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California bans "stealthing" (non-consent condom removal)

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It's hard to imagine that this wasn't already illegal everywhere.Ā Ā 

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California became the first state to prohibit ā€œstealthing,ā€ or removing a condom without permission during intercourse, after Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill into law Thursday.

The new measure amends the state's civil code, adding the act to the state’s civil definition of sexual battery. That makes it clear that victims can sue perpetrators for damages, including punitive damages.

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It makes it illegal to remove condoms without obtaining verbal consent.

Democratic Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia originally tried to make it a crime in 2017 after aĀ Yale University studyĀ that year said acts of stealthing were increasing against both women and gay men.

Legislative analysts said then that it could already be considered misdemeanor sexual battery, though it is rarely prosecuted given the difficulty in proving that a perpetrator acted intentionally instead of accidentally.

The Erotic Service Providers Legal Educational Research Project supported the bill, saying it could allow sex workers to sue clients who remove condoms.

Lawmakers in New York and Wisconsin previously proposed related legislation.

ā€œThis law is the first of its kind in the nation, but I urge other states to follow in California’s direction and make it clear that stealthing is not just immoral but illegal,ā€ Garcia said.

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#2
17 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

The new measure amends the state's civil code

shouldn't that be amends the state's penal code?

#5

The real trick is slipping one on during intercourse without your partner noticing.

#6

Seems an unnecessary law.Ā  The consent to sexual intercourse was conditional (wear a condemn).Ā  Through deception, you voided that consent.Ā  That's actionable both civilly and criminally.

I mean, an explicit statute makes it easier to bring a claim, I guess.Ā  Just pointing out that it was almost certainly already actionable.

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56 minutes ago, Deej said:

The real trick is slipping one on during intercourse without your partner noticing.

Marriage life.

#8
27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Seems an unnecessary law.Ā  The consent to sexual intercourse was conditional (wear a condemn).Ā  Through deception, you voided that consent.Ā  That's actionable both civilly and criminally.

I mean, an explicit statute makes it easier to bring a claim, I guess.Ā  Just pointing out that it was almost certainly already actionable.

This was my thought, too.Ā 

#9

My body my choice. I’m going to file a brief with the us Supreme Court. You’ll take my uncovered penis when you pry it from my cold head hand.Ā 

#10

Isn't rape illegal?

Seems like rape...seriously.

#12

Maybe cause they lessened the charge for knowingly giving someone HIV?

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/do-i-have-to-tell-a-sexual-partner-that-i-am-hiv-positive-in-california/

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Posted onĀ July 30, 2021

Thanks to California Senate Bill 329, as of January 1, 2017, it isĀ no longer a felonyĀ forĀ people who areĀ HIV-positiveĀ to have unprotected sex andĀ not disclose their status.

The new California law SB 329 also automatically vacated prior convictions related to:

  • Non-disclosure of HIV status (former Penal Code 647f), and/or
  • Felony prostitution convictions based on HIV/AIDS status.

But, it is still possible forĀ someone to file a civil lawsuit for money damages ifĀ a partner fails to disclose an STD..Ā 

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#15

What if it comes off while fucking? Race to the police to get charges filed?

#17
Just now, Apep said:

What if it comes off while fucking? Race to the police to get charges filed?

Stop buying Magnums for your shrimp dick.

#20

But is stealthing still legal in Haiti? Because I'm headed down there soon and normally I wear protection, but then I thought, ā€œWhen am I gonna make it back to Haiti?ā€

#21

So does this happen a lot? Seems kind of like having a law that states you can't fly a jet without a license. Can a penal code be too long?

#22
1 hour ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

But is stealthing still legal in Haiti? Because I'm headed down there soon and normally I wear protection, but then I thought, ā€œWhen am I gonna make it back to Haiti?ā€

or Del Rio...

#24
14 hours ago, workswithseed said:

Stop buying Magnums for your shrimp dick.

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#25
On 10/8/2021 at 4:43 PM, Gil Bang said:

It makes it illegal to remove condoms without obtaining verbal consent.

Democratic Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia originally tried to make it a crime in 2017 after aĀ Yale University studyĀ that year said acts of stealthing were increasing against both women

Weird. It's been my experience that it's the female that frequently pulls off the condom. I've had it happen quite a few times over the past year since I've become single.

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#26
38 minutes ago, F250 said:

Weird. It's been my experience that it's the female that frequently pulls off the condom. I've had it happen quite a few times over the past year since I've become single.

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Stop leaving your bank statement on the nightstand

#27
On 10/8/2021 at 10:01 PM, Apep said:

What if it comes off while fucking? Race to the police to get charges filed?

Tie a knot at the end of it.Ā 

On 10/8/2021 at 10:01 PM, conVINCEd said:

Accidental creampie porn is gonna take a hit here.

Shit.Ā 

#30
17 minutes ago, 3adays said:

Does this include ripping the jimmy off and cumming on the tits and/or face?

*jimmy hat

You got bigger problems if you rip your jimmy off.

#31
On 10/9/2021 at 7:09 AM, HornOnTheBayou said:

But is stealthing still legal in Haiti? Because I'm headed down there soon and normally I wear protection, but then I thought, ā€œWhen am I gonna make it back to Haiti?ā€

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#32
10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

*jimmy hat

You got bigger problems if you rip your jimmy off.

Gator calls em jimmies . How much time you spend in the game?

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#33
On 10/10/2021 at 12:26 AM, F250 said:

Weird. It's been my experience that it's the female that frequently pulls off the condom. I've had it happen quite a few times over the past year since I've become single.

