February 12, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Mack Tripper said: Great album. Fucked up thing is that they didn't clear any of the samples, so it's now out of print and no label wants to deal with the headache of going back and paying for the samples. Would that apply to a reprint of the CD? That CD was long after they had all the trouble with sample clearance so they had to have those cleared for the CD, right? A reprint would have to clear them again? I still have my original CD. All of their CDs have been great, both volumes of AOI, the Grind Date, even the story CD "First Serve" was great: In the album the duo adopt the persona of "First Serve" a hip-hop band making it in the music industry in the late 1990s. Mercer takes the persona of "Jacob 'Pop Life' Barrow", and Jolicoeur takes the persona of "Deen Witter". The album details the fictional band making it in the music industry, their success, breakup, and eventual reformation.[2] Edited February 12, 20205 yr by d2o
February 12, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, d2o said: Would that apply to a reprint of the CD? That CD was long after they had all the trouble with sample clearance so they had to have those cleared for the CD, right? A reprint would have to clear them again? I still have my original CD. All of their CDs have been great, both volumes of AOI, the Grind Date, even the story CD "First Serve" was great: In the album the duo adopt the persona of "First Serve" a hip-hop band making it in the music industry in the late 1990s. Mercer takes the persona of "Jacob 'Pop Life' Barrow", and Jolicoeur takes the persona of "Deen Witter". The album details the fictional band making it in the music industry, their success, breakup, and eventual reformation.[2] My understanding is that over the years, as uncleared samples were discovered on various De La albums, a bunch of artists/composers filed claims for royalties against Tommy Boy and then later Warner Music in which they would received royalties based on CD, cassettes, and albums. The belief is that these contracts didn't include provisions for all other future media like streaming. Now that all the CDs, tapes, and records have been sold, Warner is essentially paying zero in royalties. If they were to license the De La catalog to Apple, Spotify, etc. it would likely require entering into new licensing agreements and also likely restart the three year limitations period for copyright infringement.
February 12, 20205 yr Just looked at Amazon and ebay, and used Stakes is High and 3 feet high CDs are going for $30-35
February 12, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, Mack Tripper said: Just looked at Amazon and ebay, and used Stakes is High and 3 feet high CDs are going for $30-35 I've got 3 ft. high on cd and tape...
February 12, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, Rip76 said: I've got 3 ft. high on cd and tape... Yeah I most of them on CD, finally gave up the ghost and dumped all my tapes a few yrs back
February 12, 20205 yr 39 minutes ago, Mack Tripper said: My understanding is that over the years, as uncleared samples were discovered on various De La albums, a bunch of artists/composers filed claims for royalties against Tommy Boy and then later Warner Music in which they would received royalties based on CD, cassettes, and albums. The belief is that these contracts didn't include provisions for all other future media like streaming. Now that all the CDs, tapes, and records have been sold, Warner is essentially paying zero in royalties. If they were to license the De La catalog to Apple, Spotify, etc. it would likely require entering into new licensing agreements and also likely restart the three year limitations period for copyright infringement. No I get that part. They cant do it digitally cause it wasn't agreed on in the original contract but can they just start reprinting CDs? Not that many people buy CDs now
February 12, 20205 yr If the CDs go back in print, they have to start paying the licencors again under the old agreements and then go to artists/composers who don't have any such agreements and either try to get a compulsory license (which will likely be denied) or negotiate a license agreement or else risk getting sued. Copyright law sucks for hip hop artists.
February 14, 20205 yr On 2/12/2020 at 5:07 PM, Rip76 said: To me 86-91 is the prime. That's were I am as well. Saw Public Enemy, EPMD, and a few others open for RUN-DMC in 1989.
February 14, 20205 yr https://www.youtube.com/user/OGDonNinja/videos. This youtube account OgDonNinja has an incredible catalog of east coast underground hip hop from the 90's. Highly recommend diving into this.
February 14, 20205 yr A taste of what's in there it's incredible how much good music was produced in this slice of place in time. Every track I listen to on this channel is better than the last, yet none of these people sniffed a whiff of commercial success Edited February 14, 20205 yr by CheesePie
February 14, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, CheesePie said: it's incredible how much good music was produced in this slice of place in time. Every track I listen to on this channel is better than the last, yet none of these people sniffed a whiff of commercial success Yeah, but main stream radio made sure that the majority of Americans ate a steady diet of MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice and fucking Whoomp There It Is. It's a wash, really.
February 14, 20205 yr Socioeconomic circumstances weren't helping either. You'll come across an artist on that channel that has 3 tracks to their name, all fuckin insane, and then they're gone. The old dead or in jail platitude was real for these guys.
February 14, 20205 yr Another example. This dude never made it anything approaching big, but man this track.
