January 4, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: he’s getting paid for A results At just 5 mil a year
January 4, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, ousux said: Counterpoint, our best wins resulted when turtle took over playcalling, which was usually bowl games..wins over misery, Utah and Georgia, all of which were good teams in those seasons. Oh and I'm reasonably sure (noticed he was toting a clipboard and more active on the headset) he called the "take the loss pussy" win over blowU as well even if he didn't always admit to it. I mean what does a CEO coach do during games if they aren't calling offensive plays or defensive alignments...meddling with the calls via headset like MBTF? If we could get Lincoln's little bro in as OC I'd be fine with it, but Sark is one of the best OC's at the P5 level, no question about that. Having a playcalling head coach can also help with recruiting...anyone who follows CFB knows any coordinator who has sustained success to sell to a recruit is also going to be at the top of lots of schools lists as a possible HC. Observing and adjusting. Giving both Coordinators direction on where they're leaking or pushing in directions where we have advantages. This is akin to a CEO appointing a talented VP of Sales and a VP of marketing. You can guide them, but let them do what they were hired to do. The CEO can't go meddling in the Sales department while the Financials are burning down. He has to be over all of it, which requires strategic delegation and direction.
January 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, JMFP said: At just 5 mil a year yeah, I not sure Sark's even in the top 20 salaries now after some of the bumps for coaches this fall
January 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said: yeah, I not sure Sark's even in the top 20 salaries now after some of the bumps for coaches this fall Hey we’re gonna finish in the top 20. He deserves a too 20 salary
January 4, 20232 yr he’s getting paid for A results Relative to the market he’s actually not. The average annual base salary in his contract - before any incentives - is Don’t know what Dykes makes, know Venables and Gundy make more. What Sark delivered this year is roughly fair value for his contract in the CFB coaching market.
January 4, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Doc Daneeka said: That’s not a Buick. This is a Buick. Oh you poor youngsters. That's not a buick, This is a buick
January 4, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said: Oh you poor youngsters. That's not a buick, This is a buick
January 4, 20232 yr He was referring to Buicks…Dope center lines on that regal.Look I get this is impractical. But if you just took an objective look at the staff without any biases you’d have Patterson as the head coach and sark as the OC.I realize that’s not exactly a ground breaking take.
January 4, 20232 yr Oh and Sark would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator. (did I do that bit right?)
January 4, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, tbone_ said: ... But if you just took an objective look at the staff without any biases you’d have Patterson as the head coach and sark as the OC. I realize that’s not exactly a ground breaking take. I have been assuming all along that this was part of CDC's strategy here. Patterson seems to have been helping with both training and game planning. It has looked like he's offered some ideas that were accepted and some that simply have been ignored, both at the DC level and the HC level. If Sark can't decide on being HC or OC, it might be time to place Patterson above him, in whatever org-chart way looks good to errbody, and make sure both Sark and PK undertand that what Gary tells them is The Truth and not just suggestions.
January 4, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, tbone_ said: But if you just took an objective look at the staff without any biases you’d have Patterson as the head coach and sark as the OC. That would make so much sense and make for quite an interesting meeting: "Coach Sark, we have some news that we think you'll be really excited about."
January 4, 20232 yr Well we can't go that far back with Buicks unless we add Rain Man's Roadmaster. Are we going to take this all the way back to the ones built under Walter Chrysler?
January 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, 927 E. 41st said: Oh you poor youngsters. That's not a buick, This is a buick There were only Pontiacs during that era.
January 4, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Doc Daneeka said: There were only Pontiacs during that era. I like that a lot, but it was an era rich with choices!
January 4, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said: I like that a lot, but it was an era rich with choices! 1970 GTO was my first car, so I’m partial. 400, Verdoro green with black vinyl. Basically this car. But, yeah, late 60s to very early 70s was a golden age for that. If not GTO, I liked the Camaros and Chevelles. Never was a Mustang fan.
