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  • Horrible situation that night. He will be acquitted. The dumbest guy in all this was the one who brought a skateboard to a gun fight. The definition of FAFO

  • Shots had already been fired at the point of the skateboard guy getting involved. So yeah it reached the level of gun fight at the point he got involved. Not sure what you don’t understand about that.

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    I just want to add that I'm not here to pillory Kyle Rittenhouse. He is a fucking child. A child. I had an extensive conversation about this with a good friend of mine who is a juvenile defender by pr

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#2102
8 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

criminal does not equal civil.

jesus, man. 

wtf.

Whether criminal or civil, is the following not generally applicable in terms of the potential ethical implications? 

 

14 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Lawyer jokes aside---it would compromise the ethical approach a prosecutor would take/not take to a particular case.  

If a potential financial conflict of interest is incompatible with the concept of justice, seems like we could generalize that incompatibility whether the setting is civil or criminal. 

#2104
57 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Does the state ever hire prosecutors based on a contingency fee arrangement?

Ethical rules bar contingency fee arrangements in criminal matters.

Edited by washparkhorn

#2105
13 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

One time after closing the jury had a question 30 minutes later and I went and got a colleague I had tried the case with and told him we needed to get back in the courtroom ASAP. I later felt bad about it because I neglected to tell him it was just a question, not the verdict. He thought it was the actual verdict which as the plaintiff in a complicated death case would have meant we lost for sure.

The point is there is nothing more stressful for a lawyer than waiting on a jury verdict. Nothing. Not even the trial itself. Because you’re totally out of control of it. Nothing.

Sounds like marriage.

#2106
4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Whether criminal or civil, is the following not generally applicable in terms of the potential ethical implications? 

 

If a potential financial conflict of interest is incompatible with the concept of justice, seems like we could generalize that incompatibility whether the setting is civil or criminal. 

you have to be trolling. i really don't get it. 

#2107

Judge on the bench: NBC/MSNBC had a reporter follow the sealed bus carrying the jurors. Judge makes a brief statement and back to waiting on the jury.

#2108
Just now, washparkhorn said:

Judge on the bench: NBC/MSNBC had a reporter follow the sealed bus carrying the jurors. Judge makes a brief statement and back to waiting on the jury.

that reporter should be charged... with something. i dunno what, but jury anonymity is sacrosanct. 

#2110
6 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

On the lighter side

 

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yes! i literally have an "IPA face" hahaha 😄

#2111
5 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

On the lighter side

 

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He was obviously just practicing for his Supreme Court confirmation hearing. 
 

On a much darker side a couple dipshits on Facebook who I’ve unfriended showed up in a post by a guy I haven’t talking about how this idiot and sandmann should both run for Congress.

#2112
2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

He was obviously just practicing for his Supreme Court confirmation hearing. 
 

On a much darker side a couple dipshits on Facebook who I’ve unfriended showed up in a post by a guy I haven’t talking about how this idiot and sandmann should both run for Congress.

they’d fit right in. 

#2113
11 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

you have to be trolling. i really don't get it. 

Seriously. Maybe he's on vacation and posting from his beach chair after a three margarita breakfast? The questions make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

#2114

MSNBC banned from courthouse for the duration of the reminder of the trial. 

 

#2115
24 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

On the lighter side

 

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How lovers of Natty Light respond when trying an IPA. 

#2117
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Bus-following precedent has already been set.  Nothing to see here.

Democrats cancel Texas event after Trump supporters surround, follow Biden  bus | WFLA

Not even remotely the same. In any way, shape, or form. 

#2118
2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Bus-following precedent has already been set.  Nothing to see here.

Democrats cancel Texas event after Trump supporters surround, follow Biden  bus | WFLA

yeah no.

juries should be sacrosanct. 

#2119
2 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

Not even remotely the same. In any way, shape, or form. 

 

You are right. None of the assholes in Jimmy's pic faced any consequences.

 

Edited by High Plains Drifter

#2120
5 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

yeah no.

juries should be sacrosanct. 

You didn't seriously think my post was . . . serious?

#2121
Just now, jimmyjazz said:

You didn't seriously think my post was . . . serious?

honestly, i really don't know any longer. 

i'm trying ringo.

i'm trying real hard to be the shepherd. 

#2123
Just now, wildcat09 said:

We’re gonna find out a week from now that it was some Breitbart or Veritas tool.

False flag!  False flag!

#2124
2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

We’re gonna find out a week from now that it was some Breitbart or Veritas tool.

The FBI is already up their nuts for a diary.

#2125
2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

We’re gonna find out a week from now that it was some Breitbart or Veritas tool.

You misspelled “Soros Antifa.”

#2126
1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

The FBI is already up their nuts for a diary.

You misspelled “burglary.”

#2127
Just now, wildcat09 said:

You misspelled “burglary.”

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“We took steps to corroborate the authenticity of the diary. At the end of the day, we made the ethical decision that because, in part, we could not determine if the diary was real, if the diary in fact belonged to Ashley Biden, or if the contents of the diary occurred, we could not publish the diary and any part thereof,” O’Keefe said.

O’Keefe claimed Project Veritas tried to return the diary to a lawyer for Ashley Biden but that the attorney refused to authenticate it, and then that they gave the diary to an unspecified law enforcement agency “to ensure it could be returned to its rightful owner.”

“We never published it,” he added.

O’Keefe’s statement, however, did not address the other right-wing website’s claims that someone from Project Veritas had provided them a digital copy of the diary.