February 19, 20205 yr The cut by Nine is still so damn smooth. Dude had a great voice Edited February 19, 20205 yr by d2o
February 19, 20205 yr God there was an insane amount of GREAT rap during this time. Forgot all about these guys. Chip was MONSTER. Dude was rapping backwards in another one of their songs. The Phife cameo is just icing on the cake. Edited February 19, 20205 yr by d2o
April 9, 20205 yr Released on December 15, 1998 I remember watching some random video of YouTube regarding this song. Apparently, Big Pun came into the studio to record his verse and he was apparently sauced off his ass. He dropped his verse in one take and then stumbled out of the studio drunk. Cam'Ron, Noreaga, and Canibus looked at each other dumbfounded at what they just witnessed. IIRC, Cam'Ron went back and edited his verse. The same thing happened with Nas on the track below. Released on September 1, 1998 I am telling you rap afficionados, Big Pun could have challenged for G.O.A.T. if he didn't die. Aggressive, yet sophisticated flow.
April 11, 20205 yr Come for the song, stay for all the fine ladies. January of 2000, but I'll allow it. Edited April 11, 20205 yr by Deej
July 23, 20205 yr It sure sounds like this song took a huge sample from the C&C Music Factory hit of the 90's:
February 1, 20214 yr Figured some of the folks in this thread night appreciate this. Double K of People Under The Stairs passed away this weekend at 43. PUTS is an incredibly talented rap duo from LA that stayed true to the classic hip hop roots with refreshingly upbeat lyrics and beats built by hand on the turntables. I celebrate their entire catalogue. Acid Raindrops is one of my favorite rap songs of all time RIP Double K. https://www.complex.com/music/fans-mourn-the-death-of-people-under-the-stairs-double-k/
February 2, 20214 yr I don't think I've seen any Heltah Skeltah. Not the biggest album, but man I go back to this one all the time This is my personal "Michael Bolton listening to gangsta rap and filing tps reports" #1 song was really sad to see Sean Price died in his sleep several years back. love that guy. Rock is also the best at just repeating words, agreeing, and making scary noises this is the first song of theirs that I really loved - from the moment I heard the line "fuck the world stick my dick in the dirt" love these guys
February 2, 20214 yr Fucking love 90s hip hop and rap. Massive Wu-Tang fan. Also, some Redman, KRS-1, Pharcyde, Mobb Deep, Nasty Nas, Gravediggaz, Goodie Mob, Geto Boys, and the list goes on. Glad to see some hip hop heads on here for the greatest generation for rap.
February 5, 20214 yr A song hating on Vanilla Ice going pop and itself turns into a minor pop hit. Heard it the other day on 90s on 9 on Sirius. I’ll also add [/url] Can’t leave the ladies out
August 24, 20214 yr Good news. De La Soul has reached an agreement with the music rights company that acquired Tommy Boy and their catalog will be on streaming services this year. I wonder if they will have to reproduce/master any songs to get rid of samples they couldn't clear. Hopefully not. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/de-la-sou-full-catalog-streaming-2021-1210513/ Edited August 24, 20214 yr by Mack Tripper
January 31, 20223 yr Good news. De La Soul has reached an agreement with the music rights company that acquired Tommy Boy and their catalog will be on streaming services this year. I wonder if they will have to reproduce/master any songs to get rid of samples they couldn't clear. Hopefully not. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/de-la-sou-full-catalog-streaming-2021-1210513/ Good question. I’d think the rights to the samples are still an issue. The re-recordings on the streaming services are generally awful.
January 31, 20223 yr Good news. De La Soul has reached an agreement with the music rights company that acquired Tommy Boy and their catalog will be on streaming services this year. I wonder if they will have to reproduce/master any songs to get rid of samples they couldn't clear. Hopefully not. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/de-la-sou-full-catalog-streaming-2021-1210513/ Good question. I’d think the rights to the samples are still an issue. The re-recordings on the streaming services are generally awful.
February 1, 20223 yr On 2/12/2020 at 4:18 PM, Mack Tripper said: If the CDs go back in print, they have to start paying the licencors again under the old agreements and then go to artists/composers who don't have any such agreements and either try to get a compulsory license (which will likely be denied) or negotiate a license agreement or else risk getting sued. Copyright law sucks for hip hop artists. Good analysis, I think you're correct. The infringements from "old media" (CDs and such) have been settled and no new ones are printed/sold, so no liability for anyone. Printing them again, or putting them on streaming would start up another round of infringements and more royalties to be paid, but not at "negotiated" or "streaming" rates, but instead as infringement damages, so probably considerably higher. It sucks for DLS that Warner or whoever owns their rights won't enter into a new license for streaming. I guess now that it's known that the samples are part of a popular and valuable collection of songs, the cost is prohibitive in light of the teeninsy streaming royalty. I don't think it sucks anymore, as no one is naive enough to sample without clearance and I think clearance is now a subindustry in music licensing and pretty rote. Probably even the most ignorant mixtaper caught the 2LiveCrew/Orbison case, which of course turned out in favor of the rappers, but certainly raised the issue. Edited February 1, 20223 yr by TwiceHorn
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