January 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, gmr548 said: Relative to the market he’s actually not. The average annual base salary in his contract - before any incentives - is Don’t know what Dykes makes, know Venables and Gundy make more. What Sark delivered this year is roughly fair value for his contract in the CFB coaching market. Sark's current contract: 2021 - $5.2 million 2022 - $5.4 million 2023 - $5.6 million 2024 - $5.8 million 2025 - $6 million 2026 - $6.2 million -------------------------------------------- Recent stuff I found HC Salaries (10/2022) Highest-paid college football coaches in 2022 Nick Saban $10.96 million Dabo Swinney $10.54 million Kirby Smart $10.25 million Brian Kelly $9.81 million Mel Tucker $9.56 million Jimbo Fisher $9.00 million Ryan Day $8.78 million James Franklin $8.50 million Jim Harbaugh $8.11 million Mike Gundy $7.50 million Source: USA Today https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2022/10/nick-saban-again-nations-highest-paid-college-football-coach.html Found a few private schools data... Lincoln Riley (might be $10mil) Mario Cristobal ($8mil) David Shaw ($8.9mil) --------------------------------------------- And new deals going up... Per contract terms and salary figures divulged Monday by Wisconsin athletics director Chris McIntosh, Fickell has garnered a guaranteed seven-year deal worth a total of more than $50 million -- including a minimum of $7.5 million for the life of Fickell's contract.
January 4, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said: 2025 - $6 million 2026 - $6.2 million 12.2 million dollar buyout after the 2024 season(his 4th year)
January 4, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: 12.2 million dollar buyout after the 2024 season(his 4th year) Nah, that’ll be extension time.
January 4, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, LTtxfan said: Highest-paid college football coaches in 2022 Nick Saban $10.96 million Dabo Swinney $10.54 million Kirby Smart $10.25 million Brian Kelly $9.81 million Mel Tucker $9.56 million Jimbo Fisher $9.00 million Ryan Day $8.78 million James Franklin $8.50 million Jim Harbaugh $8.11 million Mike Gundy $7.50 million "We, the coaches of D1 college football teams, are outraged that players are getting paid NIL money. We think it is ruining the amatuer spirit of college athletics."
January 4, 20232 yr 7.5 seems the new minimum for a good coach. 10 million plus if you're putting your nuts on the table to get a great coach. Edited January 4, 20232 yr by BurntOrange&White
January 4, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, Tex Pete said: I apologize for causing the car de-rail. Back on track.
January 4, 20232 yr Sark's current contract: 2021 - $5.2 million 2022 - $5.4 million 2023 - $5.6 million 2024 - $5.8 million 2025 - $6 million 2026 - $6.2 million -------------------------------------------- Recent stuff I found HC Salaries (10/2022) Highest-paid college football coaches in 2022 Nick Saban $10.96 million Dabo Swinney $10.54 million Kirby Smart $10.25 million Brian Kelly $9.81 million Mel Tucker $9.56 million Jimbo Fisher $9.00 million Ryan Day $8.78 million James Franklin $8.50 million Jim Harbaugh $8.11 million Mike Gundy $7.50 million Source: USA Today https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2022/10/nick-saban-again-nations-highest-paid-college-football-coach.html Found a few private schools data... Lincoln Riley (might be $10mil) Mario Cristobal ($8mil) David Shaw ($8.9mil) --------------------------------------------- And new deals going up... Per contract terms and salary figures divulged Monday by Wisconsin athletics director Chris McIntosh, Fickell has garnered a guaranteed seven-year deal worth a total of more than $50 million -- including a minimum of $7.5 million for the life of Fickell's contract.So basically we are getting what we pay for?
January 4, 20232 yr Jimbo Fisher is bringing in former Arkansas and Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino, one of the most respected offensive minds in football, to be Texas A&M's offensive coordinator, sources told ESPN. Fisher has always called his own plays on offense and is one of the diminishing number of head coaches to do so, and although he will still be heavily involved in the Aggies' offense, sources told ESPN that Petrino will take over primary play-calling duties. It's not uncommon for Fisher to take his time and wait until January to make a coordinator hire. He hired his last two defensive coordinators (D.J. Durkin and Mike Elko) after the New Year. For this job, Fisher also talked to TCU offensive coordinator Garrett Riley, among others, sources told ESPN. Sooooooo even Dumbo Jimbo is finally getting an OC. Edited January 4, 20232 yr by Nicole44
January 4, 20232 yr Old car talk not going away. This was my first car. 1970 Buick Electra 225. 8 track tape player was the bomb.
