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Just now, JimmyJames said:

It’s totally true. Never been more nervous and it happens every single  time no matter the stakes. I can’t even imagine what it’s like for my clients. And we’re just talking about money there. Think about criminal defendants facing jail time. 

Dude, they used to make you stand up with the Defendant for the reading of the verdict.   Was kind of intense.

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  • Shots had already been fired at the point of the skateboard guy getting involved. So yeah it reached the level of gun fight at the point he got involved. Not sure what you don’t understand about that.

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    I just want to add that I'm not here to pillory Kyle Rittenhouse. He is a fucking child. A child. I had an extensive conversation about this with a good friend of mine who is a juvenile defender by pr

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15 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

The point is there is nothing more stressful for a lawyer than waiting on a jury verdict. Nothing. Not even the trial itself. Because you’re totally out of control of it. Nothing.

Seems like a certainly stressful life. 

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Nope. Most cases on contingency fee. So very little billing unless we actually win the case. 

In my business we call that a conflict of interest. 

Maybe doesn't apply to lawyers. 

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Seems like a certainly stressful life. 

It is. It’s why I enjoy talking so much to you. Much less stress.

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

In my business we call that a conflict of interest. 

Maybe doesn't apply to lawyers. 

Well I’m not sure of your business, but in mine, the more money my client makes the more money I make. So that is pretty obviously not a conflict of interest. 

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

the more money my client makes the more money I make. So that is pretty obviously not a conflict of interest. 

You lawyers are a special fucking case, no doubt. 

13 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Nope. Most cases on contingency fee. So very little billing unless we actually win the case. 

That was mostly a cheap lawyer joke, intended to offend the half of surly that practices law.

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You lawyers are a special fucking case, no doubt. 

Whoever has the gold makes the rules. Lawyers are just an extension of war by supposedly more civilized means. The lawyers don’t own the gold, but they do enforce the rules on behalf of those who do. And are paid very well to do it.

Or if the lawyers don’t work, the soldiers step in to take their place. They also get paid, just not as much.

When he is found innocent that will make future protests fun. Why wouldn’t everyone come armed?

9 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Lawyers are just an extension of war

That's pretty good. 

8 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

When he is found innocent that will make future protests fun. Why wouldn’t everyone come armed?

That was allowed before hand.

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You lawyers are a special fucking case, no doubt. 

  • Litigating attorneys (barristers) are duty-bound Officers of the Court and subject to the court's jurisdiction in cases brought before the courts. The courts punch down hard on attorney fuckups. An attorney's ticket can be pulled for matters you might consider trivial. Some of those things - like segregation of client funds - is zero tolerance in most states. 
  • Contingency fee agreements expand access to the courts for those less fortunate. 
2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:
  •  The courts punch down hard on attorney fuckups. An attorney's ticket can be pulled for matters you might consider trivial.

Funny in the context of this current display of the legal system. Not quite the right time to tell me how robust the self policing of the profession is. 

 

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:
  • Contingency fee agreements expand access to the courts for those less fortunate. 

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12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

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You’re just showing your ignorance here. What he said was absolutely true. 

Contingency fee agreements are the poor mans ticket to the courthouse. 

I don’t expect you to understand that right away but you should try to educate yourself on that fact.

If you care to. 

I cannot speak for the Texas legal system. 

 

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Don't live in fear of what you don't understand. Learn. Fear is the mindkiller.

21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Funny in the context of this current display of the legal system. Not quite the right time to tell me how robust the self policing of the profession is. 

 

Stop being dumb and pontificating on things you don’t understand.

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

You’re just showing your ignorance here. What he said was absolutely true. 

I am coming to the realization that you lawyers don't understand how potential conflicts of interest work for the rest of the professional world. 

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am coming to the realization that you lawyers don't understand how potential conflicts of interest work for the rest of the professional world. 

Tell me about conflicts of interest in your world. I have zero idea what your profession/occupation requires because I don't have a reference point.

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Stop being dumb and pontificating on things you don’t understand.

Are you impaired?

The courts punch down hard on attorney fuckups.

 

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am coming to the realization that you lawyers don't understand how potential conflicts of interest work for the rest of the professional world. 

Is this word salad or brain worms. 
 

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. 

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Tell me about conflicts of interest in your world. I have zero idea what your profession/occupation requires because I don't have a reference point.

He’s in troll mode. Not sure If it’s alkeehaul or what. 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

In my business we call that a conflict of interest.

Are you in the business of misunderstanding what a conflict of interest is?

I am coming to the realization that you lawyers don't understand how potential conflicts of interest work for the rest of the professional world. 

In the context of what Jimmy was talking about….what in the blue fuck are you prattling on about? You think that a lawyer who has an interest in his client prevailing, and a client who wants to prevail, presents….a CONFLICT of interest? It’s a fucking ALIGNMENT of interests.

Maybe you’re trying to be clever here…I have no idea. But you should stop.

Anastasis has been drinking tonight. Not judging, so have I, but he's clearly way ahead of me.

