if Marcus Carr is any good? Also, do we really want to use a scholarship on a player who has to sit out a year when we seemingly already have too many players.
March 27, 20187 yr Judging the roster by experience, Shaka's first class is a bit of a bust with Jacob Young transferring, James Banks on the bench, and Andrew Jones health issues. It means we're still a young team next year as well: Dylan Osetkowski - RS Senior Kerwin Roach - True Senior Elijah Long - RS Junior James Banks - True Junior Matt Coleman - True Soph Jericho Sims - True Soph Jase Febres - True Soph Royce Hamm - True Soph Gerald Liddell - True Fresh Kemaka Hepa - True Fresh Jaxson Hayes - True Fresh Brock Cunningham - True Fresh Andrew Jones - ? Eric Davis - ?
March 27, 20187 yr I believe Jones will be playing and will probably be better than ever. The rest of the team? I have no idea.
March 27, 20187 yr 7 hours ago, Bort said: Anyone know if Marcus Carr is any good? Also, do we really want to use a scholarship on a player who has to sit out a year when we seemingly already have too many players. Supposedly eligible immediately otherwise I would agree. I would prefer he find a big man instead of a guard though.
March 27, 20187 yr 6 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said: I believe Jones will be playing and will probably be better than ever. The rest of the team? I have no idea. Dr Bombay says he recovers. Book it.
March 27, 20187 yr 8 minutes ago, Machinator said: Assuming he's doing it for the feedback, it's the right move. Yep, you can do it once without penalty. Every Jr. kid on the bubble like Roach should declare. On Banks, he and Sims are the only true C's on the roster and Hayes is in the same boat as them. Big athlete that has limited to no offensive skill set. How has he been recruited over? Edited March 27, 20187 yr by Mike "Wags" Wagner
March 27, 20187 yr 32 minutes ago, Mike "Wags" Wagner said: Yep, you can do it once without penalty. Every Jr. kid on the bubble like Roach should declare. On Banks, he and Sims are the only true C's on the roster and Hayes is in the same boat as them. Big athlete that has limited to no offensive skill set. How has he been recruited over? Not sure he has been recruited over yet but i would say at this time Hayes has more upset.
March 27, 20187 yr It's hard to say how upset he is. One day, the man is happy. The next day, he's steamin' about somethin'. It's a got dammed rollercoaster.
March 27, 20187 yr I don’t see Roach getting drafted so I imagine he will be told to go back to school. Similar to what Jones did last year
March 27, 20187 yr Honestly every potential prospect who hasnt declared ought to by their junior year. Gives you a head start on how the combine works and also gives you feedback on what you need to work on going into your final year. It's a no lose situation.
March 27, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said: Honestly every potential prospect who hasnt declared ought to by their junior year. Gives you a head start on how the combine works and also gives you feedback on what you need to work on going into your final year. It's a no lose situation. Agree with you and Mach. On the flipside, however, Roach's shortcomings are obvious; it shouldn't require league professionals to point them out.
March 27, 20187 yr Roach has the athleticism to be a decent player, he can easily do what Patrick Beverly does.
March 27, 20187 yr I think he will be a 3-and-D guy in the association, but he's obviously not there yet and I doubt an NBA team would burn a pick on him.
March 27, 20187 yr can anyone who follows basketball recruiting closely tell me if we're a legit option for courtney ramey?
March 27, 20187 yr Just now, Braff Zacklin said: I think he will be a 3-and-D guy in the association, but he's obviously not there yet and I doubt an NBA team would burn a pick on him. yeah i think there is definitely a spot for roach in the league (most likely as a 3 and D off guard), but he needs to keep improving that jump shot. i think he comes back and is an early - mid 2nd round pick next year.
March 28, 20187 yr Yep. Roach can go show off his athleticism in person- teams will no doubt be monitoring him after falling in love with his upside. Roach should reach out to PJ Tucker and train/talk with him as much as he possibly can.
March 28, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Nick Diaz said: Roach has the athleticism to be a decent player, he can easily do what Patrick Beverly does. Don't get me wrong: Snoop's a serious athlete. But I've seen nothing that leads me to believe he can easily be one of the best on-ball defenders in the NBA.
March 28, 20187 yr Quote Judging the roster by experience, Shaka's first class is a bit of a bust with Jacob Young transferring, James Banks on the bench, and Andrew Jones health issues. It means we're still a young team next year as well: I wouldn't necessarily say we will be a "young" team. Starting a 5th year player, two 4 year players, and two sophomores is not bad at all - especially compared to what we have been used to. Man, if Jones comes back at even 95% that will do so much for this team. More importantly, I don't think we will be relying too much on the freshmen. I will be surprised if any of them average more than 20 min a game next year. Compare that to: 2017 - Coleman at 34 min, Bamba at 30 min, Sims at 19 min, and Febres at 16 min. 2016 - Allen at 32 min, Jones at 28 min, and Young at 16 min. Those are BIG minutes by freshmen - I don't care how talented they are.
March 28, 20187 yr Author 52 minutes ago, HookEm said: Man, if Jones comes back at even 95% that will do so much for this team. I would be happy with 60%. I think people are underestimating the toll that treatment takes on a person.
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