January 4, 20232 yr And back to the topic, Sark will continue to be a middling coach until he stops calling the offense. He needs to manage the game and yell at the refs, and then we'll be rolling.
January 4, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: 7.5 seems the new minimum for a good coach. I think Josh Heupel makes around $5 million a year. He has 5 season as a head coach. Three of those seasons he has had double digit win totals. Is that better than Sark?
January 4, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, jw4381 said: And back to the topic, Sark will continue to be a middling coach until he stops calling the offense. He needs to manage the game and yell at the refs, and then we'll be rolling. I was hoping he'd hire a superstar-caliber OC like Petrino, but I guess that dream is now dead.
January 4, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, JFKFC said: I think Josh Heupel makes around $5 million a year. He has 5 season as a head coach. Three of those seasons he has had double digit win totals. Is that better than Sark? Yeah and you make a good point, we're severely over paying Sark. Thanks for that!
January 4, 20232 yr You guys are truly some weirdos. You can't just grab an OC. That OC has to have the same philosophy as you do or the marriage won't work. This is a totally different issue than what Jimbo is facing. Jimbo's problem is the game has passed him by, so ANYONE calling plays for him will be better. Except Jimbo will be meddling every step of the way. Lincoln Riley's problem is his defense. He has been carting Grinch around since 19. Texas' issue is they were largely one-dimensional. We had a few schematic plays Sark drew up that would create busts in coverage here or there, but no one catching a ball was making plays on their own. If you had to have someone step up the RB room was the only place you could look to get that. Our receivers didn't make any off script plays all season. That caused us to have to go on 12-14 play drives, which is a nail in the coffin to a young offense. Somewhere along that drive someone with little experience is going to lose concentration and a negative play will result that you cannot recover from. Going forward, no matter the playcaller, the players are going to have to start making big boy plays in order for this offense to turn the corner.
January 4, 20232 yr I don’t think I am a weirdo for wanting Sark to get an OC. He is part of a dying breed or diminishing group of HCs that are still the main play caller. There is a damn good reason for this. He’s never had one. As a HC he has not won a MNC or a CCG. He did it his way albeit (not sober) at USC and Washington. As an OC he was part of MNC teams. Big success there. He can’t be both. He won’t win dick doing things the same way he always done things. He’ll get what he’s always got. But in two years this conversation will be more clear when he’s GOT ALL HIS guys…and y’all will be making excuses cuz we are in the SEC.
January 4, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Nicole44 said: I don’t think I am a weirdo for wanting Sark to get an OC. He is part of a dying breed or diminishing group of HCs that are still the main play caller. There is a damn good reason for this. He’s never had one. As a HC he has not won a MNC or a CCG. He did it his way albeit (not sober) at USC and Washington. As an OC he was part of MNC teams. Big success there. He can’t be both. He won’t win dick doing things the same way he always done things. He’ll get what he’s always got. But in two years this conversation will be more clear when he’s GOT ALL HIS guys…and y’all will be making excuses cuz we are in the SEC. What’s your definition of “what he’s always got” applied to next season?
January 5, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, Nicole44 said: I don’t think I am a weirdo for wanting Sark to get an OC. He is part of a dying breed or diminishing group of HCs that are still the main play caller. There is a damn good reason for this. He’s never had one. As a HC he has not won a MNC or a CCG. He did it his way albeit (not sober) at USC and Washington. As an OC he was part of MNC teams. Big success there. He can’t be both. He won’t win dick doing things the same way he always done things. He’ll get what he’s always got. But in two years this conversation will be more clear when he’s GOT ALL HIS guys…and y’all will be making excuses cuz we are in the SEC. Let's break down what we are asking for here. We want one of the best playcaller/designers in the game to hand the reigns over to someone far lesser than them at their craft? Playcalling is a feel thing. If a guy who gets brought in has to learn Sark's system he isn't going to be nearly as good in the moment. Now I know what Surly is going to say here, and that is Sark isn't good in the moment. What I will say to that is a lot of what Surly is seeing isn't always what the play was designed to do. We would be really good offensively if we didn't have so many errors in execution.