Edited by wildcat09

Y'all lawyers do apparently have a totally different understanding of conflict of interest than the rest of us normal brained individuals functioning in different professions.

For normal brained people, conflict of interest is described best by situations where the impartiality of the work conducted is potentially compromised because the individual conducting that work stands to profit based on the result of the outcome.

For some of y'all, that's the fundamental basis of your business model. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Anastasis has been drinking tonight. Not judging, so have I, but he's clearly way ahead of me.

Damn. Out of rep tonight. And wine. Good night all. 

Edited by JimmyJames

I realize this is not the post for this page nor do any of you lawdogs give a shit about my opinion, but I will go on record as saying I think the prosecution scores an upset win  and Rittenhouse is convicted primarily on the basis of the drone video that illustrated KR's unreasonable self defense argument. I thought the prosecution's closing was strong and concise and made a compelling case for why the jury should return a guilty verdict, and if the narcissist Uncle Mike judge had allowed those previous Rittenhouse statements into evidence as he did the evidence about Rosenbaum's mental health history, it would have been a slam dunk "he's guilty-let's-eat-lunch" verdict.

I do not agree with the prevailing opinion in this thread that Rittenhouse will easily get off on the basis of self-defense because 1) he's running around with a goddamn AR 15 strapped to his body and 2) he held it in such a way that other witnesses felt he pointed his gun at them. The aggressor wasn't the guy with a plastic bag, the aggressor was the guy with the semi-automatic rifle playing rent-a-cop.

 

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Oh FFS. This is why so many of your takes are hot garbage -- so entrenched in your chosen position that you can't or won't recalibrate, or just flat out admit your take was wrong. A contingency fee means a lawyer may accept a client who otherwise might have no recourse....lawyer gets NO pay unless he gets something for the client. Lawyer works hard for no pay, bingo--wins, and both parties benefit. 

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bc intervening motherfkker:)

12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Y'all lawyers do apparently have a totally different understanding of conflict of interest than the rest of us normal brained individuals functioning in different professions.

For normal brained people, conflict of interest is described best by situations where the impartiality of the work conducted is potentially compromised because the individual conducting that work stands to profit based on the result of the outcome.

For some of y'all, that's the fundamental basis of your business model. 

 

 

The fundamental misunderstanding here is that the legal profession requires zealous advocacy of a client's interests.  If the client's interest in financial recovery aligns with the lawyer's, so much the better.

Lawyers, representing clients, are not impartial.  They do not do impartial work.  Quite the opposite.  Lawyer are not generally engaged in serving the public interest.  However, by representing their clients in an adversarial system, it is believed that the public interest is served.

There are other circumstances where a lawyer is not permitted to acquire an interest in the subject matter of the representation.

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6 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Damn. Out of rep tonight. And wine. Good night all. 

Do you know that you are allowed to buy more than one bottle of wine?

3 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

I realize this is not the post for this page nor do any of you lawdogs give a shit about my opinion, but I will go on record as saying I think the prosecution scores an upset win  and Rittenhouse is convicted primarily on the basis of the drone video that illustrated KR's unreasonable self defense argument. I thought the prosecution's closing was strong and concise and made a compelling case for why the jury should return a guilty verdict, and if the narcissist Uncle Mike judge had allowed those previous Rittenhouse statements into evidence as he did the evidence about Rosenbaum's mental health history, it would have been a slam dunk "he's guilty-let's-eat-lunch" verdict.

I do not agree with the prevailing opinion in this thread that Rittenhouse will easily get off on the basis of self-defense because 1) he's running around with a goddamn AR 15 strapped to his body and 2) he held it in such a way that other witnesses felt he pointed his gun at them. The aggressor wasn't the guy with a plastic bag, the aggressor was the guy with the semi-automatic rifle playing rent-a-cop.

 

While interesting this has nothing to do with the discussion of lawyer conflict of interstate. 
 

So I say good day to you sir. 

Just now, conVINCEd said:

Do you know that you are allowed to buy more than one bottle of wine?

Yeah but I also have a wife. So no go. 

Just now, JimmyJames said:

Yeah but I also have a wife. So no go. 

I go big at the liquor store once every couple of weeks as opposed to going every couple of days.

2 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

I go big at the liquor store once every couple of weeks as opposed to going every couple of days.

My wife should’ve joined the CIA. Hell maybe she is. 

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The fundamental misunderstanding

 Is there really a fundamental misunderstanding though?

 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

In my business we call that a conflict of interest. 

Maybe doesn't apply to lawyers. 

 

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

You lawyers are a special fucking case, no doubt. 

 

22 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

A contingency fee means a lawyer may accept a client who otherwise might have no recourse....lawyer gets NO pay unless he gets something for the client. Lawyer works hard for no pay, bingo--wins, and both parties benefit. 

I understand what a contingency fee is, but thanks for explaining it anyways.  It also represents a fundamental conflict of interest.  This is not a hard concept. 

Whether the COI is acceptable in the broader weighing of interests or not is another matter, but let's just try to agree that it is a COI. At least as long as finding truth is one of the primary interests involved. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I understand what a contingency fee is, but thanks for explaining it anyways.  It also represents a fundamental conflict of interest.  This is not a hard concept. 