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Entrapment!!!

#34

Just remembered I knew a guy at UT that started selling his own brand of condoms called Stealth Condoms with the tag line 'They'll never see you coming'.Ā  It was right around the first gulf war...thought it was pretty clever but I guess it never really caught on

#36
On 10/9/2021 at 8:12 AM, Bevo said:

So does this happen a lot? Seems kind of like having a law that states you can't fly a jet without a license. Can a penal code be too long?

Reminds me of this a bit...

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#37
Just remembered I knew a guy at UT that started selling his own brand of condoms called Stealth Condoms with the tag line 'They'll never see you coming'.Ā  It was right around the first gulf war...thought it was pretty clever but I guess it never really caught on
I remember those. Didn't they come in a package that looked like a B2 or something?
#38
3 minutes ago, Modessit said:
On 10/11/2021 at 9:49 AM, Dennis Taylor said:
Just remembered I knew a guy at UT that started selling his own brand of condoms called Stealth Condoms with the tag line 'They'll never see you coming'.Ā  It was right around the first gulf war...thought it was pretty clever but I guess it never really caught on

I remember those. Didn't they come in a package that looked like a B2 or something?

Yep

#39
On 10/10/2021 at 8:02 PM, 3adays said:

Does this include ripping the jimmy off and cumming on the tits and/or face?

Hey, we're all civilized here.Ā  Plus, we all know a map of Hawaii on her back is much more tasteful.

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#41
1 hour ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

It's hard to imagine California thinking this is what it should be spending legislative time addressing.

So, you think the behavior is OK?Ā 

#42
1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

So, you think the behavior is OK?Ā 

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its how its going to be prosecuted is my bigger concern.Ā Ā Ā  by definition, this is going to be a he said/she said situation.

based on the premise, permission to have sex is implied.Ā  and since having a condom on was the expectation, i get that its assumed you would continue with the condom on.

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all that being said.... how do you prove the guy removed the condom intentionally?Ā  unless the guy flat out admits he did it, its gonna be super tough to prove.

I guess we do a rape kit to prove semen in the orifice.Ā  ...

but all that proves is they had sex, whichĀ  we all agree wasĀ  already consentual .Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā  If the condom breaks is that his fault?Ā  if the condom comes off inside her, is that his fault?

does the guy need to keep the broken condom as proof he didnt stealth her? what about guys who go soft immediately after release and basically fall out of the condom?

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in my mind the ONLY way this could be prosecuted is if you have a clear pattern of a guy doing it to multiple people otherwise there is just way too much grey area

#43
20 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

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its how its going to be prosecuted is my bigger concern.Ā Ā Ā  by definition, this is going to be a he said/she said situation.

based on the premise, permission to have sex is implied.Ā  and since having a condom on was the expectation, i get that its assumed you would continue with the condom on.

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all that being said.... how do you prove the guy removed the condom intentionally?Ā  unless the guy flat out admits he did it, its gonna be super tough to prove.

I guess we do a rape kit to prove semen in the orifice.Ā  ...

but all that proves is they had sex, whichĀ  we all agree wasĀ  already consentual .Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā  If the condom breaks is that his fault?Ā  if the condom comes off inside her, is that his fault?

does the guy need to keep the broken condom as proof he didnt stealth her? what about guys who go soft immediately after release and basically fall out of the condom?

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in my mind the ONLY way this could be prosecuted is if you have a clear pattern of a guy doing it to multiple people otherwise there is just way too much grey area

Well, the conventional socio-psychological thinking is that criminal law is at its deterrent peak when something that was not previously a crime is made a crime, so this may accomplish something even if it's never successfully prosecuted.

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1 hour ago, AUS-97HORN said:

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its how its going to be prosecuted is my bigger concern.Ā Ā Ā  by definition, this is going to be a he said/she said situation.

based on the premise, permission to have sex is implied.Ā  and since having a condom on was the expectation, i get that its assumed you would continue with the condom on.

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all that being said.... how do you prove the guy removed the condom intentionally?Ā  unless the guy flat out admits he did it, its gonna be super tough to prove.

I guess we do a rape kit to prove semen in the orifice.Ā  ...

but all that proves is they had sex, whichĀ  we all agree wasĀ  already consentual .Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā  If the condom breaks is that his fault?Ā  if the condom comes off inside her, is that his fault?

does the guy need to keep the broken condom as proof he didnt stealth her? what about guys who go soft immediately after release and basically fall out of the condom?

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in my mind the ONLY way this could be prosecuted is if you have a clear pattern of a guy doing it to multiple people otherwise there is just way too much grey area

This is often the case with domestic violence and sexual assault cases. He said/she said.Ā 

#46
On 10/8/2021 at 4:35 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Marriage life.

LOL. You think you’re getting laid after she’s gotten the offspring number she desires?

#47
11 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is often the case with domestic violence and sexual assault cases. He said/she said.Ā 

I get what you are saying, but there is corresponding evidence that helps confirm the issue.Ā  Ā bruises, cuts, broken bones.... hospital visits.Ā  ButĀ  unfortunately, it usually takes a pattern to prove.

in this case the presense of semen in a vagina (or anus) proves nothing other than sex occured. As I said earlier, for it to stick, it would have to be a case where the guy has had numerous partners complain he did the same thing.Ā 

#48
5 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

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its how its going to be prosecuted is my bigger concern.Ā Ā Ā  by definition, this is going to be a he said/she said situation.

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#50
5 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

in this case the presense of semen in a vagina (or anus)

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