January 5, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Thatguy said: Let's break down what we are asking for here. We want one of the best playcaller/designers in the game to hand the reigns over to someone far lesser than them at their craft? Playcalling is a feel thing. If a guy who gets brought in has to learn Sark's system he isn't going to be nearly as good in the moment. Now I know what Surly is going to say here, and that is Sark isn't good in the moment. What I will say to that is a lot of what Surly is seeing isn't always what the play was designed to do. We would be really good offensively if we didn't have so many errors in execution. I get what you are saying but I mean whenever I lose at Madden I don’t blame myself either. It’s not my execution…lol.
January 5, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Thatguy said: Let's break down what we are asking for here. We want one of the best playcaller/designers in the game to hand the reigns over to someone far lesser than them at their craft? Playcalling is a feel thing. If a guy who gets brought in has to learn Sark's system he isn't going to be nearly as good in the moment. Now I know what Surly is going to say here, and that is Sark isn't good in the moment. What I will say to that is a lot of what Surly is seeing isn't always what the play was designed to do. We would be really good offensively if we didn't have so many errors in execution. Which is why I'd prefer Sarkisian as playcaller, but maybe another coach responsible for gameday management and to be a sanity check for tunnel vision issues.
January 5, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said: I get what you are saying but I mean whenever I lose at Madden I don’t blame myself either. It’s not my execution…lol. If Sark has any blame its allowing guys who fail to step on the field. Guys are making dumb ass mistakes and just trotting back out there. For example, the throw up the right sideline to Worthy at the 3:20 mark of the vid below was a back shoulder throw. Defender is over the top so all Worthy has to do is slow down. Some of the runs we called didn't go where they were supposed to go because someone on the line missed their assignment causing them to pick somewhere else. For example, at the 1:51 mark of the 1st quarter we are running a play that has some wiggle room to the outside. However, Majors(65) and Campbell(52) are doubling a D-lineman, and Majors just lets a guy shoot the gap and blow the play up in the backfield. Now instead of 2nd and 5 its 2nd and 11 and you are behind the chains. 13:30 mark and 1st and 10. We just had a big play on the scramble and dump pass to Worthy. We run Outside Zone, a play that is wheelhouse for KRob to take advantage of his speed, and it hits for 11 yards. However, true freshman DJ Campbell allows himself to get separated from his man, instead of continuing to stay locked and driving him. He gets called for a hold. Now its 1st and 20. We go on to score anyway but you get the point. These are the plays that are killing us, not Sark's playcalling. 22 min mark of the vid below. 1st and 10 we get Krob loose for 15 on the rail route we love so much. We run it again and - false start. 1st and 15 we call a pin and pull but instead of Sanders pinning his man he gets manhandled and ends up blowing up the play by running into the pulling lineman. 2nd and 11 we get Worthy loose up the sideline-drop. 3rd and 11- Worthy wide open up the seam-drop. This is the problem not the playcalling, and its been like that all year. 48 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said: Which is why I'd prefer Sarkisian as playcaller, but maybe another coach responsible for gameday management and to be a sanity check for tunnel vision issues. agreed
January 5, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Thatguy said: If Sark has any blame its allowing guys who fail to step on the field. Guys are making dumb ass mistakes and just trotting back out there. For example, the throw up the right sideline to Worthy at the 3:20 mark of the vid below was a back shoulder throw. Defender is over the top so all Worthy has to do is slow down. Some of the runs we called didn't go where they were supposed to go because someone on the line missed their assignment causing them to pick somewhere else. For example, at the 1:51 mark of the 1st quarter we are running a play that has some wiggle room to the outside. However, Majors(65) and Campbell(52) are doubling a D-lineman, and Majors just lets a guy shoot the gap and blow the play up in the backfield. Now instead of 2nd and 5 its 2nd and 11 and you are behind the chains. 