No, it's not hard. Where's the conflict??

lawyer takes a loser client, and loses, both parties lose = lesson learned. Either side of the equation reflects a lawyer representing the client's interests and the interests align. You're being weird here.

2 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

No, it's not hard. Where's the conflict??

lawyer takes a loser client, and loses, both parties lose = lesson learned. Either side of the equation reflects a lawyer representing the client's interests and the interests align. You're being weird here.

Again, it's clear to me that y'all lawyers have a totally different understanding of conflict of interest than the rest of us. 

32 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

I realize this is not the post for this page nor do any of you lawdogs give a shit about my opinion, but I will go on record as saying I think the prosecution scores an upset win  and Rittenhouse is convicted primarily on the basis of the drone video that illustrated KR's unreasonable self defense argument. I thought the prosecution's closing was strong and concise and made a compelling case for why the jury should return a guilty verdict, and if the narcissist Uncle Mike judge had allowed those previous Rittenhouse statements into evidence as he did the evidence about Rosenbaum's mental health history, it would have been a slam dunk "he's guilty-let's-eat-lunch" verdict.

I do not agree with the prevailing opinion in this thread that Rittenhouse will easily get off on the basis of self-defense because 1) he's running around with a goddamn AR 15 strapped to his body and 2) he held it in such a way that other witnesses felt he pointed his gun at them. The aggressor wasn't the guy with a plastic bag, the aggressor was the guy with the semi-automatic rifle playing rent-a-cop.

 

Aw, you’re a cute kid.  I hope you’re right. Prepare for disappointment. 

27 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

impartiality of the work conducted is potentially compromised

If you work for a for-profit corporation, the people who pay you have a paramount legal duty to maximize profits for shareholders. That's conflict with impartiality.

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I understand what a contingency fee is, but thanks for explaining it anyways.  It also represents a fundamental conflict of interest.  This is not a hard concept. 

 Australia, Brazil, Canada, the Dominican Republic, France, Greece, Ireland, Japan, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States disagree with your epiphany. 

1 hour ago, Gourmand said:

I realize this is not the post for this page nor do any of you lawdogs give a shit about my opinion, but I will go on record as saying I think the prosecution scores an upset win  and Rittenhouse is convicted primarily on the basis of the drone video that illustrated KR's unreasonable self defense argument. I thought the prosecution's closing was strong and concise and made a compelling case for why the jury should return a guilty verdict, and if the narcissist Uncle Mike judge had allowed those previous Rittenhouse statements into evidence as he did the evidence about Rosenbaum's mental health history, it would have been a slam dunk "he's guilty-let's-eat-lunch" verdict.

I do not agree with the prevailing opinion in this thread that Rittenhouse will easily get off on the basis of self-defense because 1) he's running around with a goddamn AR 15 strapped to his body and 2) he held it in such a way that other witnesses felt he pointed his gun at them. The aggressor wasn't the guy with a plastic bag, the aggressor was the guy with the semi-automatic rifle playing rent-a-cop.

 

3) he shot the first guy 4 times,  twice when he was on the ground already with a fractured pelvis.

Why does Johnny Sack keep blathering about 3-0? He missed the 4th guy at close range. Top 1% indeed. 

This kid murdered 2 people and the self defense nonsense is another maga fairy tale, but it seems like proper justice is rarely rendered. Unarmed vs a rifle.  You don't need to know shit about fuck about the case to know it's bullshit.  

This shouldn't even be a story but maga always needs to deify a piece of shit. 

 

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Just now, washparkhorn said:

If you work for a for-profit corporation, the people who pay you have a paramount legal duty to maximize profits for shareholders. That's conflict with impartiality.

Yes, of course it is.  And why such employment would have to be disclosed as a conflict of interest.  

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

 Australia, Brazil, Canada, the Dominican Republic, France, Greece, Ireland, Japan, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States disagree with your epiphany. 

LOL. 

13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

And why such employment would have to be disclosed as a conflict of interest.  

If you were a lawyer with a genuine conflict of interest like yours, simple disclosure would not be enough. The attorney would be unable to represent the client (or would need to withdraw from representation). 

Edited by washparkhorn
I am bored with the derail. Good luck.

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The fundamental misunderstanding here is that the legal profession requires zealous advocacy of a client's interests.  If the client's interest in financial recovery aligns with the lawyer's, so much the better.

Lawyers, representing clients, are not impartial.  They do not do impartial work.  Quite the opposite.  Lawyer are not generally engaged in serving the public interest.  However, by representing their clients in an adversarial system, it is believed that the public interest is served.

There are other circumstances where a lawyer is not permitted to acquire an interest in the subject matter of the representation.

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5 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

While interesting this has nothing to do with the discussion of lawyer conflict of interstate. 

Great, now I have to brush up on highway law to keep up with this thread.

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Great, now I have to brush up on highway law to keep up with this thread.

If you're in the left lane going the speed limit, you lose your rights to protection to whatever happens to you.

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