At the time, most media outlets, including conservative ones, did not cover the publication of the digital images from the diary. Throughout the presidential campaign, President Donald Trump and his allies were far more fixated on attacking Hunter Biden, Ashley Biden’s half brother. Separately, Hunter Biden confirmed last December that his taxes are under federal investigation.

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O’Keefe on Friday said that FBI agents had seized notebooks belonging to Project Veritas associates and that the FBI had requested he not speak about a grand jury subpoena the group had received. He also stated the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York was involved in the raids. A representative for that office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.

O’Keefe also tried to suggest there was something amiss with the timing of the Times’s story Friday. Project Veritas is currently suing the Times, alleging defamation for a previous story.

“Within an hour of one of our reporters’ homes being secretly raided by the FBI, the New York Times, who we are currently suing for defamation, contacted the Project Veritas reporter to ask for comment,” O’Keefe said. “We do not know how the New York Times was aware of the execution of a search warrant at our reporter’s home, or the subject matter of the search warrant, as a grant jury investigation is secret.”

He lashed out at the Justice Department for claiming the diary was stolen and investigating the matter, saying it “smacks of politics.” According to the Times, the probe was opened under the jurisdiction of Trump’s Justice Department, led by then-Attorney General William P. Barr, after federal authorities received a report that Ashley Biden had been burglarized.

Looks like he tried to give it back, but no one wanted it.

#2130
2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

This thread's got me thinking about some Electric Jellyfish or Rodeo Clown.

I miss those days when the local Goody Goody had the Karbach 12-packs of four great IPAs, including Rodeo Clown.

Edited by Harrison Bergeron

#2131

Maybe I'm off base here (not a lawyer), but I find it telling that in both trials happening right now regarding right wing nutjobs shooting people, the defense has asked for a mistrial.  To me that means they know they are wrong and are trying to get out on a technicality because it is so obvious they are guilty.

It feels like the equivalent of yelling "IT'S NOT FAIR!" when they realize they are probably going down.

#2135
7 minutes ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

Hey now ... let's don't get crazy up in here.

dude, LoveStreet is just bud light with lipstick now

#2136

Let's tie all this together by crafting a Robert Duvall inspired beer called Lonesome Love. It's bipartisan in that one can either toast with it or cry in it, depending.

#2137
7 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Let's tie all this together by crafting a Robert Duvall inspired beer called Lonesome Love. It's bipartisan in that one can either toast with it or cry in it, depending.

And you only pay for it if you get drunk, sorta like a contingency 

#2138
17 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Let's tie all this together by crafting a Robert Duvall inspired beer called Lonesome Love. It's bipartisan in that one can either toast with it or cry in it, depending.

Gimme three Gusses then, and the first two don't count.

#2139
15 minutes ago, Homercles said:

And you only pay for it if you get drunk, sorta like a contingency 

Totally a conflict of interest, though.

#2140
1 hour ago, Captainant said:

dude, LoveStreet is just bud light with lipstick now

Fair enough. Honestly never had it ... I stick to the IPAs. Probably art of suggestion, but to @elfenix point - Hoppadillo seems to have lost a step.

#2141
6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Totally a conflict of interest, though.

Hmmm, so if it's made it low alcohol so you can drink more for free but since everyone knows how you all drink then it needs to be brewed with a high percentage so it makes money before it's depleted, I think you're correct. Total conflict of interest.

#2142
11 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Totally a conflict of interest, though.

We may need a ruling from the bar association. 

#2143
3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

The only imaginable contingency arrangement for prosecutors would be "you get your salary if you win, and nothing if you lose", which is obviously a complete non-starter.  

Well, unless the prosecutor is Ricky Williams.

 

 

That would be a conflict of interest.  It is not the job of the prosecutor to win the case.  It is their job to see that justice is done.

#2144
10 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

That would be a conflict of interest.  It is not the job of the prosecutor to win the case.  It is their job to see that justice is done.

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#2145
1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Maybe I'm off base here (not a lawyer), but I find it telling that in both trials happening right now regarding right wing nutjobs shooting people, the defense has asked for a mistrial.  To me that means they know they are wrong and are trying to get out on a technicality because it is so obvious they are guilty.

It feels like the equivalent of yelling "IT'S NOT FAIR! FRAUD" when they realize they are probably going down.

FIFY

#2146
1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

That would be a conflict of interest.  It is not the job of the prosecutor to win the case.  It is their job to see that justice is done.

It is the job of the prosecution to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. 

#2147
6 minutes ago, Gidnik said:

It is the job of the prosecution to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. 

I actually have to agree with Sack here, begrudgingly so.  Prosecutors take an oath that other lawyers do not.  They are sworn to uphold that oath and "to see that justice is done."

Having done that job for a decade and now being on the other side, I do know that "justice" is not always defined by everyone the same way...but the system is set up so that a prosecutor is not supposed to seek a conviction on every case and at all costs.  Proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt is the job if that's what they believe justice demands, but dismissing the case or reducing it to a lesser charge is also the job if that's what they believe best serves the interest of justice on any given case.

#2148
1 hour ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

Fair enough. Honestly never had it ... I stick to the IPAs. Probably art of suggestion, but to @elfenix point - Hoppadillo seems to have lost a step.

Could be your tolerance has increased. Drink more to see if that's the case.

#2149
10 minutes ago, Frank The Tank said:

They are sworn to uphold that oath and "to see that justice is done."

Might be a good idea to have all lawyers swear a similar oath. 

#2150
1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Might be a good idea to have all lawyers swear a similar oath. 

Remind us, what oath did you swear when you began your career?

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