13:30 mark and 1st and 10. We just had a big play on the scramble and dump pass to Worthy. We run Outside Zone, a play that is wheelhouse for KRob to take advantage of his speed, and it hits for 11 yards. However, true freshman DJ Campbell allows himself to get separated from his man, instead of continuing to stay locked and driving him. He gets called for a hold. Now its 1st and 20. We go on to score anyway but you get the point. These are the plays that are killing us, not Sark's playcalling. 22 min mark of the vid below. 1st and 10 we get Krob loose for 15 on the rail route we love so much. We run it again and - false start. 1st and 15 we call a pin and pull but instead of Sanders pinning his man he gets manhandled and ends up blowing up the play by running into the pulling lineman. 2nd and 11 we get Worthy loose up the sideline-drop. 3rd and 11- Worthy wide open up the seam-drop. This is the problem not the playcalling, and its been like that all year. agreed Agreed
January 5, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said: Oh you poor youngsters. That's not a buick, This is a buick I know where one of these (sans motor) is rotting away in a funeral home warehouse. Guy told me "I'm going to fix it up, not gonnna sell it". That was 12 years ago.
January 5, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Crapinon said: I know where one of these (sans motor) is rotting away in a funeral home warehouse. Guy told me "I'm going to fix it up, not gonnna sell it". That was 12 years ago. This was my life with fixer 1969 and 1970 GTOs until I just said screw it… “I’m going to fix it up myself” or they priced it as if it were a frame resto. I’d kill the guy who screwed up the one I had, but he’s already dead. I wonder how perception would change if basically the exact same plays were called but, say, a couple of passes weren’t dropped (offense and defense) and Texas gets out with a close win. “Yay, Ewers and Worthy really are on the same page!” or what. Not that it ultimately matters until those plays start going the right way, anyway.
January 5, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Brothahorn said: So basically we are getting what we pay for? Are we? We could have over paid thinking were getting something good. Ask Michigan State, A&M and Penn State.
January 5, 20232 yr So, here's the thing. Those who point to Sark's track record as a coach to say that he will never be better need to also consider Texas' track record at hiring coaches... will we ever get better? just a thought, mister fox...
January 5, 20232 yr Have a buddy who is still frustrated that he didn't keep his 1st car... Plymouth Duster that was lime green. Here's a stock photo... Edited January 5, 20232 yr by LTtxfan damn autocorrect
January 5, 20232 yr Back about '81 a guy offered to sell me a '67 Vette. White over blue convertible, factory side pipes, close ratio 4. IIRC it was 427 w/ 3-2 barrels. Needed paint and front suspension was making noise. Hate to think how much that one is worth right about now, but like most of life, I didn't need a project so I passed. Still, he let me drive it for the weekend and it was a blast. I think he wanted $2000.
January 5, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Thatguy said: Let's break down what we are asking for here. We want one of the best playcaller/designers in the game to hand the reigns over to someone far lesser than them at their craft? Playcalling is a feel thing. If a guy who gets brought in has to learn Sark's system he isn't going to be nearly as good in the moment. Now I know what Surly is going to say here, and that is Sark isn't good in the moment. What I will say to that is a lot of what Surly is seeing isn't always what the play was designed to do. We would be really good offensively if we didn't have so many errors in execution. I’m not sure if sark is one of the best play callers. He’s above average but just because he looked like a genius at Bama doesn’t mean he’s the best. Greg Davis looked like a genius with VY too, he’d probably look the part under saban too. Plus Sark’s on the sideline as the HC so he can’t see the defensive schemes as easily which he would from the booth and he’s got a team to manage (or not) in addition to calling the plays. At best the jury is still out. Win 9 next year and he’s back to his high water mark and we can see if he can up from there. Until he hits 10+ though it’s hard to call him one of the best of anything. Edited January 5, 20232 yr by troph
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